(06-20-2023 06:39 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 06:24 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 03:48 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 03:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 10:08 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  Personally as a hillbilly, I do. My university was founded when the state gave a few thousand dollars to a couple of fellow hillbillies and told them to go to the "lost province" of North Carolina and educate its ignorant hicks. Every program and $ its gotten has come from the tireless advocation of our community.

Similarly, our football program was started before there was even a paved road into the mountain. Our program is funded by teachers, nurses, accountants etc, not oil barons or fortune 50 ceos.

I take severe umbrage when somebody thats from a university thats 75% school welfare, has never sold out a 30k stadium and never even been ranked in the AP poll looks down their nose at the sunbelt, when their only real advantage is the amount of people that live in close proximity to their campus that obviously could care less about them. Edit to add: Its even more insulting when the fan of the school looking down their nose at the Sunbelt is LITERALLY one of the reasons the sun belt had such a terrible reputation to begin with.

The first two paragraphs are irrelevant. I guess you felt the need to give some background to your school and their hardships. But again, that information is irrelevant to me.

The last paragraph, I take issue with. It's flawed. First, you are mistaking my indifference for dislike. I have no dislike for App State or the Sun Belt. I honestly don't care one way or the other about about App State. We have never shared and conference, and probably never will. We are very different institutions with very different goals. And for your information UNT has been ranked before, and we won the first 4 Sun Belt titles, 20 years ago (2001, 2002, 2003, & 2004). Those titles are ancient history and have nothing to do with what we are doing now, or where we are planning to go in the future. Second, I don't look down my nose at the Sun Belt. As I stated in a previous post, "the Belt gave us a home when we needed one". But, UNT left the Sun Belt over a decade ago. We just don't care about what the Sun Belt is doing anymore. UNT has moved on. The Belt hasn't been our home for a very long time. You guys need to let it go and move on too. I guess if you need us to be the Sun Belt's boogie man, that's fine. I really don't care.

Joe- you had an all time ~.333 record in the sunbelt. Even in your championship years you couldn't beat a wet paper bag OOC (which contributes to you know, a bad perception). You've never been ranked in the AP poll, or if you have i couldn't find anything in a quick google search so maybe it was before computers existed.

I too have no problem with UNT, i've never personally met anyone that has gone there or is a fan. I try to spend as much time as possible not being in Texas as it is. You spend a lot of time downtalking the Sunbelt, which you are supposedly indifferent too.

The truth is UNT didn't do anything in the sunbelt, didn't do anything in CUSA, and i'm not sure why you're expecting UNT to do anything in the AAC. You simply have a lot of people that live close to your campus and a school thats willing to provide ample amounts of welfare to continue to put out inferior products.

UNT won 4 of the 12 SBC titles while a member of the conference. There's a .333 record for you. You have a bad opinion of UNT, but with the people that matter, UNT has a very good reputation. Including your commissioner, who called UNT during the last round of realignment to see if we would return. That's one of the reasons why UNT keeps getting invited to better conferences. And, UNT has been ranked in the AP's Top 20 on two different occasions. You can look up the information. It's out there.

When I speak about the Belt, it is almost always a result of some random Belt fan venturing onto our board and thumping their chest. I will continue to call out random propaganda when Belt fans show up and spew it on our board. I also comment on data, like I did in this case. The data presented seemed odd, and I made a comment about that. You could have simply informed me of the variations in how each conference collects, distributes, and reports their finances, but you chose to be condescending.

Since you openly admit that you don't spend time in Texas, you obviously have no actual knowledge of UNT. That's fine. But despite your opinion of our "reputation", we will continue to build and grow UNT.

I have a question Joe from a UNT perspective that’s completely irrelevant to the conversation above.

Why does UNT seem to dislike TXST so much? Going by what Karl Benson has said and what I’ve heard from others.

UNT doesn't dislike Texas State. There are actually several UNT fans that really like Texas State. UNT and Texas State have a home & home series scheduled for 2026 & 2030.

I personally don't dislike Texas State, but the perceived dislike is probably mostly my fault. When Texas State and UTSA were set to move up in the WAC, I posted regularly on the WAC board, and openly expressed my desire to not see either added. Then realignment hit, and both were set to enter the Sun Belt (since UNT was leaving for C-USA 3.0), and I again expressed my displeasure at both Texas State's & UTSA's invitations. (The original UTSA fans remember my old WAC board posts. And, those early clashes with UTSA's fans basically grew into the open hatred between our schools which is now one of the ugliest rivalries in Texas... I take a little pride in that. And I will admit, I was probably a little too derogatory in those scrapes with UTSA's fans. But in hindsight, I think it's good for both of our programs).

My only problem with Texas State was that they were set on moving into the FBS. Just like I'm sure there are Texas State fans that don't want SHSU moving up, or Tarleton & SFA possibly moving up. Texas is crowded with FBS programs. But to be honest, now that UNT is in the AAC, I'm kind of indifferent to other G5 conferences adding more FCS programs in Texas. I hope that answers your question. And, best of luck with your upcoming season. Texas State too. I hope they get to play for the SB title this year.

(06-20-2023 06:49 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  hey side show
i live in texas now, im coming up for the game
your playing with the big boys now with sun belt qb, my god
your D gonna step up, dont look like brought in much help
6-0 start maybe, promblem is last yr run was not exactly murder's row

Glad you made it to Texas. And, I hope you enjoy our gameday experience....



But not the score.

I’m gonna hold my tongue cause I’m never sure if I’m talking to Joe or his wife anymore. She commandeered his account at some point and I’m not entirely comfortable fighting a woman. Although I do suspect in retrospect that all the best barbs were from Mrs. Sideshow so this is probably the real Joe.

I have nothing to add to this conversation except to say…a previous poster said they know nothing of UNT…fun fact…UNT used to have a great music program. That is all…carry on.

(06-20-2023 07:35 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 06:39 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 06:24 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 03:48 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 03:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  The first two paragraphs are irrelevant. I guess you felt the need to give some background to your school and their hardships. But again, that information is irrelevant to me.

The last paragraph, I take issue with. It's flawed. First, you are mistaking my indifference for dislike. I have no dislike for App State or the Sun Belt. I honestly don't care one way or the other about about App State. We have never shared and conference, and probably never will. We are very different institutions with very different goals. And for your information UNT has been ranked before, and we won the first 4 Sun Belt titles, 20 years ago (2001, 2002, 2003, & 2004). Those titles are ancient history and have nothing to do with what we are doing now, or where we are planning to go in the future. Second, I don't look down my nose at the Sun Belt. As I stated in a previous post, "the Belt gave us a home when we needed one". But, UNT left the Sun Belt over a decade ago. We just don't care about what the Sun Belt is doing anymore. UNT has moved on. The Belt hasn't been our home for a very long time. You guys need to let it go and move on too. I guess if you need us to be the Sun Belt's boogie man, that's fine. I really don't care.

Joe- you had an all time ~.333 record in the sunbelt. Even in your championship years you couldn't beat a wet paper bag OOC (which contributes to you know, a bad perception). You've never been ranked in the AP poll, or if you have i couldn't find anything in a quick google search so maybe it was before computers existed.

I too have no problem with UNT, i've never personally met anyone that has gone there or is a fan. I try to spend as much time as possible not being in Texas as it is. You spend a lot of time downtalking the Sunbelt, which you are supposedly indifferent too.

The truth is UNT didn't do anything in the sunbelt, didn't do anything in CUSA, and i'm not sure why you're expecting UNT to do anything in the AAC. You simply have a lot of people that live close to your campus and a school thats willing to provide ample amounts of welfare to continue to put out inferior products.

UNT won 4 of the 12 SBC titles while a member of the conference. There's a .333 record for you. You have a bad opinion of UNT, but with the people that matter, UNT has a very good reputation. Including your commissioner, who called UNT during the last round of realignment to see if we would return. That's one of the reasons why UNT keeps getting invited to better conferences. And, UNT has been ranked in the AP's Top 20 on two different occasions. You can look up the information. It's out there.

When I speak about the Belt, it is almost always a result of some random Belt fan venturing onto our board and thumping their chest. I will continue to call out random propaganda when Belt fans show up and spew it on our board. I also comment on data, like I did in this case. The data presented seemed odd, and I made a comment about that. You could have simply informed me of the variations in how each conference collects, distributes, and reports their finances, but you chose to be condescending.

Since you openly admit that you don't spend time in Texas, you obviously have no actual knowledge of UNT. That's fine. But despite your opinion of our "reputation", we will continue to build and grow UNT.

I have a question Joe from a UNT perspective that’s completely irrelevant to the conversation above.

Why does UNT seem to dislike TXST so much? Going by what Karl Benson has said and what I’ve heard from others.

UNT doesn't dislike Texas State. There are actually several UNT fans that really like Texas State. UNT and Texas State have a home & home series scheduled for 2026 & 2030.

I personally don't dislike Texas State, but the perceived dislike is probably mostly my fault. When Texas State and UTSA were set to move up in the WAC, I posted regularly on the WAC board, and openly expressed my desire to not see either added. Then realignment hit, and both were set to enter the Sun Belt (since UNT was leaving for C-USA 3.0), and I again expressed my displeasure at both Texas State's & UTSA's invitations. (The original UTSA fans remember my old WAC board posts. And, those early clashes with UTSA's fans basically grew into the open hatred between our schools which is now one of the ugliest rivalries in Texas... I take a little pride in that. And I will admit, I was probably a little too derogatory in those scrapes with UTSA's fans. But in hindsight, I think it's good for both of our programs).

My only problem with Texas State was that they were set on moving into the FBS. Just like I'm sure there are Texas State fans that don't want SHSU moving up, or Tarleton & SFA possibly moving up. Texas is crowded with FBS programs. But to be honest, now that UNT is in the AAC, I'm kind of indifferent to other G5 conferences adding more FCS programs in Texas. I hope that answers your question. And, best of luck with your upcoming season. Texas State too. I hope they get to play for the SB title this year.

Thanks for the clarification! That makes sense. Good luck to UNT!

AAC Distributions according to the Orlando Sentinel, which ranged from just under 8M to a little over 11M for full time members:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/05/...-from-aac/

The conference distributed $93.83 million of revenue to its 12 members with Cincinnati leading the way with $11.32 million, followed by Memphis ($8.97 million), UCF ($8.88 million), East Carolina ($8.29 million), Houston ($8.28 million), SMU ($8.28 million), Tulsa ($8.25 million), Temple ($7.74 million), Tulane ($7.63 million), South Florida ($7.71 million) and Navy ($6.26 million).

Wichita State, which joined the conference in 2017 as a full member in all sports except football, received an annual payout of $2.17 million.

(06-20-2023 06:24 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 03:48 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 03:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 10:08 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 09:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  Sun Belt fans on this board seem to walk around with a giant chip on their shoulder as the Temple fan noted.

Personally as a hillbilly, I do. My university was founded when the state gave a few thousand dollars to a couple of fellow hillbillies and told them to go to the "lost province" of North Carolina and educate its ignorant hicks. Every program and $ its gotten has come from the tireless advocation of our community.

Similarly, our football program was started before there was even a paved road into the mountain. Our program is funded by teachers, nurses, accountants etc, not oil barons or fortune 50 ceos.

I take severe umbrage when somebody thats from a university thats 75% school welfare, has never sold out a 30k stadium and never even been ranked in the AP poll looks down their nose at the sunbelt, when their only real advantage is the amount of people that live in close proximity to their campus that obviously could care less about them. Edit to add: Its even more insulting when the fan of the school looking down their nose at the Sunbelt is LITERALLY one of the reasons the sun belt had such a terrible reputation to begin with.

The first two paragraphs are irrelevant. I guess you felt the need to give some background to your school and their hardships. But again, that information is irrelevant to me.

The last paragraph, I take issue with. It's flawed. First, you are mistaking my indifference for dislike. I have no dislike for App State or the Sun Belt. I honestly don't care one way or the other about about App State. We have never shared and conference, and probably never will. We are very different institutions with very different goals. And for your information UNT has been ranked before, and we won the first 4 Sun Belt titles, 20 years ago (2001, 2002, 2003, & 2004). Those titles are ancient history and have nothing to do with what we are doing now, or where we are planning to go in the future. Second, I don't look down my nose at the Sun Belt. As I stated in a previous post, "the Belt gave us a home when we needed one". But, UNT left the Sun Belt over a decade ago. We just don't care about what the Sun Belt is doing anymore. UNT has moved on. The Belt hasn't been our home for a very long time. You guys need to let it go and move on too. I guess if you need us to be the Sun Belt's boogie man, that's fine. I really don't care.

Joe- you had an all time ~.333 record in the sunbelt. Even in your championship years you couldn't beat a wet paper bag OOC (which contributes to you know, a bad perception). You've never been ranked in the AP poll, or if you have i couldn't find anything in a quick google search so maybe it was before computers existed.

I too have no problem with UNT, i've never personally met anyone that has gone there or is a fan. I try to spend as much time as possible not being in Texas as it is. You spend a lot of time downtalking the Sunbelt, which you are supposedly indifferent too.

The truth is UNT didn't do anything in the sunbelt, didn't do anything in CUSA, and i'm not sure why you're expecting UNT to do anything in the AAC. You simply have a lot of people that live close to your campus and a school thats willing to provide ample amounts of welfare to continue to put out inferior products.

UNT won 4 of the 12 SBC titles while a member of the conference. There's a .333 record for you. You have a bad opinion of UNT, but with the people that matter, UNT has a very good reputation. Including your commissioner, who called UNT during the last round of realignment to see if we would return. That's one of the reasons why UNT keeps getting invited to better conferences. And, UNT has been ranked in the AP's Top 20 on two different occasions. You can look up the information. It's out there.

When I speak about the Belt, it is almost always a result of some random Belt fan venturing onto our board and thumping their chest. I will continue to call out random propaganda when Belt fans show up and spew it on our board. I also comment on data, like I did in this case. The data presented seemed odd, and I made a comment about that. You could have simply informed me of the variations in how each conference collects, distributes, and reports their finances, but you chose to be condescending.

Since you openly admit that you don't spend time in Texas, you obviously have no actual knowledge of UNT. That's fine. But despite your opinion of our "reputation", we will continue to build and grow UNT.

Here is UNTs record the last 8 years in Sun Belt play:
Overall Conference SRS Polls
Rk Year Conf W L T Pct W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
11 2012 Sun Belt 4 8 0 .333 3 5 0 .375 -8.41 -1.24 Dan McCarney (4-8)
12 2011 Sun Belt 5 7 0 .417 4 4 0 .500 -9.94 -3.86 Dan McCarney (5-7)
13 2010 Sun Belt 3 9 0 .250 3 5 0 .375 -14.18 -7.34 Todd Dodge (1-6), Mike Canales (2-3)
14 2009 Sun Belt 2 10 0 .167 1 7 0 .125 -14.38 -5.97 Todd Dodge (2-10)
15 2008 Sun Belt 1 11 0 .083 0 7 0 .000 -22.21 -3.54 Todd Dodge (1-11)
16 2007 Sun Belt 2 10 0 .167 1 6 0 .143 -15.84 -3.67 Todd Dodge (2-10)
17 2006 Sun Belt 3 9 0 .250 2 5 0 .286 -16.06 -6.15 Darrell Dickey (3-9)
18 2005 Sun Belt 2 9 0 .182 2 5 0 .286 -18.23 -7.60 Darrell Dickey (2-9)


Under 3 wins a season for 8 years. UNT is not the "bogeyman" of the Sun Belt. We were all thrilled UNT was picked for the AAC, it made achieving the sun belts goals that much easier.

I'm glad that you are as happy about UNT being a plan C option for the Sun Belt as you are about being a plan C option for the American.

Lastly, for what its worth, I'm sorry your feelings are hurt. Next time you encounter data you don't know how to interpret, you can always ask before you make assumptions.

(06-20-2023 09:24 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  I have nothing to add to this conversation except to say…a previous poster said they know nothing of UNT…fun fact…UNT used to have a great music program. That is all…carry on.

We had a pretty good music school at Troy, and I remember FSU and North Texas as being the "big dogs" in the music world. UNT's One O'Clock Lab Band was fire.

(06-21-2023 07:48 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 06:24 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 03:48 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 03:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 10:08 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  Personally as a hillbilly, I do. My university was founded when the state gave a few thousand dollars to a couple of fellow hillbillies and told them to go to the "lost province" of North Carolina and educate its ignorant hicks. Every program and $ its gotten has come from the tireless advocation of our community.

Similarly, our football program was started before there was even a paved road into the mountain. Our program is funded by teachers, nurses, accountants etc, not oil barons or fortune 50 ceos.

I take severe umbrage when somebody thats from a university thats 75% school welfare, has never sold out a 30k stadium and never even been ranked in the AP poll looks down their nose at the sunbelt, when their only real advantage is the amount of people that live in close proximity to their campus that obviously could care less about them. Edit to add: Its even more insulting when the fan of the school looking down their nose at the Sunbelt is LITERALLY one of the reasons the sun belt had such a terrible reputation to begin with.

The first two paragraphs are irrelevant. I guess you felt the need to give some background to your school and their hardships. But again, that information is irrelevant to me.

The last paragraph, I take issue with. It's flawed. First, you are mistaking my indifference for dislike. I have no dislike for App State or the Sun Belt. I honestly don't care one way or the other about about App State. We have never shared and conference, and probably never will. We are very different institutions with very different goals. And for your information UNT has been ranked before, and we won the first 4 Sun Belt titles, 20 years ago (2001, 2002, 2003, & 2004). Those titles are ancient history and have nothing to do with what we are doing now, or where we are planning to go in the future. Second, I don't look down my nose at the Sun Belt. As I stated in a previous post, "the Belt gave us a home when we needed one". But, UNT left the Sun Belt over a decade ago. We just don't care about what the Sun Belt is doing anymore. UNT has moved on. The Belt hasn't been our home for a very long time. You guys need to let it go and move on too. I guess if you need us to be the Sun Belt's boogie man, that's fine. I really don't care.

Joe- you had an all time ~.333 record in the sunbelt. Even in your championship years you couldn't beat a wet paper bag OOC (which contributes to you know, a bad perception). You've never been ranked in the AP poll, or if you have i couldn't find anything in a quick google search so maybe it was before computers existed.

I too have no problem with UNT, i've never personally met anyone that has gone there or is a fan. I try to spend as much time as possible not being in Texas as it is. You spend a lot of time downtalking the Sunbelt, which you are supposedly indifferent too.

The truth is UNT didn't do anything in the sunbelt, didn't do anything in CUSA, and i'm not sure why you're expecting UNT to do anything in the AAC. You simply have a lot of people that live close to your campus and a school thats willing to provide ample amounts of welfare to continue to put out inferior products.

UNT won 4 of the 12 SBC titles while a member of the conference. There's a .333 record for you. You have a bad opinion of UNT, but with the people that matter, UNT has a very good reputation. Including your commissioner, who called UNT during the last round of realignment to see if we would return. That's one of the reasons why UNT keeps getting invited to better conferences. And, UNT has been ranked in the AP's Top 20 on two different occasions. You can look up the information. It's out there.

When I speak about the Belt, it is almost always a result of some random Belt fan venturing onto our board and thumping their chest. I will continue to call out random propaganda when Belt fans show up and spew it on our board. I also comment on data, like I did in this case. The data presented seemed odd, and I made a comment about that. You could have simply informed me of the variations in how each conference collects, distributes, and reports their finances, but you chose to be condescending.

Since you openly admit that you don't spend time in Texas, you obviously have no actual knowledge of UNT. That's fine. But despite your opinion of our "reputation", we will continue to build and grow UNT.

Here is UNTs record the last 8 years in Sun Belt play:
Overall Conference SRS Polls
Rk Year Conf W L T Pct W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Coach(es) Bowl Notes
11 2012 Sun Belt 4 8 0 .333 3 5 0 .375 -8.41 -1.24 Dan McCarney (4-8)
12 2011 Sun Belt 5 7 0 .417 4 4 0 .500 -9.94 -3.86 Dan McCarney (5-7)
13 2010 Sun Belt 3 9 0 .250 3 5 0 .375 -14.18 -7.34 Todd Dodge (1-6), Mike Canales (2-3)
14 2009 Sun Belt 2 10 0 .167 1 7 0 .125 -14.38 -5.97 Todd Dodge (2-10)
15 2008 Sun Belt 1 11 0 .083 0 7 0 .000 -22.21 -3.54 Todd Dodge (1-11)
16 2007 Sun Belt 2 10 0 .167 1 6 0 .143 -15.84 -3.67 Todd Dodge (2-10)
17 2006 Sun Belt 3 9 0 .250 2 5 0 .286 -16.06 -6.15 Darrell Dickey (3-9)
18 2005 Sun Belt 2 9 0 .182 2 5 0 .286 -18.23 -7.60 Darrell Dickey (2-9)


Under 3 wins a season for 8 years. UNT is not the "bogeyman" of the Sun Belt. We were all thrilled UNT was picked for the AAC, it made achieving the sun belts goals that much easier.

I'm glad that you are as happy about UNT being a plan C option for the Sun Belt as you are about being a plan C option for the American.

Lastly, for what its worth, I'm sorry your feelings are hurt. Next time you encounter data you don't know how to interpret, you can always ask before you make assumptions.

You're still on this topic. I had no idea you were so butt-hurt over this topic. You've got to get over your UNT obsession. It's just not healthy.

Sure, we had some down season. Every program has them. But, UNT still holds more SB titles than ULL, ULM, USA, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal, & Texas State.

I am very much enjoying the current direction of UNT's athletic department. We have an incredible schedule this season in the AAC (home games against...Temple, Memphis, UTSA, & UAB). Plus, we start the season by hosting Cal. I'm very happy with how far UNT has come. Our pro-growth approach is paying off.

(06-21-2023 12:19 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  AAC Distributions according to the Orlando Sentinel, which ranged from just under 8M to a little over 11M for full time members:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/05/...-from-aac/

The conference distributed $93.83 million of revenue to its 12 members with Cincinnati leading the way with $11.32 million, followed by Memphis ($8.97 million), UCF ($8.88 million), East Carolina ($8.29 million), Houston ($8.28 million), SMU ($8.28 million), Tulsa ($8.25 million), Temple ($7.74 million), Tulane ($7.63 million), South Florida ($7.71 million) and Navy ($6.26 million).

Wichita State, which joined the conference in 2017 as a full member in all sports except football, received an annual payout of $2.17 million.

Note - this information is for the 2021-2022 academic/athletic/fiscal year. The season following the one in OP, which is still the latest posted in propublica

Media rights revenue went from $52.16 million in COVID-affected 2020-21 to $65.24 million in 2021-22. The '21-'22 media money is back on trajectory for the original AAC Billion dollar deal with 5%, escalators over 12 years.

(06-19-2023 10:03 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 09:15 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 09:08 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 08:30 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 11:21 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  ??? Funny, it looks to me like the Sun Belt distributed the least amount of money to their members. If this is indicative of what the Sun Belt will distribute this year, Marshall will be taking about a $1million pay cut from what they earned in their final year in C-USA. That's gotta suck.

as always, it takes UNDERSTANDING of the nuances of conference membership to gauge how these #s stack up in an apples to apples comparison. Conferences are not held to a uniform reporting structure.

CUSA members total revenue /school $2.662MM

SBC football members total revenue/school (taking out bball only members @ $1MM each even though they weren't bringing that that in or costing that but just for comparative purposes.): $2.625MM

why the delta in distributions? Sun Belt batches some costs together and then distributes remainders and CUSA leaves those costs up to the schools.

Please ask any more questions on these matters where your understanding is lacking.

Marshall has a Fortune 500 accountant background CEO in charge now. I'm sure he has the ability to understand which conference provided the better long term deal for Marshall.

It doesn't take rocket science to understand if the SBC 990 reflects a 1M dollar TV deal when that deal kicks in at 2M and CUSA kicks in at 750-800K that the SBC will leap frog CUSA & MAC. You can see CUSA trying to help the mbrs staying in the league via the 2022 990.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofi...00220/full

CUSA 2022 Tax Record - 2021-22 Season


$17,472,357 ~ COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF REVENUE
$7,323,248 ~ TELEVISION AND MARKETING REVENUE (This is not new TV deal, that starts 1 July, 2023 for 2023-24 Fall sports season)
$3,260,008 ~ NCAA/NIT TOURNAMENT REVENUE

CUSA Distributions Before Teams Leave to new conf
$8,317,221 - MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE UNIVERSITY
$4,953,227 - WESTERN KENTUCKY UNIVERSITY
$4,559,922 - UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT EL PASO
$4,249,077 - FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY
$4,042,185 - LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
$1,311,454 - MARSHALL UNIVERSITY
$915,095 - UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM
$830,243 - OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY
$740,311 - UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT SAN ANTONIO
$637,179 - UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS
$482,476 - FLORIDA ATLANTIC UNIVERSITY
$418,930 - UNC CHARLOTTE
$422,482 - UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
$332,878 - RICE UNIVERSITY

Link
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofi...00220/full

Wonder why MT got about twice the amount of the others staying.

Probably got bribed not to go to the MAC.

If so, that was the best wool pulling ever, cause we didn't want to go anyway. BTW, you're welcome for doubling your distribution (and not locking you into the MAC for the next 20 years).

(06-20-2023 07:35 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 06:39 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 06:24 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 03:48 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 03:14 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  The first two paragraphs are irrelevant. I guess you felt the need to give some background to your school and their hardships. But again, that information is irrelevant to me.

The last paragraph, I take issue with. It's flawed. First, you are mistaking my indifference for dislike. I have no dislike for App State or the Sun Belt. I honestly don't care one way or the other about about App State. We have never shared and conference, and probably never will. We are very different institutions with very different goals. And for your information UNT has been ranked before, and we won the first 4 Sun Belt titles, 20 years ago (2001, 2002, 2003, & 2004). Those titles are ancient history and have nothing to do with what we are doing now, or where we are planning to go in the future. Second, I don't look down my nose at the Sun Belt. As I stated in a previous post, "the Belt gave us a home when we needed one". But, UNT left the Sun Belt over a decade ago. We just don't care about what the Sun Belt is doing anymore. UNT has moved on. The Belt hasn't been our home for a very long time. You guys need to let it go and move on too. I guess if you need us to be the Sun Belt's boogie man, that's fine. I really don't care.

Joe- you had an all time ~.333 record in the sunbelt. Even in your championship years you couldn't beat a wet paper bag OOC (which contributes to you know, a bad perception). You've never been ranked in the AP poll, or if you have i couldn't find anything in a quick google search so maybe it was before computers existed.

I too have no problem with UNT, i've never personally met anyone that has gone there or is a fan. I try to spend as much time as possible not being in Texas as it is. You spend a lot of time downtalking the Sunbelt, which you are supposedly indifferent too.

The truth is UNT didn't do anything in the sunbelt, didn't do anything in CUSA, and i'm not sure why you're expecting UNT to do anything in the AAC. You simply have a lot of people that live close to your campus and a school thats willing to provide ample amounts of welfare to continue to put out inferior products.

UNT won 4 of the 12 SBC titles while a member of the conference. There's a .333 record for you. You have a bad opinion of UNT, but with the people that matter, UNT has a very good reputation. Including your commissioner, who called UNT during the last round of realignment to see if we would return. That's one of the reasons why UNT keeps getting invited to better conferences. And, UNT has been ranked in the AP's Top 20 on two different occasions. You can look up the information. It's out there.

When I speak about the Belt, it is almost always a result of some random Belt fan venturing onto our board and thumping their chest. I will continue to call out random propaganda when Belt fans show up and spew it on our board. I also comment on data, like I did in this case. The data presented seemed odd, and I made a comment about that. You could have simply informed me of the variations in how each conference collects, distributes, and reports their finances, but you chose to be condescending.

Since you openly admit that you don't spend time in Texas, you obviously have no actual knowledge of UNT. That's fine. But despite your opinion of our "reputation", we will continue to build and grow UNT.

I have a question Joe from a UNT perspective that’s completely irrelevant to the conversation above.

Why does UNT seem to dislike TXST so much? Going by what Karl Benson has said and what I’ve heard from others.

UNT doesn't dislike Texas State. There are actually several UNT fans that really like Texas State. UNT and Texas State have a home & home series scheduled for 2026 & 2030.

I personally don't dislike Texas State, but the perceived dislike is probably mostly my fault. When Texas State and UTSA were set to move up in the WAC, I posted regularly on the WAC board, and openly expressed my desire to not see either added. Then realignment hit, and both were set to enter the Sun Belt (since UNT was leaving for C-USA 3.0), and I again expressed my displeasure at both Texas State's & UTSA's invitations. (The original UTSA fans remember my old WAC board posts. And, those early clashes with UTSA's fans basically grew into the open hatred between our schools which is now one of the ugliest rivalries in Texas... I take a little pride in that. And I will admit, I was probably a little too derogatory in those scrapes with UTSA's fans. But in hindsight, I think it's good for both of our programs).

My only problem with Texas State was that they were set on moving into the FBS. Just like I'm sure there are Texas State fans that don't want SHSU moving up, or Tarleton & SFA possibly moving up. Texas is crowded with FBS programs. But to be honest, now that UNT is in the AAC, I'm kind of indifferent to other G5 conferences adding more FCS programs in Texas. I hope that answers your question. And, best of luck with your upcoming season. Texas State too. I hope they get to play for the SB title this year.

I'm surprised there's any animosity towards Tx St, they've been irrelevant in football for their entire 11 years in FBS. Overall record 40-92.

(06-21-2023 08:06 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(06-20-2023 09:24 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  I have nothing to add to this conversation except to say…a previous poster said they know nothing of UNT…fun fact…UNT used to have a great music program. That is all…carry on.

We had a pretty good music school at Troy, and I remember FSU and North Texas as being the "big dogs" in the music world. UNT's One O'Clock Lab Band was fire.

I like Troys program also…specifically their marching band. I used to like JSUs as well back when it seemed like all of DCI Spirit marched in their band. UNT just had an overall awesome program. Their wind symphonies and jazz bands were sweet!

Western Carolinas has a good band.

Spirit is based in Jacksonville or was recently.

I'm surprised that Hawaii received the second largest distribution among MWC schools (after Boise State). I expected our payout to be the lowest, since we have our own standalone pay-per-view television contract with Spectrum, and our annual share of MWC media money is reduced dollar-for-dollar by our $3.1 million payout from the Spectrum deal.

I guess there's some fancy accounting going on where the Spectrum money is counted as MWC revenue and then turned around and paid out to Hawaii as part of the conference distribution. We may have also picked up a little extra cash by beating Houston in the New Mexico Bowl that season.