This seems to be the current incomes reported in the ACC less student fees collected (FSU and UVa are the big offenders).

1. ND 215 Million
2. Clemson 152 Million (Football 'nuff said)
3. Duke 151 Million (Basketball - your first two tickets cost you $8,000, ' nuff said
4. Miami 145 Million (Don't know where it actually comes from)
5. Louisville 140 Million (Can you say "Yum Center)
6. FSU 138 Million (20K empty football seats will do that to you)
7. UVa 127 Million (championship caliber basketball)
8. UNC 113 Million (football and basketball sub par)
9. Syracuse 109 Million (basketball in Carrier Dome)
10. VT 100 M (Bad football, what is there to say)
11. Pitt 99 M
12. BC 96 M
13. NC State 95 M (bad basketball, cheap football prices)
14. GT 95 M (there are only so many games with Georgia)
15. Wake Forest 85 M

It is what it is.

And that was done in Louisville with a very poor couple of years in Basketball and no where near up to par Football. The real test will be this year with new Football crew and great recruiting class for both major sports

(06-14-2023 05:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And that was done in Louisville with a very poor couple of years in Basketball and no where near up to par Football. The real test will be this year with new Football crew and great recruiting class for both major sports

As long as you can avoid a professional basketball, baseball, or hockey team, that $25-30 million is yours every year can you not?

(06-14-2023 06:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 05:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And that was done in Louisville with a very poor couple of years in Basketball and no where near up to par Football. The real test will be this year with new Football crew and great recruiting class for both major sports

As long as you can avoid a professional basketball, baseball, or hockey team, that $25-30 million is yours every year can you not?

Dan Issel is once again trying to land one of the recently announced NBA expansion teams . Truly not going to happen unless GE, Ford ,YUM and UPS step up to the plate

(06-14-2023 07:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 06:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 05:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And that was done in Louisville with a very poor couple of years in Basketball and no where near up to par Football. The real test will be this year with new Football crew and great recruiting class for both major sports

As long as you can avoid a professional basketball, baseball, or hockey team, that $25-30 million is yours every year can you not?

Dan Issel is once again trying to land one of the recently announced NBA expansion teams . Truly not going to happen unless GE, Ford ,YUM and UPS step up to the plate

It will cost Louisville money - trust me you don't want it. Doesn't Northern Kentucky need a NBA team?

(06-14-2023 07:45 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 07:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 06:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 05:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And that was done in Louisville with a very poor couple of years in Basketball and no where near up to par Football. The real test will be this year with new Football crew and great recruiting class for both major sports

As long as you can avoid a professional basketball, baseball, or hockey team, that $25-30 million is yours every year can you not?

Dan Issel is once again trying to land one of the recently announced NBA expansion teams . Truly not going to happen unless GE, Ford ,YUM and UPS step up to the plate

It will cost Louisville money - trust me you don't want it. Doesn't Northern Kentucky need a NBA team?

I’m not an NBA fan although I did watch a few of the Championship games

(06-14-2023 07:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 06:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 05:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And that was done in Louisville with a very poor couple of years in Basketball and no where near up to par Football. The real test will be this year with new Football crew and great recruiting class for both major sports

As long as you can avoid a professional basketball, baseball, or hockey team, that $25-30 million is yours every year can you not?

Dan Issel is once again trying to land one of the recently announced NBA expansion teams . Truly not going to happen unless GE, Ford ,YUM and UPS step up to the plate

4 Team NBA expansion -

Ohio River Players - Arena in Covington, US Government Chips in for new Bridge over the River. This makes it Kentucky's and Cincy's direct competition.

Las Vegas Gamblers - You would not even need to send out for hookers.

Calgary Stampede - Yes it competes with hockey but Calgary is just the US with a Loonie and a Toonie instead of a 1 and 2 dollar bill.

Chesapeake Colonials - So Va Beach, Norfolk, Portsmouth, and Hampton do not have to fight.

(06-14-2023 08:04 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 07:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 06:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 05:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And that was done in Louisville with a very poor couple of years in Basketball and no where near up to par Football. The real test will be this year with new Football crew and great recruiting class for both major sports

As long as you can avoid a professional basketball, baseball, or hockey team, that $25-30 million is yours every year can you not?

Dan Issel is once again trying to land one of the recently announced NBA expansion teams . Truly not going to happen unless GE, Ford ,YUM and UPS step up to the plate

4 Team NBA expansion -

Ohio River Players - Arena in Covington, US Government Chips in for new Bridge over the River. This makes it Kentucky's and Cincy's direct competition.

Las Vegas Gamblers - You would not even need to send out for hookers.

Calgary Stampede - Yes it competes with hockey but Calgary is just the US with a Loonie and a Toonie instead of a 1 and 2 dollar bill.

Chesapeake Colonials - So Va Beach, Norfolk, Portsmouth, and Hampton do not have to fight.

Jacksonville Chupacabras

(06-14-2023 04:49 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  This seems to be the current incomes reported in the ACC less student fees collected (FSU and UVa are the big offenders).

1. ND 215 Million
2. Clemson 152 Million (Football 'nuff said)
3. Duke 151 Million (Basketball - your first two tickets cost you $8,000, ' nuff said
4. Miami 145 Million (Don't know where it actually comes from)
5. Louisville 140 Million (Can you say "Yum Center)
6. FSU 138 Million (20K empty football seats will do that to you)
7. UVa 127 Million (championship caliber basketball)
8. UNC 113 Million (football and basketball sub par)
9. Syracuse 109 Million (basketball in Carrier Dome)
10. VT 100 M (Bad football, what is there to say)
11. Pitt 99 M
12. BC 96 M
13. NC State 95 M (bad basketball, cheap football prices)
14. GT 95 M (there are only so many games with Georgia)
15. Wake Forest 85 M

Where are you getting these numbers?

Some parts seem way off. Miami drawing in far more money than UNC? Only in a ‘Canes fantasy world. Louisville’s numbers have long been suspect.

Here’s a very different, although very incomplete, list.

(06-14-2023 07:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 06:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 05:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And that was done in Louisville with a very poor couple of years in Basketball and no where near up to par Football. The real test will be this year with new Football crew and great recruiting class for both major sports

As long as you can avoid a professional basketball, baseball, or hockey team, that $25-30 million is yours every year can you not?

Dan Issel is once again trying to land one of the recently announced NBA expansion teams . Truly not going to happen unless GE, Ford ,YUM and UPS step up to the plate

I remember watching Issel play with the Kentucky Colonels of the ABA.
The Carolina Cougars played 1/3 of their schedule in Greensboro, 1/3 in Raleigh, and 1/3 in Charlotte. I think Issel was disliked in all three locations. IIRC he was know as a "dirty" player.


BTW the Cougars were on of the 4? ABA teams to merge into the NBA (the Carolina Cougars became the Denver Nuggets).

(06-15-2023 06:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 07:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 06:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 05:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And that was done in Louisville with a very poor couple of years in Basketball and no where near up to par Football. The real test will be this year with new Football crew and great recruiting class for both major sports

As long as you can avoid a professional basketball, baseball, or hockey team, that $25-30 million is yours every year can you not?

Dan Issel is once again trying to land one of the recently announced NBA expansion teams . Truly not going to happen unless GE, Ford ,YUM and UPS step up to the plate

I remember watching Issel play with the Kentucky Colonels of the ABA.
The Carolina Cougars played 1/3 of their schedule in Greensboro, 1/3 in Raleigh, and 1/3 in Charlotte. I think Issel was disliked in all three locations. IIRC he was know as a "dirty" player.


BTW the Cougars were on of the 4? ABA teams to merge into the NBA (the Carolina Cougars became the Denver Nuggets).

With Dan Issel . The only reason the Ky Colonels didn’t go to the NBA and I won’t mention the owners names was as rumors had it the owners wife was having an affair with one of the players and divorced and player was traded to the new Baltimore Claws that quickly folded when said player refused to go there . But also that was when the Merger was beginning to happen. Hope I got that right been decades ago.

(06-14-2023 09:30 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 04:49 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  This seems to be the current incomes reported in the ACC less student fees collected (FSU and UVa are the big offenders).

1. ND 215 Million
2. Clemson 152 Million (Football 'nuff said)
3. Duke 151 Million (Basketball - your first two tickets cost you $8,000, ' nuff said
4. Miami 145 Million (Don't know where it actually comes from)
5. Louisville 140 Million (Can you say "Yum Center)
6. FSU 138 Million (20K empty football seats will do that to you)
7. UVa 127 Million (championship caliber basketball)
8. UNC 113 Million (football and basketball sub par)
9. Syracuse 109 Million (basketball in Carrier Dome)
10. VT 100 M (Bad football, what is there to say)
11. Pitt 99 M
12. BC 96 M
13. NC State 95 M (bad basketball, cheap football prices)
14. GT 95 M (there are only so many games with Georgia)
15. Wake Forest 85 M

Where are you getting these numbers?

Some parts seem way off. Miami drawing in far more money than UNC? Only in a ‘Canes fantasy world. Louisville’s numbers have long been suspect.

Here’s a very different, although very incomplete, list.

If Louisville's numbers are suspect, your linked source must be suspect too. Because your link shows Louisville with 6 million more dollars in revenue than the list that started this thread.

(06-14-2023 07:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 06:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 05:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And that was done in Louisville with a very poor couple of years in Basketball and no where near up to par Football. The real test will be this year with new Football crew and great recruiting class for both major sports

As long as you can avoid a professional basketball, baseball, or hockey team, that $25-30 million is yours every year can you not?

Dan Issel is once again trying to land one of the recently announced NBA expansion teams . Truly not going to happen unless GE, Ford ,YUM and UPS step up to the plate

A NBA team in Louisville would not be good for the Cardinals.

(06-14-2023 04:49 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  This seems to be the current incomes reported in the ACC less student fees collected (FSU and UVa are the big offenders).

1. ND 215 Million
2. Clemson 152 Million (Football 'nuff said)
3. Duke 151 Million (Basketball - your first two tickets cost you $8,000, ' nuff said
4. Miami 145 Million (Don't know where it actually comes from)
5. Louisville 140 Million (Can you say "Yum Center)
6. FSU 138 Million (20K empty football seats will do that to you)
7. UVa 127 Million (championship caliber basketball)
8. UNC 113 Million (football and basketball sub par)
9. Syracuse 109 Million (basketball in Carrier Dome)
10. VT 100 M (Bad football, what is there to say)
11. Pitt 99 M
12. BC 96 M
13. NC State 95 M (bad basketball, cheap football prices)
14. GT 95 M (there are only so many games with Georgia)
15. Wake Forest 85 M

No idea what Cuse makes in revenue but they always are one of the leaders in profit. Basketball mints money for them. Football does well too.

(06-14-2023 04:49 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  This seems to be the current incomes reported in the ACC less student fees collected (FSU and UVa are the big offenders).

1. ND 215 Million
2. Clemson 152 Million (Football 'nuff said)
3. Duke 151 Million (Basketball - your first two tickets cost you $8,000, ' nuff said
4. Miami 145 Million (Don't know where it actually comes from)
5. Louisville 140 Million (Can you say "Yum Center)
6. FSU 138 Million (20K empty football seats will do that to you)
7. UVa 127 Million (championship caliber basketball)
8. UNC 113 Million (football and basketball sub par)
9. Syracuse 109 Million (basketball in Carrier Dome)
10. VT 100 M (Bad football, what is there to say)
11. Pitt 99 M
12. BC 96 M
13. NC State 95 M (bad basketball, cheap football prices)
14. GT 95 M (there are only so many games with Georgia)
15. Wake Forest 85 M

I think, looking at the public school revenue post on the main board, that ND is third in the nation in revenues.

Not bad for a program with a low paying independent TV deal. I keep hearing that ND cannot compete as an independent.

That NBC deal, as well as the Under Armour apparel deal, are both coming to the end of their terms.

I wonder where ND will stand, revenue wise, when those two deals are replaced with new ones soon?

(06-14-2023 09:30 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 04:49 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  This seems to be the current incomes reported in the ACC less student fees collected (FSU and UVa are the big offenders).

1. ND 215 Million
2. Clemson 152 Million (Football 'nuff said)
3. Duke 151 Million (Basketball - your first two tickets cost you $8,000, ' nuff said
4. Miami 145 Million (Don't know where it actually comes from)
5. Louisville 140 Million (Can you say "Yum Center)
6. FSU 138 Million (20K empty football seats will do that to you)
7. UVa 127 Million (championship caliber basketball)
8. UNC 113 Million (football and basketball sub par)
9. Syracuse 109 Million (basketball in Carrier Dome)
10. VT 100 M (Bad football, what is there to say)
11. Pitt 99 M
12. BC 96 M
13. NC State 95 M (bad basketball, cheap football prices)
14. GT 95 M (there are only so many games with Georgia)
15. Wake Forest 85 M

Where are you getting these numbers?

Some parts seem way off. Miami drawing in far more money than UNC? Only in a ‘Canes fantasy world. Louisville’s numbers have long been suspect.

Here’s a very different, although very incomplete, list.

My numbers are from equity in athletics for privates and USA today for public https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances

Most ACC schools supplement their athletic income with a fee charged to students. That is not revenue so I backed it out as I indicated in the first post.

Picked from the Student's pocket -

24 Million - UVa
22 Million - FSU
14 M - VT
12 M - GT
10 M - UNC
7 M - NC State
6 M - Clemson and Louisville

This is not "income". You can book it this way and account for it like a revenue, but your daddy's money given to you is not income.

Duke, Pitt, and the other privates can embed whatever they want into their tuition and fee schedule and show it as they like. They are not under any pressure to depict the athletic department as a commercial entity or business where the actual profit or loss matters like your local water department.

UVa socks it to its students because the endowment and cost of attendance rules mean that poor and average kids pay next to nothing anyway. Only William Vanderbilt Edwards Cecil IV or the like pay the full freight. (Apologies to Biltmore Estate and the Vanderbilt family)

At FSU the tuition is already so damn cheap that the fee is unnoticed. Tuition is greatly subsidized at FSU, in part because that's what Southern States do, and second because their geographic location and proximity to SW Georgia and SE Alabama.

UNC-CH does not report income from their fully endowed scholarships as an income. They book an income that matches the distribution to the cost of the number of scholarships. This allows them to make money off the books so to speak and it will not show up until it is spent on something.

Now FSU has a way of double booking income that is illegal in NC. In NC public entities have to use modified accrual to produce an report and to handle money. Full accrual is a way to go broke - just ask MD. Money that is due to you ain't money.

(06-15-2023 08:10 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  If Louisville's numbers are suspect, your linked source must be suspect too. Because your link shows Louisville with 6 million more dollars in revenue than the list that started this thread.

Well said….

With season ticket sales skyrocketing for football, hopefully it offsets some of the season ticket sales losses we may see in basketball this year.

We need Josh to get out and shake the bushes for cash for baseball and get ready for another football stadium expansion.