If you're going to add Rice and Tulane, may as well go all the way east and add USF. SMU, Rice, Tulane, and USF.

I don't expect this to happen though.

(06-18-2023 11:53 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If you're going to add Rice and Tulane, may as well go all the way east and add USF. SMU, Rice, Tulane, and USF.

I don't expect this to happen though.

I didn’t include USF because I foresee them in the Big XII if they go to 14. It’ll be either Memphis or UConn & USF in my opinion.

(06-19-2023 12:01 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 11:53 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If you're going to add Rice and Tulane, may as well go all the way east and add USF. SMU, Rice, Tulane, and USF.

I don't expect this to happen though.

I didn’t include USF because I foresee them in the Big XII if they go to 14. It’ll be either Memphis or UConn & USF in my opinion.

I expect San Diego St and SMU to be in the PAC. I expect Memphis and South Florida to be in the XII. I expect, further, East Carolina, Temple, and Tulane will be in a watered-down ACC or XII. I think Connecticut ultimately sticks to basketball as its main driver with the Big East.

I think the MWC goes to 16 and pulls from the AAC after the above schools are gone with Navy/Wichita St, North Texas, Rice, Tulsa, and UTSA. SBC gets frisky for 16 with Florida Atlantic and UAB. CUSA brings in Charlotte and Stephen F. Austin St for 12.

(06-17-2023 11:57 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 11:41 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  No

Seconded.

Rice and Tulane! Why not Tulsa, too?

USF+Zaga plus SDSU at two full shares. Give SDSU and USF 7/8 shares each and Zaga 1/4 shares. USF would have to find an Olympics league. Rice/Tulane could come in later.

(06-19-2023 01:12 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I expect, further, East Carolina, Temple, and Tulane will be in a watered-down ACC or XII.

Can you share more on these two scenarios?

PAC will replace USC and UCLA with SDSU and SMU.

With Colorado and Arizona leaving for the Big 12, Tulane and Colorado State should be added.

If ASU and Utah bolt, then PAC should go after, Fresno State and Memphis.

PAC East - Memphis, Tulane, SMU, Colorado State.

To balance the East: PAC would add UTSA and Air Force.

PAC West - California, Fresno State, San Diego State, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State,

Washington and Oregon to the BIG.

(06-18-2023 01:13 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:29 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Top 3 options for PAC are:
1. San Diego St.
2. SMU
3. Colorado St. (only happens if Colorado leaves)

With a quick google search, it appears that PAC presidents approved of 4 schools as candidates back in March (this could be different now). The top 2 above are known, Colorado St. could be 3rd. Maybe Tulane or Rice are 1 of the 4, but I doubt both would get in.

Damn, someone actually gets it who isn't out west. Yes, SDSU is the number one choice, SMU trails a bit. After than there is a significant gap. If CU were to bolt for the B12 (and that ain't happening because it isn't up to Deion) then CSU, who was vetted by the PAC, would likely be added to replace them.

I think Tulane would be considered before Rice. But, I think the PAC will stand pat until 2030 and at that point Houston and Kansas may be considered.

The PAC and the ACC are going to formulate a working relationship, not a merger. But they both have schools at risk of being poached by the B1G or SEC and they are similar in their academics. It would be beneficial for them to cooperate to ensure they are both in the P4. The B12 is the odd man out and their behavior in trying to sabotage the PAC media deal isn't going unnoticed by either the PAC or the ACC.

So you believe Kansas and Houston would leave the B12 and $50M+ total payouts and very high payout to leave and join that group? No chance IMO

Regardless of which conference, it is almost certain that Tulane will be in one of the PAC, Big 12, or ACC. We just have way too much going for us to not be a top choice. Whether Rice or Memphis or another school joins us remains to be seen but Tulane literally checks all the boxes for power conference realignment. It’s only a matter of time.

(06-19-2023 12:50 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  Regardless of which conference, it is almost certain that Tulane will be in one of the PAC, Big 12, or ACC. We just have way too much going for us to not be a top choice. Whether Rice or Memphis or another school joins us remains to be seen but Tulane literally checks all the boxes for power conference realignment. It’s only a matter of time.

https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-vi...am-attract

(06-19-2023 01:08 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 12:50 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  Regardless of which conference, it is almost certain that Tulane will be in one of the PAC, Big 12, or ACC. We just have way too much going for us to not be a top choice. Whether Rice or Memphis or another school joins us remains to be seen but Tulane literally checks all the boxes for power conference realignment. It’s only a matter of time.

https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-vi...am-attract

It's still about markets though. It probably won't be in 10 years, but it is now.

ECU is better than Tulane on that chart, but Greenville, NC isn't New Orleans.

(06-19-2023 12:50 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  Regardless of which conference, it is almost certain that Tulane will be in one of the PAC, Big 12, or ACC. We just have way too much going for us to not be a top choice. Whether Rice or Memphis or another school joins us remains to be seen but Tulane literally checks all the boxes for power conference realignment. It’s only a matter of time.

The Big 12 would most likely have Memphis and USF ahead of you on their list of G5 schools. But we're not adding G5s anytime soon.

(06-19-2023 11:37 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(06-19-2023 01:12 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I expect, further, East Carolina, Temple, and Tulane will be in a watered-down ACC or XII.

Can you share more on these two scenarios?

don't encourage them

(06-17-2023 08:10 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  C'mon, be real. We barely got from the WAC to CUSA. And I was shocked we got to the AAC.

Are you still pinching yourself Rice got AAC?

That’s awesome, btw. Happy for ya :)

(06-18-2023 01:13 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:29 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Top 3 options for PAC are:
1. San Diego St.
2. SMU
3. Colorado St. (only happens if Colorado leaves)

With a quick google search, it appears that PAC presidents approved of 4 schools as candidates back in March (this could be different now). The top 2 above are known, Colorado St. could be 3rd. Maybe Tulane or Rice are 1 of the 4, but I doubt both would get in.

Damn, someone actually gets it who isn't out west. Yes, SDSU is the number one choice, SMU trails a bit. After than there is a significant gap. If CU were to bolt for the B12 (and that ain't happening because it isn't up to Deion) then CSU, who was vetted by the PAC, would likely be added to replace them.

I think Tulane would be considered before Rice. But, I think the PAC will stand pat until 2030 and at that point Houston and Kansas may be considered.

The PAC and the ACC are going to formulate a working relationship, not a merger. But they both have schools at risk of being poached by the B1G or SEC and they are similar in their academics. It would be beneficial for them to cooperate to ensure they are both in the P4. The B12 is the odd man out and their behavior in trying to sabotage the PAC media deal isn't going unnoticed by either the PAC or the ACC.

Why the Hell would we leave the more stable Big 12 for the Pac-X?

(06-17-2023 12:30 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:01 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  They are two schools that fall into the category of "no amount of money will make them markedly better".

Tulane could build a lot more (and at P5 level) with the extra cash. Also, our ceiling right now is in the 5-10 range (achieved in 98 and 23) - so it’s not like you can’t do anything here.

In the right conference (and with a little more ambition), Tulane could be a FB variant of Duke sports wise.

You are where you should be.

(06-18-2023 08:01 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(06-18-2023 05:13 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 10:56 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 10:44 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  Do not sleep on Tulane. We are exactly what the PAC is looking for. Sizzling hot market, top notch academics, and a history of on field success. We have proven last year that we can take down the PAC’s top team. Tulane would come in and compete fast as well as add another top notch market to their line up. Say what you want but we are higher on that list than people want to admit.

A sizzling hot, top notch market is a top-10 market. Not #47 MSA/#50 DMA. Their market is a neutral or slight positive.

If Tulane was in Houston, they'd be #1 after SDSU/SMU.

There's 3 pieces to any discussion of markets:

1. Number of households in the DMA.
2. Number of DMA's a school covers.
3. The percentage of people in those DMA's that watch college football.

Number 3 is the kicker for G5 teams in the southern central time zone. I saw the figures for #3 some years back, and the main Memphis DMA saw 94% of households watching college football. The DMA Boston was in was around 13%.

So while some top 20 markets may have *potential*, some do not have as many current college football watching viewers as those in the 35-50 DMA's in the southern central time zone.

Something else to consider; which conference currently rules the late night time slots for college football? Its not the PAC. Its the SEC, which draws 2-3 times as many viewers in that late timeslot. The reason is the number of viewers in their DMA"s that watch college football. We literally watch it from the early pre game shows until the last interesting game is over.

I have said, ever since USCLA announced they were leaving, that the PAC needs to invite at least 3 central timezone schools that could boost their football profile while also bringing in an DMA's where the vast majority of people watch college football. I think SDSU is in valuable territory and the PAC needs that southern california area, but then they need an immediate audience that helps boost their overall viewership. There arent any teams west of the central time zone thats going to do that.

I see just SDSU and SMU this round. But, come 2030 then I think the PAC tries to add Houston. Then I'd say Kansas could get a look, or Tulane.

Or Boise, Fresno, as the league implodes based on not enough revenue to compete.

(06-17-2023 12:01 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  They are two schools that fall into the category of "no amount of money will make them markedly better".

well, Rice certainly believs in not spending money to make themselves better...

I could see the following moves happen

SMU and SD St to pac 12
Colorado and Arizona to Big 12
Colorado state and tulane to PAC 12

Yet, rice might get Tulane spot in the pac 12 if they want to focus more on Texas. The AAC might stand at 12 with the MWC adding UTEP and Texas State. I could see Temple join the A-10 with a football only AAC spot, than maybe WKU or Georgia state in the AAC

(06-20-2023 09:50 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I could see the following moves happen

SMU and SD St to pac 12
Colorado and Arizona to Big 12
Colorado state and tulane to PAC 12

Yet, rice might get Tulane spot in the pac 12 if they want to focus more on Texas. The AAC might stand at 12 with the MWC adding UTEP and Texas State. I could see Temple join the A-10 with a football only AAC spot, than maybe WKU or Georgia state in the AAC

While I'd expect the A10 to be okay with this, why would the AAC let Temple take away basketball while keeping football around?

The rest of your post I don't see as an odd set of predictions, so I'm only asking about the Temple part.