(07-13-2023 10:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 04:31 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Ehhhh this feels kinda yuck. First game is going to be Pitt vs Cincy....ESPN doesn't value even that game to put on ACCN. ESPN could have this new catalog of games from Raycom and decided they were good enough to show on ACCN....this feels like a move that showing even more of a downgrade of both sports in ACC.....only twist/pivot for me to make it feel better is if its part of the rumored PAC12 partnership....where maybe both conferences are on CW, better crossover games with PAC12 are being selected for ACCN and rest of ESPN family of channels, and of course more $ coming in.

I believe Raycom had control...they selected the CW. Maybe CW outbid ESPN?

Or maybe ESPN didn’t bid? It doesn’t seem like they want to spend any money these days.

(07-13-2023 11:30 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 10:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 04:31 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Ehhhh this feels kinda yuck. First game is going to be Pitt vs Cincy....ESPN doesn't value even that game to put on ACCN. ESPN could have this new catalog of games from Raycom and decided they were good enough to show on ACCN....this feels like a move that showing even more of a downgrade of both sports in ACC.....only twist/pivot for me to make it feel better is if its part of the rumored PAC12 partnership....where maybe both conferences are on CW, better crossover games with PAC12 are being selected for ACCN and rest of ESPN family of channels, and of course more $ coming in.

I believe Raycom had control...they selected the CW. Maybe CW outbid ESPN?

Or maybe ESPN didn’t bid? It doesn’t seem like they want to spend any money these days.

They probably made a lowball bid, which is understandable. We're talking T3 ACC games, one year before the SEC moves fully to ABC/ESPN, and before the Pac-12 has a contract... how much would YOU want to spend in that situation?

The best ways for the ACC to get more TV money are:
- ACCN subs in new states
- T1 renegotiation / composition clause
- new revenue stream / look-in

(07-13-2023 09:05 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 05:08 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Does this affect ACC revenues or just Disney revenues? Disney already owns the games. Doesn’t it just affect their revenues? The answer may depend upon details in the ACC’s contract with Disney that we don’t know about. If it increases ACC revenues, I think we’ll hear about it.

I do not think it affects any revenue

It does not affect either the ACC's or ESPN's revenues. Raycom has agreed to pay ESPN some amount for this package of games. That amount won't change. Raycom will undoubtedly receive a different amount from The CW, though, than it did from Bally Sports.

One thing of note. The Bally package included 17 games, and featured a number of double headers. The CW announcement stated that it was purchasing a 13 game package. This leaves 4 games that Raycom still owns, which appears to start with the Western Michigan-Syracuse game. I'd look for these on ESPN+.

(07-13-2023 10:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 04:31 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Ehhhh this feels kinda yuck. First game is going to be Pitt vs Cincy....ESPN doesn't value even that game to put on ACCN. ESPN could have this new catalog of games from Raycom and decided they were good enough to show on ACCN....this feels like a move that showing even more of a downgrade of both sports in ACC.....only twist/pivot for me to make it feel better is if its part of the rumored PAC12 partnership....where maybe both conferences are on CW, better crossover games with PAC12 are being selected for ACCN and rest of ESPN family of channels, and of course more $ coming in.

I believe Raycom had control...they selected the CW. Maybe CW outbid ESPN?

Thats what I mean....ESPN took a look at that normal group of basketball/football games on Raycom and decided it wasn't worth putting on their family of channels, including the co-owned ACCN....our conference has work to do to regain eyeballs

Now if its part of a bigger plan with the PAC12/CW, it will feel different for me, as then I'll view it as ESPN saved spots to have PAC12 and PAC/ACC crossover games.

(07-17-2023 06:37 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 10:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 04:31 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Ehhhh this feels kinda yuck. First game is going to be Pitt vs Cincy....ESPN doesn't value even that game to put on ACCN. ESPN could have this new catalog of games from Raycom and decided they were good enough to show on ACCN....this feels like a move that showing even more of a downgrade of both sports in ACC.....only twist/pivot for me to make it feel better is if its part of the rumored PAC12 partnership....where maybe both conferences are on CW, better crossover games with PAC12 are being selected for ACCN and rest of ESPN family of channels, and of course more $ coming in.

I believe Raycom had control...they selected the CW. Maybe CW outbid ESPN?

Thats what I mean....ESPN took a look at that normal group of basketball/football games on Raycom and decided it wasn't worth putting on their family of channels, including the co-owned ACCN....our conference has work to do to regain eyeballs

Now if its part of a bigger plan with the PAC12/CW, it will feel different for me, as then I'll view it as ESPN saved spots to have PAC12 and PAC/ACC crossover games.

I think ESPN doesn't have the $$$ right now. Both FOX and ESPN probably overpaid for B1G and SEC content. Doesn't bode well for the other 3 conferences in the out years.

In 2027 when Raycom loses the content...we might very well see the ACC go with CW to 2036 for Tier 3 content. Raycom might still produce it though. They easily could become CW's sports arm.

(07-14-2023 08:04 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 09:05 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 05:08 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Does this affect ACC revenues or just Disney revenues? Disney already owns the games. Doesn’t it just affect their revenues? The answer may depend upon details in the ACC’s contract with Disney that we don’t know about. If it increases ACC revenues, I think we’ll hear about it.

I do not think it affects any revenue

It does not affect either the ACC's or ESPN's revenues. Raycom has agreed to pay ESPN some amount for this package of games. That amount won't change. Raycom will undoubtedly receive a different amount from The CW, though, than it did from Bally Sports.

One thing of note. The Bally package included 17 games, and featured a number of double headers. The CW announcement stated that it was purchasing a 13 game package. This leaves 4 games that Raycom still owns, which appears to start with the Western Michigan-Syracuse game. I'd look for these on ESPN+.

Yes, what I was thinking too. CW might be trying out CFB and essentially 1 game a week is easy to manage. Maybe by '27, Raycom and CW grab all 17 games and even buy a few extra from a cash strapped? ESPN.

Will be interesting to see if the Pac joins CW to create tier 3 double headers on the CW.

(07-17-2023 10:23 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I think ESPN doesn't have the $$$ right now. Both FOX and ESPN probably overpaid for B1G and SEC content. Doesn't bode well for the other 3 conferences in the out years.

In 2027 when Raycom loses the content...we might very well see the ACC go with CW to 2036 for Tier 3 content. Raycom might still produce it though. They easily could become CW's sports arm.

Agree with this .....

And I think it's a good sign that someone WANTED to buy this content. And that someone is an over-the-air network with coast-to-coast distribution. There's no guarantee that anyone would have bid on this package. Just look at the PAC and their massive struggles getting a PRIMARY TV package put together.

Depending on how this goes, CW could decide to build a sports division around the ACC Tier 3.

(07-17-2023 10:23 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-17-2023 06:37 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 10:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 04:31 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Ehhhh this feels kinda yuck. First game is going to be Pitt vs Cincy....ESPN doesn't value even that game to put on ACCN. ESPN could have this new catalog of games from Raycom and decided they were good enough to show on ACCN....this feels like a move that showing even more of a downgrade of both sports in ACC.....only twist/pivot for me to make it feel better is if its part of the rumored PAC12 partnership....where maybe both conferences are on CW, better crossover games with PAC12 are being selected for ACCN and rest of ESPN family of channels, and of course more $ coming in.

I believe Raycom had control...they selected the CW. Maybe CW outbid ESPN?

Thats what I mean....ESPN took a look at that normal group of basketball/football games on Raycom and decided it wasn't worth putting on their family of channels, including the co-owned ACCN....our conference has work to do to regain eyeballs

Now if its part of a bigger plan with the PAC12/CW, it will feel different for me, as then I'll view it as ESPN saved spots to have PAC12 and PAC/ACC crossover games.

I think ESPN doesn't have the $$$ right now. Both FOX and ESPN probably overpaid for B1G and SEC content. Doesn't bode well for the other 3 conferences in the out years.

In 2027 when Raycom loses the content...we might very well see the ACC go with CW to 2036 for Tier 3 content. Raycom might still produce it though. They easily could become CW's sports arm.

I thought ESPN owned the rights. CW better pay up in that scenario to make more sense than ESPN+ or shuffling more content to ACC Network.

The ACC’s recent TV deal with The CW Network comes into the picture. The ACC got a small amount of revenue from the deal, but it will get a noticeable boost in exposure. That was the play. The move was more about the exposure side than the revenue side.

Pac-12 columnist John Canzano, at his Substack, commented on the ACC-CW deal:

“It was a distribution play by the ACC. It solved an ongoing visibility problem for that conference and will sprinkle a little revenue over the members,” Canzano wrote. “Everyone in America can get the CW. The network will broadcast 50 football and basketball games a year until 2026-27. Next season, the CW will air 13 football games, 28 men’s basketball games, and nine women’s basketball games. It will sweeten the revenue pot a little, but it was more of an exposure move.

Link
https://sports.yahoo.com/pac-12-columnis...16916.html

Raycom owns the rights. I assumed the ACC got nothing other than better exposure. ACC must have received a little income for cooperation or Raycom trying to curry favor to keep them involved after 26-27.

(07-14-2023 08:04 AM)orangefan Wrote:  One thing of note. The Bally package included 17 games, and featured a number of double headers. The CW announcement stated that it was purchasing a 13 game package. This leaves 4 games that Raycom still owns, which appears to start with the Western Michigan-Syracuse game. I'd look for these on ESPN+.

To expand on what you said, looking at the past several years, there were four Saturdays that featured an ACC double-header on RSN. So, the CW is clearly only interested in airing one per Saturday.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2022

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2021

(07-19-2023 04:02 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(07-14-2023 08:04 AM)orangefan Wrote:  One thing of note. The Bally package included 17 games, and featured a number of double headers. The CW announcement stated that it was purchasing a 13 game package. This leaves 4 games that Raycom still owns, which appears to start with the Western Michigan-Syracuse game. I'd look for these on ESPN+.

To expand on what you said, looking at the past several years, there were four Saturdays that featured an ACC double-header on RSN. So, the CW is clearly only interested in airing one per Saturday.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2022

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2021

Probably due to how often during a Saturday they can get full cooperation from all their stations. CW has less stringent rules on local stations than the ABC, CBS, FOX, etc. ones.

(07-19-2023 10:26 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 04:02 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(07-14-2023 08:04 AM)orangefan Wrote:  One thing of note. The Bally package included 17 games, and featured a number of double headers. The CW announcement stated that it was purchasing a 13 game package. This leaves 4 games that Raycom still owns, which appears to start with the Western Michigan-Syracuse game. I'd look for these on ESPN+.

To expand on what you said, looking at the past several years, there were four Saturdays that featured an ACC double-header on RSN. So, the CW is clearly only interested in airing one per Saturday.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2022

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2021

Probably due to how often during a Saturday they can get full cooperation from all their stations. CW has less stringent rules on local stations than the ABC, CBS, FOX, etc. ones.

The basketball package that the CW is taking is also for a smaller of games than what Bally was airing. The CW will be showing only a Saturday doubleheader, with no midweek games. As with the 4 doubleheader football games, Raycom will need to find another outlet for these midweek games. ACCN may have some timeslots for these. Otherwise, ACCNX/ESPN+ seems likely.

These Tier 3 games revert to ESPN Fall 27. I gotta think ESPN can keep 13 or so games on CW. I heard each ACC team should expect a $3M bump for recapture of this content. If $42M ESPN payout can be flipped to CW for $60M+ I could see it staying on CW.

We'll see if they grab some Pac10 content and have a FB show.

It looks like the Western Michigan at Syracuse game is on ACCNX/ESPN+, so we have to now guess if Raycom sold those four games back to Disney or if they worked out a deal with Disney to remove those from the remainder of the sublicense deal. Basically, the same end result in terms of where the games are aired.

(07-19-2023 04:02 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(07-14-2023 08:04 AM)orangefan Wrote:  One thing of note. The Bally package included 17 games, and featured a number of double headers. The CW announcement stated that it was purchasing a 13 game package. This leaves 4 games that Raycom still owns, which appears to start with the Western Michigan-Syracuse game. I'd look for these on ESPN+.

To expand on what you said, looking at the past several years, there were four Saturdays that featured an ACC double-header on RSN. So, the CW is clearly only interested in airing one per Saturday.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2022

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2021

Actually 9/9/2023-11/25/2023 is 12 weeks, there are thirteen games on the contract so there will be on e week with two games, question becomes what week?

(07-21-2023 07:47 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 04:02 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(07-14-2023 08:04 AM)orangefan Wrote:  One thing of note. The Bally package included 17 games, and featured a number of double headers. The CW announcement stated that it was purchasing a 13 game package. This leaves 4 games that Raycom still owns, which appears to start with the Western Michigan-Syracuse game. I'd look for these on ESPN+.

To expand on what you said, looking at the past several years, there were four Saturdays that featured an ACC double-header on RSN. So, the CW is clearly only interested in airing one per Saturday.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2022

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2021

Actually 9/9/2023-11/25/2023 is 12 weeks, there are thirteen games on the contract so there will be on e week with two games, question becomes what week?

Probably Black Friday/Thanksgiving weekend.

(07-17-2023 11:03 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-17-2023 10:23 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-17-2023 06:37 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 10:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 04:31 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Ehhhh this feels kinda yuck. First game is going to be Pitt vs Cincy....ESPN doesn't value even that game to put on ACCN. ESPN could have this new catalog of games from Raycom and decided they were good enough to show on ACCN....this feels like a move that showing even more of a downgrade of both sports in ACC.....only twist/pivot for me to make it feel better is if its part of the rumored PAC12 partnership....where maybe both conferences are on CW, better crossover games with PAC12 are being selected for ACCN and rest of ESPN family of channels, and of course more $ coming in.

I believe Raycom had control...they selected the CW. Maybe CW outbid ESPN?

Thats what I mean....ESPN took a look at that normal group of basketball/football games on Raycom and decided it wasn't worth putting on their family of channels, including the co-owned ACCN....our conference has work to do to regain eyeballs

Now if its part of a bigger plan with the PAC12/CW, it will feel different for me, as then I'll view it as ESPN saved spots to have PAC12 and PAC/ACC crossover games.

I think ESPN doesn't have the $$$ right now. Both FOX and ESPN probably overpaid for B1G and SEC content. Doesn't bode well for the other 3 conferences in the out years.

In 2027 when Raycom loses the content...we might very well see the ACC go with CW to 2036 for Tier 3 content. Raycom might still produce it though. They easily could become CW's sports arm.

I thought ESPN owned the rights. CW better pay up in that scenario to make more sense than ESPN+ or shuffling more content to ACC Network.

(07-21-2023 09:13 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 07:47 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 04:02 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(07-14-2023 08:04 AM)orangefan Wrote:  One thing of note. The Bally package included 17 games, and featured a number of double headers. The CW announcement stated that it was purchasing a 13 game package. This leaves 4 games that Raycom still owns, which appears to start with the Western Michigan-Syracuse game. I'd look for these on ESPN+.

To expand on what you said, looking at the past several years, there were four Saturdays that featured an ACC double-header on RSN. So, the CW is clearly only interested in airing one per Saturday.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2022

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2021

Actually 9/9/2023-11/25/2023 is 12 weeks, there are thirteen games on the contract so there will be on e week with two games, question becomes what week?

Probably Black Friday/Thanksgiving weekend.

Maybe...I'm going to guess week 4

(07-23-2023 03:41 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-17-2023 11:03 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-17-2023 10:23 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-17-2023 06:37 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(07-13-2023 10:51 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I believe Raycom had control...they selected the CW. Maybe CW outbid ESPN?

Thats what I mean....ESPN took a look at that normal group of basketball/football games on Raycom and decided it wasn't worth putting on their family of channels, including the co-owned ACCN....our conference has work to do to regain eyeballs

Now if its part of a bigger plan with the PAC12/CW, it will feel different for me, as then I'll view it as ESPN saved spots to have PAC12 and PAC/ACC crossover games.

I think ESPN doesn't have the $$$ right now. Both FOX and ESPN probably overpaid for B1G and SEC content. Doesn't bode well for the other 3 conferences in the out years.

In 2027 when Raycom loses the content...we might very well see the ACC go with CW to 2036 for Tier 3 content. Raycom might still produce it though. They easily could become CW's sports arm.

I thought ESPN owned the rights. CW better pay up in that scenario to make more sense than ESPN+ or shuffling more content to ACC Network.

(07-21-2023 09:13 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-21-2023 07:47 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-19-2023 04:02 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(07-14-2023 08:04 AM)orangefan Wrote:  One thing of note. The Bally package included 17 games, and featured a number of double headers. The CW announcement stated that it was purchasing a 13 game package. This leaves 4 games that Raycom still owns, which appears to start with the Western Michigan-Syracuse game. I'd look for these on ESPN+.

To expand on what you said, looking at the past several years, there were four Saturdays that featured an ACC double-header on RSN. So, the CW is clearly only interested in airing one per Saturday.

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2022

https://mattsarzsports.com/Contract/GameList/ACC/2021

Actually 9/9/2023-11/25/2023 is 12 weeks, there are thirteen games on the contract so there will be on e week with two games, question becomes what week?

Probably Black Friday/Thanksgiving weekend.

Maybe...I'm going to guess week 4

Maybe they’re still being shopped around. Somebody else may want them.