So, they notify the MWC that they intend to resign, then say that the exit notice they gave on June 13th wasn’t the official letter of resignation.

No San Diego, the original letter serves withdrawal purpose that most conferences have in their bylaws.

Why would they mail that letter not knowing where they are going.

They’d fit right in with the pac12.

(06-16-2023 03:42 PM)Acres Wrote:  So, they notify the MWC that they intend to resign, then say that the exit notice they gave on June 13th wasn’t the official letter of resignation.

No San Diego, the original letter serves withdrawal purpose that most conferences have in their bylaws.

Why would they mail that letter not knowing where they are going.

They’d fit right in with the pac12.

Its called “ask for more than you expect to receive”.

This reminds me of that AI researcher at Google that said if X, Y, and Z did not happen she would leave Google. And then Google said, we understand and accept your resignation.

(06-16-2023 02:44 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:10 PM)PredatorUTEP Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 01:57 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 01:56 PM)PredatorUTEP Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 01:54 PM)TTT Wrote:  Does the MWC stay at 11 or add a 12th team? If so who?

It only makes sense for them to stand pat. No one adds value that will actually be interested in joining a western based conference. I don't think Texas State will want to move to the MWC.

Would the MWC go after UTEP?

I would love it but I don't see it happening. Utep doesn't add a lot of value, if any at all, especially in comparison to a San Diego State or even Texas State.

It would be nice of MWC to save UTEP though.

You can only save someone that wants to be saved.

(06-16-2023 03:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  This could be a script for a Soap Opera, but nobody would buy it.

What I've always wanted -- and maybe with the Writer's Strike (tee hee) -- was basically all of conference realignment taking place with the ADs and conference commissioners in a massive Big Brother house.

(06-16-2023 04:13 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  This could be a script for a Soap Opera, but nobody would buy it.

What I've always wanted -- and maybe with the Writer's Strike (tee hee) -- was basically all of conference realignment taking place with the ADs and conference commissioners in a massive Big Brother house.

You really do root for chaos!

The best way to do that would be to first completely dissolve all the current conference contracts. Then turn them loose and see who ends up back together. It'd be great theater.

Update from Ross Dellenger:

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status...ftoKwuAAAA

(06-16-2023 02:48 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I think we should all take a moment and give thanks to Kliavkoff for providing us with so much entertainment over the past 11 months. May he provide us with many more months worth of entertainment to come!

Does someone have a running tally of his Greatest Hits? Some that I can think of off the top of my head:

- leaving SDSU to twist in the wind for a year (or 2)
- publicly visiting SMU then ignoring them completely afterwards
- misleading his Presidents, leading to many of them publicly embarrassing themselves and then backtracking
- trying to convince the State of California to force UCLA to stay in the Pac
- waiting to even discuss a new media rights deal until that obviously doomed gambit failed
- telling us that media rights companies don't negotiate after Dec 16
- telling us in February that a deal was imminent, a "few weeks away"
- going completely radio silent for the next 4 months (and counting!)
- not closing the deal with his Presidents on ESPN's original contract offer

That’s just not true

(06-16-2023 03:46 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 03:42 PM)Acres Wrote:  So, they notify the MWC that they intend to resign, then say that the exit notice they gave on June 13th wasn’t the official letter of resignation.

No San Diego, the original letter serves withdrawal purpose that most conferences have in their bylaws.

Why would they mail that letter not knowing where they are going.

They’d fit right in with the pac12.

Its called “ask for more than you expect to receive”.

That makes sense to me with regards to the exit fee amount, but i am not sure how that applies to the issue of apparently saying they are leaving but then saying well we aren't officially saying that.

(06-16-2023 01:56 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  A one month delay? lololololol

You can always ask. But, SDSU is leaving them with $11M in MM units from this year alone that we won't see a piece of. Also, by telling them we are leaving they can now negotiate with other schools should they want to replace us. The whole point of the doubling of the exit fee was because it would not leave the conference with enough time to bring in a replacement. Now, the MWC can play hardball, but they will gain nothing in doing so.

I have been on here saying that we would not wait until after June 30th to announce our departure from the MWC. I've taking a lot of crap for that. My sources have been right from the start. We have had a commitment from the PAC since November. I have said that the PAC deal would be enough to keep the PAC together until the end of the decade. I am now hearing that the deal will be around $35M/school. Not sure if that is average or initially. I've also heard that the deal is better with SDSU and SMU than without. I do not know what share either school will get initially.

(06-16-2023 02:29 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  San Diego State has been in the Mountain West since 1999 and is arguably the league's top overall athletic department.

Oh, boy. I can't wait to see what DavidSt and some of our Fresno Friends have to say about THAT.

What about me? I've been saying we were leaving from months now. I've taken a lot of crap for that as well.

(06-16-2023 02:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  MWC will tell SDSU to shove it. Either formally withdraw before June 30th or not, no halfway bull crap. The MWC is not going to subsidize your tardiness. That late fee money is owed the other 11 members of the MWC upon the date of your exit should you not meet the notice deadline. As for that money, you need to take it up with your inviting conference, it is not our problem, it is yours.

That is going to be the response, I guarantee you. Why would the MWC subsidize members leaving and harming the value of the conference with it's media providers and with the NCAA for distributions? Not happening.

LOL. We told them we are leaving. We can ask for a moth extension. If the MWC wants to play hardball they can, but it gains them nothing. The who point of the doubling of the fee with less than a year's notice is that they don't have time to find a replacement should they want to. We are gone from the MWC and the conference has known that long before the letter was sent.

(06-16-2023 02:48 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I think we should all take a moment and give thanks to Kliavkoff for providing us with so much entertainment over the past 11 months. May he provide us with many more months worth of entertainment to come!

Does someone have a running tally of his Greatest Hits? Some that I can think of off the top of my head:

- leaving SDSU to twist in the wind for a year (or 2)
- publicly visiting SMU then ignoring them completely afterwards
- misleading his Presidents, leading to many of them publicly embarrassing themselves and then backtracking
- trying to convince the State of California to force UCLA to stay in the Pac
- waiting to even discuss a new media rights deal until that obviously doomed gambit failed
- telling us that media rights companies don't negotiate after Dec 16
- telling us in February that a deal was imminent, a "few weeks away"
- going completely radio silent for the next 4 months (and counting!)
- not closing the deal with his Presidents on ESPN's original contract offer

Trust me, SDSU hasn't been left "twisting in the wind" by the PAC for a year. They offered back in November. SDSU was always a "slam dunk" for the PAC and they know what we provide both in academics and athletics. Their problem is with who to pair with us. It is SMU.

(06-16-2023 02:52 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  So .....

Is this "exit" for sure to the Pac-12?

Or might the Big XII be the first option?

Or instead is this a ploy by SDSU's administration to make both Yormark and Limo Larry's replacement put their very best cards on the table in order to determine the most beneficial path forward?

We are going to the PAC.

(06-16-2023 04:59 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Update from Ross Dellenger:

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status...ftoKwuAAAA

Thanks, here is the tweet....

(06-16-2023 06:25 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 02:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  MWC will tell SDSU to shove it. Either formally withdraw before June 30th or not, no halfway bull crap. The MWC is not going to subsidize your tardiness. That late fee money is owed the other 11 members of the MWC upon the date of your exit should you not meet the notice deadline. As for that money, you need to take it up with your inviting conference, it is not our problem, it is yours.

That is going to be the response, I guarantee you. Why would the MWC subsidize members leaving and harming the value of the conference with it's media providers and with the NCAA for distributions? Not happening.

LOL. We told them we are leaving. We can ask for a moth extension. If the MWC wants to play hardball they can, but it gains them nothing. The who point of the doubling of the fee with less than a year's notice is that they don't have time to find a replacement should they want to. We are gone from the MWC and the conference has known that long before the letter was sent.

Let’s just hope for San Diego St’s sake the school isn’t finally going to the PAC with 3 other MWC schools because their new home wasn’t just absolutely gutted.

I have a feeling the Big 12 is about to find out they're not in the position of power they think they are. I don't think CU is going to leave. I think SDSU makes perfect sense and if the pairing is SMU, I think it means ESPN is going to pick up their media deal and they've worked out that PAC-ACC Network agreement. The PAC will probably get an additional bump for this as will the ACC. Probably enough to put the PAC slightly above the B12 with the ability to widen the gap via the network partnership and the ACC decently above them both and appease the M7 temporarily.

(06-16-2023 06:57 PM)Outsider6 Wrote:  Let’s just hope for San Diego St’s sake the school isn’t finally going to the PAC with 3 other MWC schools because their new home wasn’t just absolutely gutted.

It would still be an improvement.

(06-16-2023 07:14 PM)krux Wrote:  I have a feeling the Big 12 is about to find out they're not in the position of power they think they are. I don't think CU is going to leave. I think SDSU makes perfect sense and if the pairing is SMU, I think it means ESPN is going to pick up their media deal and they've worked out that PAC-ACC Network agreement. The PAC will probably get an additional bump for this as will the ACC. Probably enough to put the PAC slightly above the B12 with the ability to widen the gap via the network partnership and the ACC decently above them both and appease the M7 temporarily.

I doubt ESPN is interested in acquiring yet another sports network thats has roughly the same subscriber level as the LHN that ESPN will soon shutter. That said---ESPN has ALWAYS been interested in a limited late night package at a reasonable price. They could very well be part of the deal---at the right price point.