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West Georgia (based on Matt Brown's reporting) is my guess.

My apologies. Realize there are a number of deserving Div II teams as Bently to move up, but do have a question.

Does the NCAA allow Community and Junior Colleges to be Div II and shouldn't they be allowed. There seems to be a government push towards community colleges versus the 4 year colleges.

(07-15-2023 06:19 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Oddly don't see the names mentioned on the MAC board of Delaware and Eastern Kentucky. One of them maybe possible and wishing it to be Delaware as their rivals in FCS is down to William & Mary and Richmond. No James Madison, Old Dominion, even from long ago Temple. While the AAC is their best fit, they seldom take a call up directly. Regarding both teams the Sunbelt is full with 14 teams and CUSA is looking more to the West.

Where South Dakota State, north Dakota, South Dakota, seems like a narrow list mid-major. Ya, want to take hoops when football practice for some starts in 10 days and the season in 6 weeks for Week 0. :non

This is Division 1, not FBS, callups the thread is referring to.

(07-15-2023 06:26 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(07-15-2023 06:19 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Oddly don't see the names mentioned on the MAC board of Delaware and Eastern Kentucky. One of them maybe possible and wishing it to be Delaware as their rivals in FCS is down to William & Mary and Richmond. No James Madison, Old Dominion, even from long ago Temple. While the AAC is their best fit, they seldom take a call up directly. Regarding both teams the Sunbelt is full with 14 teams and CUSA is looking more to the West.

Where South Dakota State, north Dakota, South Dakota, seems like a narrow list mid-major. Ya, want to talk hoops when football practice for some starts in 10 days and the season in 6 weeks for Week 0. :non

This is Division 1, not FBS, callups the thread is referring to.

OK then where is the AnyGivenSaturday FCS crowd. They are Div 1.


Whoops, forgot this is a race to over 400 Div 1 hoops team.

A little of this is just having a little bit of fun. It's all fine :wink:

Changed the quoted original post with an apology and question.

(07-15-2023 05:30 PM)woollymammoth41 Wrote:  nova southeastern

Gun to my head, this would be my answer right now.

I can think of about a dozen or so schools that are talking about it, making preparations for it... or very realistically *could* in the near future...but this would be a very neat match of interested conference, existing funding/faculties, administrative want-to, and more.

(07-15-2023 06:42 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  

(07-15-2023 05:30 PM)woollymammoth41 Wrote:  nova southeastern

Gun to my head, this would be my answer right now.

I can think of about a dozen or so schools that are, or very realistically *could* in the near future...but this would be a very neat match of interested conference, existing funding/faculties, administrative want-to, and more.

Who is most likely to dropout? Presbyterian?

Here is another question or thing..how many new conferences will have to be formed? I don't think each conference is gonna sit with 16 or 18 atleast not the small conferences

(07-15-2023 06:49 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(07-15-2023 06:42 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  

(07-15-2023 05:30 PM)woollymammoth41 Wrote:  nova southeastern

Gun to my head, this would be my answer right now.

I can think of about a dozen or so schools that are, or very realistically *could* in the near future...but this would be a very neat match of interested conference, existing funding/faculties, administrative want-to, and more.

Who is most likely to dropout? Presbyterian?

I don't know of any school that is actively considering it right now, but if I had to make a top 10 list...I don't think they'd be #1, but I'd put them on the list.

Pullham University

(07-15-2023 09:48 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  

(07-15-2023 06:49 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  

(07-15-2023 06:42 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  

(07-15-2023 05:30 PM)woollymammoth41 Wrote:  nova southeastern

Gun to my head, this would be my answer right now.

I can think of about a dozen or so schools that are, or very realistically *could* in the near future...but this would be a very neat match of interested conference, existing funding/faculties, administrative want-to, and more.

Who is most likely to dropout? Presbyterian?

I don't know of any school that is actively considering it right now, but if I had to make a top 10 list...I don't think they'd be #1, but I'd put them on the list.

Who would you put #1?

I expect West Florida to be the next to get the call as Bellarmine is wrapping up their transition. I expect West Georgia and Valdosta State to eventually fall in line once Queens completes their transition, and likely exits for the Big South.

I don't expect UIndy to get an invite to the OVC before 2026, as both Lindenwood and Southern Indiana joined in 2022.

Presbyterian should go back down to D2 be with their rival Newberry. Moving football to non scholarship seemed like a last ditch effort to try and make Division 1 work.

keep an eye on Central Washington and Western Oregon. If several of the Big Sky gets called up? They could be called up, and their football could be saved in the Big Sky Conference. I could see Southern Utah and Colorado Mesa be added to Big Sky as well.

(07-15-2023 06:42 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  Gun to my head, this would be my answer right now.

I can think of about a dozen or so schools that are talking about it, making preparations for it... or very realistically *could* in the near future...but this would be a very neat match of interested conference, existing funding/faculties, administrative want-to, and more.

Really? That's interesting. I would still think they want to wait a few more years and maybe win a few more titles in Division 2 before moving up. I know their enrollment is around 25k now and looks to continue to be growing and they have a ready made conference for them to step into in the Atlantic Sun.

(07-16-2023 08:14 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  keep an eye on Central Washington and Western Oregon. If several of the Big Sky gets called up? They could be called up, and their football could be saved in the Big Sky Conference. I could see Southern Utah and Colorado Mesa be added to Big Sky as well.

The Big Sky seems pretty stable at the moment but if they were to lose some members or even expand Central Washington would make a lot of sense. Southern Utah left the Big Sky for the WAC only a year ago. A lot of Big Sky higher-ups were happy to see them go. Don't see them coming back.

(07-15-2023 10:53 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Who would you put #1?

I'm not reporting anything here...just making an educated guess...but I think I'd probably put Eastern Shore right up there.

(07-16-2023 08:14 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  keep an eye on Central Washington and Western Oregon. If several of the Big Sky gets called up? They could be called up, and their football could be saved in the Big Sky Conference. I could see Southern Utah and Colorado Mesa be added to Big Sky as well.

The thing that folks need to realize is that *very few* conferences are interested in taking recassifying schools. The Big Sky would be one of those conferences. If they ever needed to expand, I can guarantee they'd have current D1 interest. Their presidents are not going to accept a DII institution.

(07-16-2023 09:48 AM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  

(07-15-2023 10:53 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Who would you put #1?

I'm not reporting anything here...just making an educated guess...but I think I'd probably put Eastern Shore right up there.

(07-16-2023 08:14 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  keep an eye on Central Washington and Western Oregon. If several of the Big Sky gets called up? They could be called up, and their football could be saved in the Big Sky Conference. I could see Southern Utah and Colorado Mesa be added to Big Sky as well.

The thing that folks need to realize is that *very few* conferences are interested in taking recassifying schools. The Big Sky would be one of those conferences. If they ever needed to expand, I can guarantee they'd have current D1 interest. Their presidents are not going to accept a DII institution.

If MWC had to go that route if they see Montana, Montana State, Weber State, Northern Arizona, Sacramento State and Idaho joining the North Dakota State and South Dakota State into the MWC? That would replace departing MWC schools which Central Washington and Western Oregon would make sense to help Eastern Washington and Portland State out. Which football school out west that would join the Big Sky? There is not really anybody to get out west unless more west coast schools start to offering football.

I can't see Eastern Washington, Weber State, or Northern Arizona moving up to FBS. EWU doesn't have the finances, WSU is too close to BYU and Utah, and NAU would need a completely new stadium.

If the MWC has to go fish from FCS, I would expect they take some combination of Cal Poly, UC Davis, and Sacramento State if not all three. Montana, Montana State, Idaho, and the Dakotas would be next. If not all of the aforementioned are able to move, then the MWC starts taking WAC FCS schools. This is of course would be after any current FBS schools are interested in joining, which will likely be only UTEP and NMSU.

I don't see the Big Sky being pushed below 6 FCS schools, but if they need members in any capacity, they will take some combination of Southern Utah, Utah Tech, Cal Baptist, and Seattle from the WAC (Grand Canyon and Utah Valley are absolute last resorts). Denver might even be available if the Summit is falling apart, although Denver doesn't want to be in a conference with most of the current WAC membership.

If by some chance the Big Sky has to pull from Division II, Central Washington is likely the only football playing school that makes sense, but the Big Sky would need them to add golf and/or tennis for both men and women, as CWU only has 13 varsity teams, 2 of which are men's and women's rugby. Western Washington would probably be the next most logical, especially if they replace men's soccer with football. Western Oregon would be one of the smallest public schools in Division I, and it would likely not be viable for them to upgrade.

CWU does have a club team for golf and tennis that they could turned to varsity teams.

(07-16-2023 05:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  CWU does have a club team for golf and tennis that they could turned to varsity teams.

A nice thought, but it generally doesn't work that way in the real world. There will be a lot of transfers from existing Division I and Division II programs and even junior colleges that will likely be better options from a competitive standpoint.