(06-14-2023 06:44 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  Posted this in another thread
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4 Corners join the Big 12

BIG 12

baylor
ISU
Kansas
kstain
Okie State
WVU
TCU
Tech
UCF
Houston
BYU
Cincy
Arizona
ASU
Utah
Colorado

PAC responds when they bring in Fresno State,San Diego State,Colorado State, Nevada,UNLV, and New Mexico from the MWC. They also bring in SMU,Rice,UTSA, Tulane,Utah State,UTEP from the AAC

PAC

Cal
Stanford
Oregon State
Washington State
Fresno State
Colorado State
Utah State
San Diego State
UNLV
Nevada
New Mexico
SMU
Rice
Tulane
UTSA
UTEP


This gives the PAC 16 twelve high level R1 universities. San Diego State gets southern california back under PAC control. CSU brings the Denver market. UNLV brings a major travel hub and major tv market. SMU brings Dallas, Rice brings Houston, and Tulane brings New Orleans. UTSA brings San Antonio and is a fast rising university that will soon be AAU. UTEP helps establish a PAC 16 stronghold in Texas.


This leaves the Mountain West with 5 teams and the AAC with 10 teams. The AAC adds Air Force and Army (football only). Georgia State is invited and brings the Atlanta market. Louisiana Tech joins. Texas State brings the Austin market. James Madison completes it all by bringing in the Virginia markets. The academies are united and the AAC is able to be somewhat of a bus league.

AAC

East Carolina
Memphis
South Florida
Temple
Tulsa
UAB
Florida Atlantic
Charlotte
North Texas
Navy
Air Force
Army
Texas State
Georgia State
Louisiana Tech
James Madison


The Mountain West is now down to 4 teams. The conference hits the MVFC and Big Sky to refill the ranks.

MOUNTAIN WEST

Boise State
San Jose State
Hawaii (football only)
Wyoming
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Idaho
Montana State
Eastern Washington
Sacramento State


Now its the Sun Belt's turn to backfill. They bring back Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee State. Eastern Kentucky, missourah state, and Deleware make the move up.

SUN BELT

Appalachian State
Arkansas State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana
Marshall
Old Dominion
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Troy
Middle Tennessee State
Western Kentucky
Eastern Kentucky
missourah state
Deleware

Last, and definitely least, is Conference USA. After getting raided, CUSA is down to 6 schools. They raid the WAC and bring in Tarleton State and Houston Christian to get back to 8.

CONFERENCE USA

Florida International
Jacksonville State
Liberty
Kennesaw State
New Mexico State
Sam Houston State
Houston Christian University
Tarleton State

Here's how the lineups would look with the teams I suggested, with a few changes

Big XII

Arizona
Arizona State
Baylor
BYU
Cincinnati
Colorado
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF
Utah
West Virginia

PAC

California
Colorado State
Fresno State
New Mexico
Nevada
Oregon State
Rice
San Diego State
SMU
Stanford
Tulane
Utah State
UNLV
UTEP
UTSA
Washington State

AAC

Air Force
Army
Charlotte
East Carolina
Florida Atlantic
FIU
Georgia State
Memphis
Navy
North Texas
Old Dominon
South Florida
Temple
Texas State
Tulsa
UAB

MWC

Boise State
Hawaii
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
North Dakota State
San Jose State
South Dakota State
Southern Utah
Utah Tech
Wyoming

SBC

Appalachian State
Arkansas State
Costal Carolina
Delaware
Georgia Southern
James Madison
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Missouri State
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Troy
Western Kentucky

C-USA

Abilene Christian
Austin Peay
Central Arkansas
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State
Kennesaw State
Liberty
North Alabama
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin
Tarleton State
UTRGV

Other teams to consider:

Chattooga, North Carolina A&T, Tennessee State

(06-15-2023 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:18 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'll also add that the payout for MWC members ($4M) is more than the payout for the 6 new AAC members ($3.5M).

For how long? I don't remember the terms of agreement on the new AAC adds. Wouldn't they scale up to full payouts after a certain time period?

I don't think that information has been made public, although maybe one of our AAC friends has some inside knowledge to share.

What I do know is that the AAC TV deal runs through the 2031-32 season and there's not going to be a lot more money to distribute over that period than there is now. So a scaling up the newbies' partial payouts to full payouts isn't likely to happen fast.

Several months ago I thought this inequity might give the MWC an opportunity and incentive to pull a Yormark. If the Pac had finalized its TV deal and gone ahead with adding SDSU and SMU at the beginning of 2023 (leaving both the MWC and AAC in their current state of near-parity), the MWC could have accelerated negotiations on its own upcoming TV deal renewal and possibly finalized its own new contract by now, a full year early. That contract might have increased its annual per-member TV payouts from the current $4 million to perhaps $6-8 million beginning in 2026, and could have been written to include a pro-rata clause that would kick in if certain schools planning to move to the AAC decided to move to the MWC instead.

If all that had happened, then right now the MWC could be talking to some of the Texas schools lined up to join the AAC on July 1st at $3.5 million half-shares, and suggesting they join the MWC instead with the promise of receiving $6-8 million shares beginning no later than 2026. Presumably those schools aren't yet subject to the AAC exit fee because they technically haven't yet become AAC members. The goal would be to backfill for SDSU with North Texas, UTSA and Rice to increase MWC membership from 12 to 14 and establish a firm presence in the Texas Triangle.

But here we are with the Pac still chasing its tail trying to land its new TV deal, and the window of opportunity for the MWC to pull a Yormark is basically gone. Once those Texas schools formally join the AAC, I don't see any realistic scenario in which the MWC will be able to dislodge them.

(06-15-2023 01:16 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:18 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'll also add that the payout for MWC members ($4M) is more than the payout for the 6 new AAC members ($3.5M).

For how long? I don't remember the terms of agreement on the new AAC adds. Wouldn't they scale up to full payouts after a certain time period?

Until 2032, the payout for the 6 new AAC members will scale up, reaching an average of $3.5M in 2032. In the MWC, it's $4M each year.

After 2032, it's a new contract for the AAC, but I highly doubt the "legacy" members keep the $7M average they receive now, especially if they upgrade the 6 new members from half shares to full shares at that point.


The amount that Temple, ECU, USF, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, and Navy receive will likely decline significantly in 2032. That's another reason why Memphis, SMU, and USF are pushing so hard right now for upgrades. The clock is ticking.

My understanding from talking with our AD a while back is that the CUSA schools will escalate YoY to land at the 7m everyone else is at by the end of the contract. (for everyone asking about maths, I think our legacy teams are losing some of their escalators originally slated for the back half, partially offset by UC/UH/UCF exit fees).

MWC re-ups in 2026, and could obviously go up from their $4m.

(06-15-2023 01:16 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:18 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'll also add that the payout for MWC members ($4M) is more than the payout for the 6 new AAC members ($3.5M).

For how long? I don't remember the terms of agreement on the new AAC adds. Wouldn't they scale up to full payouts after a certain time period?

Until 2032, the payout for the 6 new AAC members will scale up, reaching an average of $3.5M in 2032. In the MWC, it's $4M each year.

After 2032, it's a new contract for the AAC, but I highly doubt the "legacy" members keep the $7M average they receive now, especially if they upgrade the 6 new members from half shares to full shares at that point.


The amount that Temple, ECU, USF, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, and Navy receive will likely decline significantly in 2032. That's another reason why Memphis, SMU, and USF are pushing so hard right now for upgrades. The clock is ticking.

MWC should get a bump from a new TV deal as theirs is up in 2 years.

However I understand the new AAC teams reluctance to go west- travel cost would eat up much of any differential. UTSA, Rice, UNT, SMU, and Tulsa aren't exactly close to UNM or AFA and the rest are much further.

The only reason the MWC would seriously consider UTEP is because they’re about to lose 3/4 of their schools to the diluted Pac-12.

The Montana schools haven’t signaled any desire in moving up to FBS since they turned the WAC down in 2012. I doubt the Dakota schools would move up to FBS only to find themselves in a sinking ship like UTSA and Texas State did when they joined the WAC.

So the question for UTEP and NMSU is, would you leave C-USA with all its flaws but at least there’s FCS schools in the Central and Eastern time zone willing to join the conference or risk going to a conference that has no back up FCS schools in the West and be left out in the cold like Idaho and NMSU?

(06-15-2023 01:48 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:16 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:18 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'll also add that the payout for MWC members ($4M) is more than the payout for the 6 new AAC members ($3.5M).

For how long? I don't remember the terms of agreement on the new AAC adds. Wouldn't they scale up to full payouts after a certain time period?

Until 2032, the payout for the 6 new AAC members will scale up, reaching an average of $3.5M in 2032. In the MWC, it's $4M each year.

After 2032, it's a new contract for the AAC, but I highly doubt the "legacy" members keep the $7M average they receive now, especially if they upgrade the 6 new members from half shares to full shares at that point.


The amount that Temple, ECU, USF, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, and Navy receive will likely decline significantly in 2032. That's another reason why Memphis, SMU, and USF are pushing so hard right now for upgrades. The clock is ticking.

MWC should get a bump from a new TV deal as theirs is up in 2 years.

However I understand the new AAC teams reluctance to go west- travel cost would eat up much of any differential. UTSA, Rice, UNT, SMU, and Tulsa aren't exactly close to UNM or AFA and the rest are much further.

Would schools of either conference pay their respective exit fees to join the other?

(06-15-2023 12:50 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:29 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If the MWC has any pull and is now without San Diego St, then my choice would be expanding to 18/18 with: Gonzaga^, Navy*, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP, UTSA, Wichita St^. North Texas as a substitute if anyone said "No."

Mountain: Air Force, Colorado St, New Mexico, Utah St, UTEP, Wyoming
Pacific: Boise St, Fresno St, Hawaii*, Nevada, San Jose St, UNLV
West: Navy*, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UTSA
* Football-Only
^ Non-Football: Gonzaga, Wichita St

If Oregon St and Washington St fall to the MWC:

Mountain: Air Force, Colorado St, New Mexico, UTEP, UTSA
Northwest: Boise St, Oregon St, Utah St, Washington St, Wyoming
Pacific: Fresno St, Hawaii*, Nevada, San Jose St, UNLV
West: Navy*, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-Only
^ Non-Football: Gonzaga, Wichita St

The MWC won't be raiding the AAC for the same reason the AAC won't be raiding the MWC: the exit fees are too high on both sides.

SDSU is willing to hand the MWC $17 million for the privilege of moving to a power conference and receiving a power conference revenue stream. Neither it nor any other MWC member is about to pay $17 million to move to another G5 conference and receive a G5 conference revenue stream. The logic is similar on the AAC side.

But where's the fun in not assuming everything will be complete and utter chaos?

That's why I do it.

NOBODY. Stand pat at 11/10. Simple.

Very evident if they lose more--hands will be forced.

Gloria was on the record a couple of months ago that the league is desiring to the work into the Central & possibly even Eastern times zones to make their next TV contract more attractive. The Pac-12 media debacle demonstrates that the west coast audiences don't amount to much. She may have been blowing some smoke but I honestly believe she is hoping to grab not just Texas State but also some other new members further east. Could La Tech be headed back? I don't expect that AAC teams would be in play. But would Army be up for football affiliate status? Probably not but it is not crazy talk.

Commissioner Nevarez gets Fox/CBS to give this MWC tv contract that’s equivalent to AAC per member, including makeup revenue for pie splitting between 22/20(full) members…

>WESTERN<
Hawaii (fb only)
San Jose
Fresno
UNLV
Nevada
Boise
Utah St
Wyoming
Colorado St
Air Force
New Mexico

>EASTERN<
Army (fb only)
ODU
JMU
Marshall
App St
Coastal Carolina
Georgia St
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Louisiana
Texas St

Football schedules…
~ 3 OOC
~ 7 division
~ 1 cross division (AFA-Army locked)
~ conference semis
~ ccg + 12th (flex) game for 18 teams (mostly within division)

Football and all other sports very few crossover games to limit travel but just enough to keep in touch with each other.

Conference changes name and steals APAC before anyone else gets it.

ULM, Troy, GA Southern and ASU go to CUSA-14.

Dual conference commissioners, with Gill in the east.

(06-15-2023 02:20 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:48 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:16 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:18 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'll also add that the payout for MWC members ($4M) is more than the payout for the 6 new AAC members ($3.5M).

For how long? I don't remember the terms of agreement on the new AAC adds. Wouldn't they scale up to full payouts after a certain time period?

Until 2032, the payout for the 6 new AAC members will scale up, reaching an average of $3.5M in 2032. In the MWC, it's $4M each year.

After 2032, it's a new contract for the AAC, but I highly doubt the "legacy" members keep the $7M average they receive now, especially if they upgrade the 6 new members from half shares to full shares at that point.


The amount that Temple, ECU, USF, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, and Navy receive will likely decline significantly in 2032. That's another reason why Memphis, SMU, and USF are pushing so hard right now for upgrades. The clock is ticking.

MWC should get a bump from a new TV deal as theirs is up in 2 years.

However I understand the new AAC teams reluctance to go west- travel cost would eat up much of any differential. UTSA, Rice, UNT, SMU, and Tulsa aren't exactly close to UNM or AFA and the rest are much further.

Would schools of either conference pay their respective exit fees to join the other?

North Texas, Rice, UTSA, and UTEP all contacted the Mountain West in 2021 wanting to join. The most serious discussions were with North Texas and Rice.

The MWC chose not to add them, and then the AAC swooped in and grabbed most of them.

Source: https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/aac-...e-uab-utsa

(06-14-2023 05:30 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Curious who's been rumored.

Tier 1 adds: 0
Tier 2 adds: Texas State and UTEP
Tier 3 adds: NMSU
Tier 4 adds: Montana, Montana State, XDSU's

Add two schools at half shares.

(06-15-2023 01:18 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 06:44 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  Posted this in another thread
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4 Corners join the Big 12

BIG 12

baylor
ISU
Kansas
kstain
Okie State
WVU
TCU
Tech
UCF
Houston
BYU
Cincy
Arizona
ASU
Utah
Colorado

PAC responds when they bring in Fresno State,San Diego State,Colorado State, Nevada,UNLV, and New Mexico from the MWC. They also bring in SMU,Rice,UTSA, Tulane,Utah State,UTEP from the AAC

PAC

Cal
Stanford
Oregon State
Washington State
Fresno State
Colorado State
Utah State
San Diego State
UNLV
Nevada
New Mexico
SMU
Rice
Tulane
UTSA
UTEP


This gives the PAC 16 twelve high level R1 universities. San Diego State gets southern california back under PAC control. CSU brings the Denver market. UNLV brings a major travel hub and major tv market. SMU brings Dallas, Rice brings Houston, and Tulane brings New Orleans. UTSA brings San Antonio and is a fast rising university that will soon be AAU. UTEP helps establish a PAC 16 stronghold in Texas.


This leaves the Mountain West with 5 teams and the AAC with 10 teams. The AAC adds Air Force and Army (football only). Georgia State is invited and brings the Atlanta market. Louisiana Tech joins. Texas State brings the Austin market. James Madison completes it all by bringing in the Virginia markets. The academies are united and the AAC is able to be somewhat of a bus league.

AAC

East Carolina
Memphis
South Florida
Temple
Tulsa
UAB
Florida Atlantic
Charlotte
North Texas
Navy
Air Force
Army
Texas State
Georgia State
Louisiana Tech
James Madison


The Mountain West is now down to 4 teams. The conference hits the MVFC and Big Sky to refill the ranks.

MOUNTAIN WEST

Boise State
San Jose State
Hawaii (football only)
Wyoming
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Idaho
Montana State
Eastern Washington
Sacramento State


Now its the Sun Belt's turn to backfill. They bring back Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee State. Eastern Kentucky, missourah state, and Deleware make the move up.

SUN BELT

Appalachian State
Arkansas State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana
Marshall
Old Dominion
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Troy
Middle Tennessee State
Western Kentucky
Eastern Kentucky
missourah state
Deleware

Last, and definitely least, is Conference USA. After getting raided, CUSA is down to 6 schools. They raid the WAC and bring in Tarleton State and Houston Christian to get back to 8.

CONFERENCE USA

Florida International
Jacksonville State
Liberty
Kennesaw State
New Mexico State
Sam Houston State
Houston Christian University
Tarleton State

Here's how the lineups would look with the teams I suggested, with a few changes

Big XII

Arizona
Arizona State
Baylor
BYU
Cincinnati
Colorado
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF
Utah
West Virginia

PAC

California
Colorado State
Fresno State
New Mexico
Nevada
Oregon State
Rice
San Diego State
SMU
Stanford
Tulane
Utah State
UNLV
UTEP
UTSA
Washington State

AAC

Air Force
Army
Charlotte
East Carolina
Florida Atlantic
FIU
Georgia State
Memphis
Navy
North Texas
Old Dominon
South Florida
Temple
Texas State
Tulsa
UAB

MWC

Boise State
Hawaii
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
North Dakota State
San Jose State
South Dakota State
Southern Utah
Utah Tech
Wyoming

SBC

Appalachian State
Arkansas State
Costal Carolina
Delaware
Georgia Southern
James Madison
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Missouri State
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Troy
Western Kentucky

C-USA

Abilene Christian
Austin Peay
Central Arkansas
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State
Kennesaw State
Liberty
North Alabama
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin
Tarleton State
UTRGV

Other teams to consider:

Chattooga, North Carolina A&T, Tennessee State

LIKE B12 + PAC 4Cs
LIKE PAC + G5 R1s + G5 AAUs

MWC raids Big Sky, Big West, & WAC...
MWC
Boise State
Cal Poly
Hawaii
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
North Dakota State
Sacramento St.
San Jose State
South Dakota State
Southern Utah
Utah Tech
Weber St.
Wyoming
...CSUs stick together and leave UC Davis behind...

LIKE AAC + CUSA left behinds...
LIKE CUSA + UAC...

(06-14-2023 08:44 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 08:36 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  No chance on Sac State. It's not just academics, but also the tiny endowment and very weak athletic department budget. UC Davis may not do graet on the field, but the have a lot of financial potential to be a serious player. Also they are a residential campus, while Sac State is a JuCo upper division school of commuters. Believe me SJSU and even your Fresno State prefer to be associated with UC schools than another CSU.

You know how the CSU board works right? When Fresno wanted in SDSU had to vote yes. When SJSU wanted in, Fresno and SDSU had to vote yes. Like I said no way in hell would we ever vote to add UCD unless we had to. They and Cal have blocked us for forever in adding more PhDs even though UCD has an Ag center 5 min from where I live. 25 min from Fresno's campus.

Fresno is also a commuter school that doesn't matter to us. Sac St. may never move up but we won't be taking UCD over anyone else unless forced.

I never knew about the bolded part before!!!!! That makes Fresno's accomplishments truly amazing, IMO!!!!! Have you guys (Fresno State) tried to get dorms built?? All the stuff Fresno has, and it's still a commuter campus??????

Fresno should matter!!!! A commuter campus getting that kind of support is definitely unheard of in the Southeast.

(06-15-2023 11:02 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:18 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 06:44 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  Posted this in another thread
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4 Corners join the Big 12

BIG 12

baylor
ISU
Kansas
kstain
Okie State
WVU
TCU
Tech
UCF
Houston
BYU
Cincy
Arizona
ASU
Utah
Colorado

PAC responds when they bring in Fresno State,San Diego State,Colorado State, Nevada,UNLV, and New Mexico from the MWC. They also bring in SMU,Rice,UTSA, Tulane,Utah State,UTEP from the AAC

PAC

Cal
Stanford
Oregon State
Washington State
Fresno State
Colorado State
Utah State
San Diego State
UNLV
Nevada
New Mexico
SMU
Rice
Tulane
UTSA
UTEP


This gives the PAC 16 twelve high level R1 universities. San Diego State gets southern california back under PAC control. CSU brings the Denver market. UNLV brings a major travel hub and major tv market. SMU brings Dallas, Rice brings Houston, and Tulane brings New Orleans. UTSA brings San Antonio and is a fast rising university that will soon be AAU. UTEP helps establish a PAC 16 stronghold in Texas.


This leaves the Mountain West with 5 teams and the AAC with 10 teams. The AAC adds Air Force and Army (football only). Georgia State is invited and brings the Atlanta market. Louisiana Tech joins. Texas State brings the Austin market. James Madison completes it all by bringing in the Virginia markets. The academies are united and the AAC is able to be somewhat of a bus league.

AAC

East Carolina
Memphis
South Florida
Temple
Tulsa
UAB
Florida Atlantic
Charlotte
North Texas
Navy
Air Force
Army
Texas State
Georgia State
Louisiana Tech
James Madison


The Mountain West is now down to 4 teams. The conference hits the MVFC and Big Sky to refill the ranks.

MOUNTAIN WEST

Boise State
San Jose State
Hawaii (football only)
Wyoming
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Idaho
Montana State
Eastern Washington
Sacramento State


Now its the Sun Belt's turn to backfill. They bring back Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee State. Eastern Kentucky, missourah state, and Deleware make the move up.

SUN BELT

Appalachian State
Arkansas State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana
Marshall
Old Dominion
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Troy
Middle Tennessee State
Western Kentucky
Eastern Kentucky
missourah state
Deleware

Last, and definitely least, is Conference USA. After getting raided, CUSA is down to 6 schools. They raid the WAC and bring in Tarleton State and Houston Christian to get back to 8.

CONFERENCE USA

Florida International
Jacksonville State
Liberty
Kennesaw State
New Mexico State
Sam Houston State
Houston Christian University
Tarleton State

Here's how the lineups would look with the teams I suggested, with a few changes

Big XII

Arizona
Arizona State
Baylor
BYU
Cincinnati
Colorado
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF
Utah
West Virginia

PAC

California
Colorado State
Fresno State
New Mexico
Nevada
Oregon State
Rice
San Diego State
SMU
Stanford
Tulane
Utah State
UNLV
UTEP
UTSA
Washington State

AAC

Air Force
Army
Charlotte
East Carolina
Florida Atlantic
FIU
Georgia State
Memphis
Navy
North Texas
Old Dominon
South Florida
Temple
Texas State
Tulsa
UAB

MWC

Boise State
Hawaii
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
North Dakota State
San Jose State
South Dakota State
Southern Utah
Utah Tech
Wyoming

SBC

Appalachian State
Arkansas State
Costal Carolina
Delaware
Georgia Southern
James Madison
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Missouri State
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Troy
Western Kentucky

C-USA

Abilene Christian
Austin Peay
Central Arkansas
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State
Kennesaw State
Liberty
North Alabama
Sam Houston State
Stephen F. Austin
Tarleton State
UTRGV

Other teams to consider:

Chattooga, North Carolina A&T, Tennessee State

LIKE B12 + PAC 4Cs
LIKE PAC + G5 R1s + G5 AAUs

MWC raids Big Sky, Big West, & WAC...
MWC
Boise State
Cal Poly
Hawaii
Montana
Montana State
New Mexico State
North Dakota State
Sacramento St.
San Jose State
South Dakota State
Southern Utah
Utah Tech
Weber St.
Wyoming
...CSUs stick together and leave UC Davis behind...

LIKE AAC + CUSA left behinds...
LIKE CUSA + UAC...

Love it!

(06-15-2023 06:18 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 02:20 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:48 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:16 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  For how long? I don't remember the terms of agreement on the new AAC adds. Wouldn't they scale up to full payouts after a certain time period?

Until 2032, the payout for the 6 new AAC members will scale up, reaching an average of $3.5M in 2032. In the MWC, it's $4M each year.

After 2032, it's a new contract for the AAC, but I highly doubt the "legacy" members keep the $7M average they receive now, especially if they upgrade the 6 new members from half shares to full shares at that point.


The amount that Temple, ECU, USF, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, and Navy receive will likely decline significantly in 2032. That's another reason why Memphis, SMU, and USF are pushing so hard right now for upgrades. The clock is ticking.

MWC should get a bump from a new TV deal as theirs is up in 2 years.

However I understand the new AAC teams reluctance to go west- travel cost would eat up much of any differential. UTSA, Rice, UNT, SMU, and Tulsa aren't exactly close to UNM or AFA and the rest are much further.

Would schools of either conference pay their respective exit fees to join the other?

North Texas, Rice, UTSA, and UTEP all contacted the Mountain West in 2021 wanting to join. The most serious discussions were with North Texas and Rice.

The MWC chose not to add them, and then the AAC swooped in and grabbed most of them.

Source: https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/aac-...e-uab-utsa

If true, this was a monumentally bad decision by the MWC.

(06-17-2023 02:12 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 06:18 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 02:20 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:48 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(06-15-2023 01:16 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Until 2032, the payout for the 6 new AAC members will scale up, reaching an average of $3.5M in 2032. In the MWC, it's $4M each year.

After 2032, it's a new contract for the AAC, but I highly doubt the "legacy" members keep the $7M average they receive now, especially if they upgrade the 6 new members from half shares to full shares at that point.


The amount that Temple, ECU, USF, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, and Navy receive will likely decline significantly in 2032. That's another reason why Memphis, SMU, and USF are pushing so hard right now for upgrades. The clock is ticking.

MWC should get a bump from a new TV deal as theirs is up in 2 years.

However I understand the new AAC teams reluctance to go west- travel cost would eat up much of any differential. UTSA, Rice, UNT, SMU, and Tulsa aren't exactly close to UNM or AFA and the rest are much further.

Would schools of either conference pay their respective exit fees to join the other?

North Texas, Rice, UTSA, and UTEP all contacted the Mountain West in 2021 wanting to join. The most serious discussions were with North Texas and Rice.

The MWC chose not to add them, and then the AAC swooped in and grabbed most of them.

Source: https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/aac-...e-uab-utsa

If true, this was a monumentally bad decision by the MWC.

If they didnt add to the TV deal then there was no point in adding them.