No way in hell any school signed away their GOR with no media deal agreed on. You don’t just give that away for free. Ask the ACC members what they think of GOR deals.

(06-07-2023 11:51 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Getting the TV deal done this early in June helps SDSU out

Again, SDSU can always announce to the MWC that they are leaving even if they do not say where they are going. Still, any deal with the PAC would be much better than what they are getting in the MWC. But he is right, SDSU cannot sign on to a deal that isn't finalized, it would not make sense for them to do that given they have another option. But, I have been saying that they won't be playing in the MWC in 2024. One of my sources has said that the PAC schools have a pretty good idea what the numbers will be going back a few weeks now, and that they are satisfied with them. Canzano is merely confirming what my source has been saying.

Here is what the board of regents meeting would be about including media rights agreement with partners. This is what Bob Thompson was reporting as well about the GORs as well.

Let's say the PAC stays together and no one leaves.

What does the Big 12 do? Still expand?

Welcome to San Diego State to the PAC 12 as the rights would be agreeing to.

(06-07-2023 12:05 PM)Usajags Wrote:  No way in hell any school signed away their GOR with no media deal agreed on. You don’t just give that away for free. Ask the ACC members what they think of GOR deals.

Thompson said the era of long term GORs is over. But any media deal with any company is going to require some form of GOR. It not only binds a school to their media partner, but to the others schools as well.

(06-07-2023 12:08 PM)Boots Wrote:  Let's say the PAC stays together and no one leaves.

What does the Big 12 do? Still expand?

Perhaps, but not west. My thoughts is staying in their wheelhouse and grab Memphis and CSU. CSU actually deserves a spot in the PAC, great academics and good sports facilities.

I (and many others) got my ass owned by DavidSt. I fell for the Colorado hype. I posted a picture of the Titanic band claiming it was DavidSt’s new music group.

Take a bow, DavidSt. Another miracle.

It's hard for me to believe that ASU is going to convince AU to stay. AU does not appear to be a viable B1G candidate at any point in the future barring some craziness. I'd imagine if CU moves, Zona will likely end up there at some point.

So, SDSU would replace CU, but would they still add SMU as 10 if Zona leaves? Very tough call. I'd rather they add UNLV or CSU.

(06-07-2023 12:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  1. I don't buy it. When a conference signs a GOR they announce it through a network sports department so the whole world knows they are off the table and secure. They don't leak it through liars and PR people with an agenda which are already doubted.
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The report doesn't say anyone has 'signed' a grant of rights. It says ten schools have agreed on the terms in the document.

Actually signing a grant is the last thing schools do, after media contracts are finalised and inked. We saw this most recently in the case of the B12.

It stands to reason that this would be coming together now. San Diego State is working against a July deadline. The PAC needs to wrap things up.

As the possibility exists of a B1G callup for some members, agreeing on the terms of a grant is bound to be more complicated in the PAC than usual. Key ingredients of the media contract the league can expect will depend very much on what terms the schools can agree to regarding broadcast rights.

If that's done, as reported, we can expect the rest of the media deal to start snapping into place.

(06-07-2023 12:04 PM)MadisonHawk Wrote:  

(06-07-2023 11:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I take Scheer and Ross's words with a grain of salt. The media have been pushing to get schools to jump all this time. The GORs deal would not happened unless the deal was already made.

I have not read all of Conzano's article but Scheer and Dellenger seem accurate. The media rights deal is the most important piece, which has not been agreed to. There are lots of other important issues (e.g. revenue sharing, advertising rights, tertiary media rights such as radio) that need to be agreed upon and apparently they have been. Everything is still contingent upon an acceptable media deal however.

Correct. Conzano sounds like he's publishing weeks old news as if something has happened in the last 24 hours.

(06-07-2023 12:18 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  It's hard for me to believe that ASU is going to convince AU to stay. AU does not appear to be a viable B1G candidate at any point in the future barring some craziness. I'd imagine if CU moves, Zona will likely end up there at some point.

So, SDSU would replace CU, but would they still add SMU as 10 if Zona leaves? Very tough call. I'd rather they add UNLV or CSU.

All 10 PAC 12 schools are staying. It seems that they signed a tv deal with more than one media partner. I bet it is with CW the other one as well.
The local affiliates might want to so PAC 12 games on the east coast? Why? They play ACC schools which seems to be part of the attraction to keep the schools in place.

(06-07-2023 12:17 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I (and many others) got my ass owned by DavidSt. I fell for the Colorado hype. I posted a picture of the Titan band claiming it was DavidSt’s new music group.

Take a bow, DavidSt. Another miracle.

I think I saw a post from him saying Marshall and Delaware were more valuable than Duke.

(06-07-2023 12:18 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  It's hard for me to believe that ASU is going to convince AU to stay. AU does not appear to be a viable B1G candidate at any point in the future barring some craziness. I'd imagine if CU moves, Zona will likely end up there at some point.

So, SDSU would replace CU, but would they still add SMU as 10 if Zona leaves? Very tough call. I'd rather they add UNLV or CSU.

No, the SDSU and SMU adds would get the conference back to 12. Were CU to jump, and I said that was not likely, then the PAC would have added CSU, which looks to be a future AAU candidate and keeps them in that state. Too bad for CSU, they deserve to be in the PAC but Colorado isn't big enough to support two PAC schools.

(06-07-2023 12:19 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(06-07-2023 12:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  1. I don't buy it. When a conference signs a GOR they announce it through a network sports department so the whole world knows they are off the table and secure. They don't leak it through liars and PR people with an agenda which are already doubted.
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The report doesn't say anyone has 'signed' a grant of rights. It says ten schools have agreed on the terms in the document.

Actually signing a grant is the last thing schools do, after media contracts are finalised and inked. We saw this most recently in the case of the B12.

It stands to reason that this would be coming together now. San Diego State is working against a July deadline. The PAC needs to wrap things up.

As the possibility exists of a B1G callup for some members, agreeing on the terms of a grant is bound to be more complicated in the PAC than usual. Key ingredients of the media contract the league can expect will depend very much on what terms the schools can agree to regarding broadcast rights.

If that's done, as reported, we can expect the rest of the media deal to start snapping into place.

Watch the video that I posted. The agenda for Washington State was for the media rights between partners. Yes, that sounds like linear coverage of games and with the announcement of ACC and PAC 12 play more games in a partnership.

The clear take on the WSU meeting minutes is that the board is giving President Schulz authority for the next six months to sign a grant of rights and approve a media deal the Pac-12 is able to present him, without needing to come back to the board for approval.

Washington State is not going anywhere. If the Pac-12 loses schools (which I think begins Friday), they will start backfilling with MWC schools and maybe SMU. I suspect the exodus might happen not all in one year but over two or three years, with some schools not signing the GoR.

For San Diego State, Colorado State (who seem to be 3rd line, and would not get called up unless a 3rd or 4th school exits) and any other MWC schools, June 30th is a key deadline to avoid a hefty jump in the exit fee ($17M tacked on), likely greater than the Pac-12 media rights would bring them, effectively delaying their coming on board for a year. No such deadline for SMU, as the American is 30 months, but a settlement price has been well established by several predecessors who left the league at around $16-17M (UConn, Cincy, Houston, UCF) and they have the funds to pay for the move. SMU is also willing to come in initially at a discount.

The Pac-12 has for itself a slightly different deadline, as their calendar year ends on August 1st, not June 30th like other conferences. While the time limit for a deal seems to have been reached by Colorado, Arizona is likely giving Kliavkoff a few more weeks, so I expect their possible exit to be in the July time frame. Oregon and Washington might be inclined to agree to a B1G move at a discount another year down the road, the 2025 season, should they work out a deal with Fox and the B1G (they'll take a steep discount to get in, very steep). That could buy the Pac-12 time to bring in additional MWC schools, and depending upon the media contract terms, possibly at reduced rate, much like we see UAB, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, FAU and Charlotte agreed in the AAC. (My WAG on the 4th school after SDSU, SMU and CSU is either UNLV or Fresno State)

The really major exodus could happen not now but in five years when the new contract nears expiration. Very volatile, and completely dependent upon whatever deal Kliavkoff can come up with. Not much time left for him to get it done. Hard deadlines approaching.

(06-07-2023 12:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-07-2023 12:18 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  It's hard for me to believe that ASU is going to convince AU to stay. AU does not appear to be a viable B1G candidate at any point in the future barring some craziness. I'd imagine if CU moves, Zona will likely end up there at some point.

So, SDSU would replace CU, but would they still add SMU as 10 if Zona leaves? Very tough call. I'd rather they add UNLV or CSU.

All 10 PAC 12 schools are staying. It seems that they signed a tv deal with more than one media partner. I bet it is with CW the other one as well.
The local affiliates might want to so PAC 12 games on the east coast? Why? They play ACC schools which seems to be part of the attraction to keep the schools in place.

Last year, Apple announced its MLB and MSL deal on the last day of their WWDC. Were they to do the same this year, it would be announced on Friday.

(06-07-2023 12:12 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(06-07-2023 12:08 PM)Boots Wrote:  Let's say the PAC stays together and no one leaves.

What does the Big 12 do? Still expand?

Perhaps, but not west. My thoughts is staying in their wheelhouse and grab Memphis and CSU. CSU actually deserves a spot in the PAC, great academics and good sports facilities.

I like how Colorado State looks in the PAC. It would be nice to see it happen, with San Diego State and SMU also on board.

Memphis and USF to the B12.

(06-07-2023 12:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  All 10 PAC 12 schools are staying. It seems that they signed a tv deal with more than one media partner. I bet it is with CW the other one as well.
The local affiliates might want to so PAC 12 games on the east coast? Why? They play ACC schools which seems to be part of the attraction to keep the schools in place.

I really like your contributions to this board, but you got to stop with this talk and wait until its signed sealed and delivered for your own sanity. You could end up with the proverbial egg in the face. Not that it matters so much, as it's only sports. Take out of this what you will.

(06-07-2023 12:23 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The clear take on the WSU meeting minutes is that the board is giving President Schulz authority for the next six months to sign a grant of rights and approve a media deal the Pac-12 is able to present him, without needing to come back to the board for approval.

Washington State is not going anywhere. If the Pac-12 loses schools (which I think begins Friday), they will start backfilling with MWC schools and maybe SMU. I suspect the exodus might happen not all in one year but over two or three years, with some schools not signing the GoR.

For San Diego State, Colorado State (who seem to be 3rd line, and would not get called up unless a 3rd or 4th school exits) and any other MWC schools, June 30th is a key deadline to avoid a hefty jump in the exit fee ($17M tacked on), likely greater than the Pac-12 media rights would bring them, effectively delaying their coming on board for a year. No such deadline for SMU, as the American is 30 months, but a settlement price has been well established by several predecessors who left the league at around $16-17M (UConn, Cincy, Houston, UCF) and they have the funds to pay for the move. SMU is also willing to come in initially at a discount.

The Pac-12 has for itself a slightly different deadline, as their calendar year ends on August 1st, not June 30th like other conferences. While the time limit for a deal seems to have been reached by Colorado, Arizona is likely giving Kliavkoff a few more weeks, so I expect their possible exit to be in the July time frame. Oregon and Washington might be inclined to agree to a B1G move at a discount another year down the road, the 2025 season, should they work out a deal with Fox and the B1G (they'll take a steep discount to get in, very steep). That could buy the Pac-12 time to bring in additional MWC schools, and depending upon the media contract terms, possibly at reduced rate, much like we see UAB, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, FAU and Charlotte agreed in the AAC. (My WAG on the 4th school after SDSU, SMU and CSU is either UNLV or Fresno State)

The really major exodus could happen not now but in five years when the new contract nears expiration. Very volatile, and completely dependent upon whatever deal Kliavkoff can come up with. Not much time left for him to get it done. Hard deadlines approaching.

Keep dreaming. Arizona and Colorado is signing the GORs deal as well. Arizona State, Washington State, Utah and Oregon State have been working behind the scenes to keep any of the schools from jumping ship, and it worked. Colorado would announce they will agree to the GORs on Friday.