USF was just added to AAU today.

(06-01-2023 11:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF was just added to AAU today.

Yep, USF now checks off every box academically.

Just all comes down to athletics for them.

(06-01-2023 11:35 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF was just added to AAU today.

So was Miami.

This will never, ever happen.

But maybe.

Imagine if the B1G takes USF and Miami as a pair.

Do all UCF fans simultaneously immolate?

Wait for Florida and Georgia and Texas A&M to join Clemson, UNC, UVA, etc... in the Big Ten.

At that point, the SEC and Big Ten consolidate into one like the AFL and NFL.

(06-01-2023 11:16 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:33 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  No.

The Big Ten wanting to be in Florida (which is probably true) is much different than the Big Ten being *desperate* to be in Florida that they would take schools that clearly don't fit the league's institutional profile simply because of location.

USF is #97 nationally, tied with Auburn and Colorado. Acacemically, USF would fit into any conference. Athletically, at this time, is another story.

USF is academically ranked ahead of Arkansas, Oregon, Utah, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa St, Oklahoma, Alabama, Kentucky, Oregon St, Mississippi, Nebraska, Kasnsas St, LSU, Arkansas, Oklahoma St, Miss St, Washington St, TX Tech, and WVU. That's at least 24 P5 schools by my count that USF is either tied with or ranked ahead of.

USF is one of the highest ranked G5 programs academically, only behind the likes of Rice and SMU.

USF has made great strides, and a great institution. But as a newbie, being as "good as" the lower tier isn't enough. You would need to be in the top tier.

(06-01-2023 11:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:16 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:33 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  No.

The Big Ten wanting to be in Florida (which is probably true) is much different than the Big Ten being *desperate* to be in Florida that they would take schools that clearly don't fit the league's institutional profile simply because of location.

USF is #97 nationally, tied with Auburn and Colorado. Acacemically, USF would fit into any conference. Athletically, at this time, is another story.

USF is academically ranked ahead of Arkansas, Oregon, Utah, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa St, Oklahoma, Alabama, Kentucky, Oregon St, Mississippi, Nebraska, Kasnsas St, LSU, Arkansas, Oklahoma St, Miss St, Washington St, TX Tech, and WVU. That's at least 24 P5 schools by my count that USF is either tied with or ranked ahead of.

USF is one of the highest ranked G5 programs academically, only behind the likes of Rice and SMU.

USF has made great strides, and a great institution. But as a newbie, being as "good as" the lower tier isn't enough. You would need to be in the top tier.

They are. There are only 69 US based AAU schools. USF is now one of them. That is elite.

(06-01-2023 11:00 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:33 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  No.

The Big Ten wanting to be in Florida (which is probably true) is much different than the Big Ten being *desperate* to be in Florida that they would take schools that clearly don't fit the league's institutional profile simply because of location.

Do Miami and FSU fit the B1G's "institutional profile"? 1 small private with a checkered history of cheating their way to titles, 1 co-Flagship, neither is an actual full Flagship like the vast majority of B1G programs. Neither is AAU, and both would slot in at the very bottom of the B1G in ARWU, too. In response to your comment about ND above, part of the reason that ND is an exception is that they're Elite Academically, just without the research focus of most B1G schools. Neither Miami nor FSU can be construed as in any way "Elite" Academically.

The only reason for either to be on the B1G's radar is their historical success on the field and a theoretical determination of the B1G to "get into Florida". Miami hasn't finished in the top 10 in 2 decades, and they're isolated from most of the State. FSU has been excellent however, with 5 top 11 finishes in the past 11 years and 1 title, and they bring not only part of Florida but also a nice chunk of the Deep South.

If they're making exceptions for weaker or non-traditional B1G Academic fits, then Clemson would be a far better exception than Miami. Clemson is quite comparable academically to Miami, in fact they both have a 1310 average SAT. Miami is stronger in ARWU, but Clemson is a co-Flagship. Clemson is 100 miles closer to Tallahassee than Miami is. Clemson is actually elite on the field RIGHT NOW with 2 recent titles and 11 straight years in the top 15 in the final AP poll. And Clemson, like FSU, is one of the very few schools that the B1G could add that would bother the SEC.

Notre Dame was just added to AAU

(06-01-2023 12:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:00 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:33 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  No.

The Big Ten wanting to be in Florida (which is probably true) is much different than the Big Ten being *desperate* to be in Florida that they would take schools that clearly don't fit the league's institutional profile simply because of location.

Do Miami and FSU fit the B1G's "institutional profile"? 1 small private with a checkered history of cheating their way to titles, 1 co-Flagship, neither is an actual full Flagship like the vast majority of B1G programs. Neither is AAU, and both would slot in at the very bottom of the B1G in ARWU, too. In response to your comment about ND above, part of the reason that ND is an exception is that they're Elite Academically, just without the research focus of most B1G schools. Neither Miami nor FSU can be construed as in any way "Elite" Academically.

The only reason for either to be on the B1G's radar is their historical success on the field and a theoretical determination of the B1G to "get into Florida". Miami hasn't finished in the top 10 in 2 decades, and they're isolated from most of the State. FSU has been excellent however, with 5 top 11 finishes in the past 11 years and 1 title, and they bring not only part of Florida but also a nice chunk of the Deep South.

If they're making exceptions for weaker or non-traditional B1G Academic fits, then Clemson would be a far better exception than Miami. Clemson is quite comparable academically to Miami, in fact they both have a 1310 average SAT. Miami is stronger in ARWU, but Clemson is a co-Flagship. Clemson is 100 miles closer to Tallahassee than Miami is. Clemson is actually elite on the field RIGHT NOW with 2 recent titles and 11 straight years in the top 15 in the final AP poll. And Clemson, like FSU, is one of the very few schools that the B1G could add that would bother the SEC.

Notre Dame was just added to AAU

Yeah, I was about to come in here and scrub some posts. May as well leave them now, but I think that the dynamic has changed.

Miami ++
FSU -

USF and Miami getting in, while FSU got the stiff-arm again isn't a killer for FSU, but it does make it that much more likely that they end up in the SEC instead of B1G. As for ND? They didn't need the AAU to be Elite Academically, this is just a recognition of their Excellence.

(06-01-2023 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:16 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:33 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  No.

The Big Ten wanting to be in Florida (which is probably true) is much different than the Big Ten being *desperate* to be in Florida that they would take schools that clearly don't fit the league's institutional profile simply because of location.

USF is #97 nationally, tied with Auburn and Colorado. Acacemically, USF would fit into any conference. Athletically, at this time, is another story.

USF is academically ranked ahead of Arkansas, Oregon, Utah, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa St, Oklahoma, Alabama, Kentucky, Oregon St, Mississippi, Nebraska, Kasnsas St, LSU, Arkansas, Oklahoma St, Miss St, Washington St, TX Tech, and WVU. That's at least 24 P5 schools by my count that USF is either tied with or ranked ahead of.

USF is one of the highest ranked G5 programs academically, only behind the likes of Rice and SMU.

USF has made great strides, and a great institution. But as a newbie, being as "good as" the lower tier isn't enough. You would need to be in the top tier.

They are. There are only 69 US based AAU schools. USF is now one of them. That is elite.

We didn't know that USF had literally JUST NOW joined the AAU. Clearly, this designation makes a big difference for them. If I made a new list of Florida schools for the B1G right now:

Florida - duh
FSU/Miami
USF

UCF

Any of those top 4 could be candidates, now or in the future (probably distant future for USF but it's possible).

I also wonder how this impacts USF to the SEC. JR has brought this up numerous times, and many of us just kind of either ignored it or thought it was completely out of left field. It's not in left field any more. And USF moving to the P5, probably the big 12 or ACC, is now a near-certainty, it's just a matter of time.

I would go so far as to say that USF might have just vaulted into the #1 g5 spot for any potential big 12 additions.

(06-01-2023 10:54 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:33 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  No.

The Big Ten wanting to be in Florida (which is probably true) is much different than the Big Ten being *desperate* to be in Florida that they would take schools that clearly don't fit the league's institutional profile simply because of location.

What is the Big Ten’s institutional profile these days?

Because USF (#97 USNews) doesn’t seem like that much of a stretch anymore. Plus all Tampa transplants can fill up RayJay.

The Big Ten probably has the clearest institutional profile for its league of them all: flagship/flagship-equivalents (e.g. UCLA, Michigan State) and elite private schools. USC and UCLA *are* perfect institutional fits (even if they aren't geographic fits for the traditional footprint).

AAU status is highly preferred, although ND is a clear exception and they'd likely disregard it for a handful of other key schools (like Miami and FSU).

Now, of course, new schools also need to make money for the league. Hence, there is no Big Ten interest in Rice (despite great academics and location) and that would be the same case for USF.

Welp, look at me ahead or the curve!

USF could make the Big Ten money, so if you all want a flag in Florida before 2036, there ye have it!

(06-01-2023 12:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:16 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:33 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  No.

The Big Ten wanting to be in Florida (which is probably true) is much different than the Big Ten being *desperate* to be in Florida that they would take schools that clearly don't fit the league's institutional profile simply because of location.

USF is #97 nationally, tied with Auburn and Colorado. Acacemically, USF would fit into any conference. Athletically, at this time, is another story.

USF is academically ranked ahead of Arkansas, Oregon, Utah, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa St, Oklahoma, Alabama, Kentucky, Oregon St, Mississippi, Nebraska, Kasnsas St, LSU, Arkansas, Oklahoma St, Miss St, Washington St, TX Tech, and WVU. That's at least 24 P5 schools by my count that USF is either tied with or ranked ahead of.

USF is one of the highest ranked G5 programs academically, only behind the likes of Rice and SMU.

USF has made great strides, and a great institution. But as a newbie, being as "good as" the lower tier isn't enough. You would need to be in the top tier.

They are. There are only 69 US based AAU schools. USF is now one of them. That is elite.

We didn't know that USF had literally JUST NOW joined the AAU. Clearly, this designation makes a big difference for them. If I made a new list of Florida schools for the B1G right now:

Florida - duh
FSU/Miami
USF

UCF

Any of those top 4 could be candidates, now or in the future (probably distant future for USF but it's possible).

I also wonder how this impacts USF to the SEC. JR has brought this up numerous times, and many of us just kind of either ignored it or thought it was completely out of left field. It's not in left field any more. And USF moving to the P5, probably the big 12 or ACC, is now a near-certainty, it's just a matter of time.

I would go so far as to say that USF might have just vaulted into the #1 g5 spot for any potential big 12 additions.

I tend to agree. This is absolutely huge for USF. I guarantee you USF is burning up phone lines to the ACC and Big 12 right now, and possibly other conferences.

(06-01-2023 12:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:16 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 10:33 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  No.

The Big Ten wanting to be in Florida (which is probably true) is much different than the Big Ten being *desperate* to be in Florida that they would take schools that clearly don't fit the league's institutional profile simply because of location.

USF is #97 nationally, tied with Auburn and Colorado. Acacemically, USF would fit into any conference. Athletically, at this time, is another story.

USF is academically ranked ahead of Arkansas, Oregon, Utah, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa St, Oklahoma, Alabama, Kentucky, Oregon St, Mississippi, Nebraska, Kasnsas St, LSU, Arkansas, Oklahoma St, Miss St, Washington St, TX Tech, and WVU. That's at least 24 P5 schools by my count that USF is either tied with or ranked ahead of.

USF is one of the highest ranked G5 programs academically, only behind the likes of Rice and SMU.

USF has made great strides, and a great institution. But as a newbie, being as "good as" the lower tier isn't enough. You would need to be in the top tier.

They are. There are only 69 US based AAU schools. USF is now one of them. That is elite.

We didn't know that USF had literally JUST NOW joined the AAU. Clearly, this designation makes a big difference for them. If I made a new list of Florida schools for the B1G right now:

Florida - duh
FSU/Miami
USF

UCF

Any of those top 4 could be candidates, now or in the future (probably distant future for USF but it's possible).

I also wonder how this impacts USF to the SEC. JR has brought this up numerous times, and many of us just kind of either ignored it or thought it was completely out of left field. It's not in left field any more. And USF moving to the P5, probably the big 12 or ACC, is now a near-certainty, it's just a matter of time.

I would go so far as to say that USF might have just vaulted into the #1 g5 spot for any potential big 12 additions.

Disagree. The Big 12 would still rather add Memphis or PAC 12 refugees. Maybe even San Diego St. USF is not a good athletic brand. If it doesnt make money, it doesnt make sense.

(06-01-2023 01:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 12:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:16 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF is #97 nationally, tied with Auburn and Colorado. Acacemically, USF would fit into any conference. Athletically, at this time, is another story.

USF is academically ranked ahead of Arkansas, Oregon, Utah, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa St, Oklahoma, Alabama, Kentucky, Oregon St, Mississippi, Nebraska, Kasnsas St, LSU, Arkansas, Oklahoma St, Miss St, Washington St, TX Tech, and WVU. That's at least 24 P5 schools by my count that USF is either tied with or ranked ahead of.

USF is one of the highest ranked G5 programs academically, only behind the likes of Rice and SMU.

USF has made great strides, and a great institution. But as a newbie, being as "good as" the lower tier isn't enough. You would need to be in the top tier.

They are. There are only 69 US based AAU schools. USF is now one of them. That is elite.

We didn't know that USF had literally JUST NOW joined the AAU. Clearly, this designation makes a big difference for them. If I made a new list of Florida schools for the B1G right now:

Florida - duh
FSU/Miami
USF

UCF

Any of those top 4 could be candidates, now or in the future (probably distant future for USF but it's possible).

I also wonder how this impacts USF to the SEC. JR has brought this up numerous times, and many of us just kind of either ignored it or thought it was completely out of left field. It's not in left field any more. And USF moving to the P5, probably the big 12 or ACC, is now a near-certainty, it's just a matter of time.

I would go so far as to say that USF might have just vaulted into the #1 g5 spot for any potential big 12 additions.

Disagree. The Big 12 would still rather add Memphis or PAC 12 refugees. Maybe even San Diego St. USF is not a good athletic brand. If it doesnt make money, it doesnt make sense.

USF hasn't been good recently, but at times has been very good, including top 25 finishes to a season in football not that long ago. USF will be very good again at some point relatively soon.

Its all about the on field product, fan following, and facilities. Sure, USF has academics with AAU..... but so does Tulane, Rice, Buffalo, and Stony Brook. Over the next 10 years, if they complete that stadium, get that fan base back, and actually perform well athletically........ they will be a great candidate for any P4 conference (PAC isn't gonna exist soon).

(06-01-2023 01:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 01:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 12:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  USF has made great strides, and a great institution. But as a newbie, being as "good as" the lower tier isn't enough. You would need to be in the top tier.

They are. There are only 69 US based AAU schools. USF is now one of them. That is elite.

We didn't know that USF had literally JUST NOW joined the AAU. Clearly, this designation makes a big difference for them. If I made a new list of Florida schools for the B1G right now:

Florida - duh
FSU/Miami
USF

UCF

Any of those top 4 could be candidates, now or in the future (probably distant future for USF but it's possible).

I also wonder how this impacts USF to the SEC. JR has brought this up numerous times, and many of us just kind of either ignored it or thought it was completely out of left field. It's not in left field any more. And USF moving to the P5, probably the big 12 or ACC, is now a near-certainty, it's just a matter of time.

I would go so far as to say that USF might have just vaulted into the #1 g5 spot for any potential big 12 additions.

Disagree. The Big 12 would still rather add Memphis or PAC 12 refugees. Maybe even San Diego St. USF is not a good athletic brand. If it doesnt make money, it doesnt make sense.

USF hasn't been good recently, but at times has been very good, including top 25 finishes to a season in football not that long ago. USF will be very good again at some point relatively soon.

The ACC or Big 12 can do much better than USF. The P2 have zero interest in them.

(06-01-2023 02:02 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 01:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 01:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 12:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  They are. There are only 69 US based AAU schools. USF is now one of them. That is elite.

We didn't know that USF had literally JUST NOW joined the AAU. Clearly, this designation makes a big difference for them. If I made a new list of Florida schools for the B1G right now:

Florida - duh
FSU/Miami
USF

UCF

Any of those top 4 could be candidates, now or in the future (probably distant future for USF but it's possible).

I also wonder how this impacts USF to the SEC. JR has brought this up numerous times, and many of us just kind of either ignored it or thought it was completely out of left field. It's not in left field any more. And USF moving to the P5, probably the big 12 or ACC, is now a near-certainty, it's just a matter of time.

I would go so far as to say that USF might have just vaulted into the #1 g5 spot for any potential big 12 additions.

Disagree. The Big 12 would still rather add Memphis or PAC 12 refugees. Maybe even San Diego St. USF is not a good athletic brand. If it doesnt make money, it doesnt make sense.

USF hasn't been good recently, but at times has been very good, including top 25 finishes to a season in football not that long ago. USF will be very good again at some point relatively soon.

The ACC or Big 12 can do much better than USF. The P2 have zero interest in them.

I think the chances are very slim but non-zero.

If I am the SEC and have unilateral control over who joins, I'm taking FSU, Miami, VT, and UNC. (Personal preference there, because I want to see Clemson without Dabo first as South Carolina is a "small state.") If we wind up losing Miami to the Big 10, USF may be appealing, especially in a move to 24.

(06-01-2023 02:02 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 01:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 01:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 12:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  They are. There are only 69 US based AAU schools. USF is now one of them. That is elite.

We didn't know that USF had literally JUST NOW joined the AAU. Clearly, this designation makes a big difference for them. If I made a new list of Florida schools for the B1G right now:

Florida - duh
FSU/Miami
USF

UCF

Any of those top 4 could be candidates, now or in the future (probably distant future for USF but it's possible).

I also wonder how this impacts USF to the SEC. JR has brought this up numerous times, and many of us just kind of either ignored it or thought it was completely out of left field. It's not in left field any more. And USF moving to the P5, probably the big 12 or ACC, is now a near-certainty, it's just a matter of time.

I would go so far as to say that USF might have just vaulted into the #1 g5 spot for any potential big 12 additions.

Disagree. The Big 12 would still rather add Memphis or PAC 12 refugees. Maybe even San Diego St. USF is not a good athletic brand. If it doesnt make money, it doesnt make sense.

USF hasn't been good recently, but at times has been very good, including top 25 finishes to a season in football not that long ago. USF will be very good again at some point relatively soon.

The ACC or Big 12 can do much better than USF. The P2 have zero interest in them.

Why are you so mad?

(06-01-2023 04:03 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 02:02 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 01:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 01:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 12:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  We didn't know that USF had literally JUST NOW joined the AAU. Clearly, this designation makes a big difference for them. If I made a new list of Florida schools for the B1G right now:

Florida - duh
FSU/Miami
USF

UCF

Any of those top 4 could be candidates, now or in the future (probably distant future for USF but it's possible).

I also wonder how this impacts USF to the SEC. JR has brought this up numerous times, and many of us just kind of either ignored it or thought it was completely out of left field. It's not in left field any more. And USF moving to the P5, probably the big 12 or ACC, is now a near-certainty, it's just a matter of time.

I would go so far as to say that USF might have just vaulted into the #1 g5 spot for any potential big 12 additions.

Disagree. The Big 12 would still rather add Memphis or PAC 12 refugees. Maybe even San Diego St. USF is not a good athletic brand. If it doesnt make money, it doesnt make sense.

USF hasn't been good recently, but at times has been very good, including top 25 finishes to a season in football not that long ago. USF will be very good again at some point relatively soon.

The ACC or Big 12 can do much better than USF. The P2 have zero interest in them.

Why are you so mad?

Speaking bluntly and telling the truth is being mad now? Some of you guys love that, allegedly.

(06-01-2023 04:03 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 02:02 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 01:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 01:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-01-2023 12:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  We didn't know that USF had literally JUST NOW joined the AAU. Clearly, this designation makes a big difference for them. If I made a new list of Florida schools for the B1G right now:

Florida - duh
FSU/Miami
USF

UCF

Any of those top 4 could be candidates, now or in the future (probably distant future for USF but it's possible).

I also wonder how this impacts USF to the SEC. JR has brought this up numerous times, and many of us just kind of either ignored it or thought it was completely out of left field. It's not in left field any more. And USF moving to the P5, probably the big 12 or ACC, is now a near-certainty, it's just a matter of time.

I would go so far as to say that USF might have just vaulted into the #1 g5 spot for any potential big 12 additions.

Disagree. The Big 12 would still rather add Memphis or PAC 12 refugees. Maybe even San Diego St. USF is not a good athletic brand. If it doesnt make money, it doesnt make sense.

USF hasn't been good recently, but at times has been very good, including top 25 finishes to a season in football not that long ago. USF will be very good again at some point relatively soon.

The ACC or Big 12 can do much better than USF. The P2 have zero interest in them.

Why are you so mad?

Because he's a UTEP fan.