(05-19-2023 02:26 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  4h
Option 4: The Magnificent 7 dissolves the league! Few things: 1) That name is a made-up joke from McMurphy. No AD was calling it that. 2) There have been LOTS of side convos among schools: The 7 mentioned have talked. So have smaller groups. So have schools outside the 7. 17/

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Yes, those 7 had lawyers review the GoR. So did most of the other 7. "You'd be stupid not to," one AD said. And no AD would confirm a nuclear option is even possible legally. Me & @aadelsonESPN
wrote about this in early March... 18/

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But let's indulge the idea. As noted, the B12 isn't more $ and no more than maybe 5 schools are likely to have an SEC/B1G invite (and maybe not that many). So why would they blow up the ACC now? Answer: They wouldn't. An AD from The 7 on this plan: "Completely absurd." 19/

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devoid of analysis ...
take at face value ...

TRUST ME

Absurd

Sincerely,

BC

wait till pac contract surprises to upside ...

TURN UP THE HEAT

a solution exists to revenue shortfall ...
short of dissolution ...
relatively painless ...
that this guy overlooks ...
b/c he doesn’t think for himself ...

DOOM & GLOOM

(05-19-2023 03:40 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  What I read from Dave Hale is what I already knew. ADs at ACC schools don't like the revenue gap between the ACC and the Big 10 and SEC. There aren't any real options to change this gap in any significant way until the ACC's contract with Disney ends many years from now. Many of the ADs keep whining about the gap and insisting that somebody must find a way out for them. Whininess hasn't gotten them anywhere and won't. Solutions don't come to pass merely because you feel a strong need for them to come to pass. Don't chase pipe dreams like breaking the GORs or dissolving the conference. If either were practical, it would have already happened. There's a gap and that gap is likely to remain for a long time to come.

You don't know there aren't any real options—especially now that enough ADs are 'whining' to dissolve the league.

ESPN has all the incentive it could ask for to step up now and try to broker something. We'll see.

ESPN could overpay for ACC expansion to quiet down talks of dissolving the ACC. If they wanted to, they could satisfy all parties and still make money.

All of the ACC really should embrace the incentive based unequal revenue sharing model. The ACC needs to expand, but how do you attract top brands (that would raise the floor) with out a carrot to Of͏fe͏r?

If you are one of the schools that the networks see as less valuable, then could a pay cut now mean a hefty raise in the future?

How many votes to dissolve the conference ?
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ?

Depending on those answers, Could be 8 or 9 schools tell espn pay up now or we dissolve the conference and start over.

(05-20-2023 10:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  How many votes to dissolve the conference ?
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ?

Depending on those answers, Could be 8 or 9 schools tell espn pay up now or we dissolve the conference and start over.

I suspect that is the poker game being played here.

(05-20-2023 11:14 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 10:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  How many votes to dissolve the conference ?
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ?

Depending on those answers, Could be 8 or 9 schools tell espn pay up now or we dissolve the conference and start over.

I suspect that is the poker game being played here.

The ESPN contract isn’t just with the conference. Each school is a party to the contract.

There’s no poker game going on, just wishful thinking.

(05-20-2023 12:13 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 11:14 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 10:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  How many votes to dissolve the conference ?
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ?

Depending on those answers, Could be 8 or 9 schools tell espn pay up now or we dissolve the conference and start over.

I suspect that is the poker game being played here.

The ESPN contract isn’t just with the conference. Each school is a party to the contract.

There’s no poker game going on, just wishful thinking.

If that is the case, then threatening to dissolve the ACC (if that is the actual end game) has no teeth and this is all a show, but who is it a show for?

What are the specifics of the contract? Is FSU, Duke, UNC, etc are named and required to play a specific amount of games? Or is the collective ACC required a specific amount of games? If it’s the latter, what prevents USF replacing FSU?

(05-20-2023 10:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  How many votes to dissolve the conference ? simple majority
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ? loaded question

Depending on those answers, Could be 8 or 9 schools tell espn pay up now or we dissolve the conference and start over.

espn’s in on it ...

NATURE ABHORS A VACUUM

(05-20-2023 01:09 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 12:13 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 11:14 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 10:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  How many votes to dissolve the conference ?
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ?

Depending on those answers, Could be 8 or 9 schools tell espn pay up now or we dissolve the conference and start over.

I suspect that is the poker game being played here.

The ESPN contract isn’t just with the conference. Each school is a party to the contract.

There’s no poker game going on, just wishful thinking.

If that is the case, then threatening to dissolve the ACC (if that is the actual end game) has no teeth and this is all a show, but who is it a show for?

What are the specifics of the contract? Is FSU, Duke, UNC, etc are named and required to play a specific amount of games? Or is the collective ACC required a specific amount of games? If it’s the latter, what prevents USF replacing FSU?

voting bloc ...

SHOW OF STRENGTH

(05-20-2023 01:09 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 12:13 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 11:14 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 10:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  How many votes to dissolve the conference ?
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ?

Depending on those answers, Could be 8 or 9 schools tell espn pay up now or we dissolve the conference and start over.

I suspect that is the poker game being played here.

The ESPN contract isn’t just with the conference. Each school is a party to the contract.

There’s no poker game going on, just wishful thinking.

If that is the case, then threatening to dissolve the ACC (if that is the actual end game) has no teeth and this is all a show, but who is it a show for?

What are the specifics of the contract? Is FSU, Duke, UNC, etc are named and required to play a specific amount of games? Or is the collective ACC required a specific amount of games? If it’s the latter, what prevents USF replacing FSU?

for public consumption ...
conditioning fan bases so as to not shock the system ...

THE LONG GOODBYE

(05-20-2023 12:13 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 11:14 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 10:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  How many votes to dissolve the conference ?
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ?

Depending on those answers, Could be 8 or 9 schools tell espn pay up now or we dissolve the conference and start over.

I suspect that is the poker game being played here.

The ESPN contract isn’t just with the conference. Each school is a party to the contract.

There’s no poker game going on, just wishful thinking.

sec and big 12 would absorb a plurality of signatories ...
espn, the rights holder ...

ALL IS NOT LOST

(05-20-2023 10:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  How many votes to dissolve the conference ?
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ?

Depending on those answers, Could be 8 or 9 schools tell espn pay up now or we dissolve the conference and start over.

This question has been answered a dozen times.

Per State of NC Law, 8 members can dissolve the conference.

However that does not dissolve the contracts so it continues to take 10 votes to deal with contract matters.

It takes 12 votes to expel a member or add a member.

(05-20-2023 01:09 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 12:13 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 11:14 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 10:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  How many votes to dissolve the conference ?
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ?

Depending on those answers, Could be 8 or 9 schools tell espn pay up now or we dissolve the conference and start over.

I suspect that is the poker game being played here.

The ESPN contract isn’t just with the conference. Each school is a party to the contract.

There’s no poker game going on, just wishful thinking.

If that is the case, then threatening to dissolve the ACC (if that is the actual end game) has no teeth and this is all a show, but who is it a show for?

What are the specifics of the contract? Is FSU, Duke, UNC, etc are named and required to play a specific amount of games? Or is the collective ACC required a specific amount of games? If it’s the latter, what prevents USF replacing FSU?

The show seems to be for your fans and boosters. It has all the hallmarks of professional wrestling.

How many of you have had to follow up a speaker who told a **** ton of lies?

Ever been sent into a crowd of ordinary folks to talk to them about something complicated?


Average IQ fans and fans with only so much time to spend on these subjects, only know the superficial details of this stuff and only read headlines. They do believe lies from the sites they are used to visiting. Some of it is confirmation bias. Some of it is a lack of intellect. A lot of it is the inability to reason like a rich person or wealthy entity who makes decisions on a different time scale than do the average person.

How many times do you hear people discuss financial issues as if their local government, state government, or federal government is a single family household? All the time.


You can attempt to clean up the bull **** one person at a time or allow a critical mass explosion of bull **** and then step in when everyone is looking and listening. I hate that. But had to learn to bite my tongue and do it that way because the other way was too slow.

FSU's AD is either a moron, or he helped gin this up to address the issue and look good for his people. As he agitated his folks in rural Florida he spread it to South Carolina.

(05-20-2023 04:47 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  How many of you have had to follow up a speaker who told a **** ton of lies?

Ever been sent into a crowd of ordinary folks to talk to them about something complicated?


Average IQ fans and fans with only so much time to spend on these subjects, only know the superficial details of this stuff and only read headlines. They do believe lies from the sites they are used to visiting. Some of it is confirmation bias. Some of it is a lack of intellect. A lot of it is the inability to reason like a rich person or wealthy entity who makes decisions on a different time scale than do the average person.

How many times do you hear people discuss financial issues as if their local government, state government, or federal government is a single family household? All the time.


You can attempt to clean up the bull **** one person at a time or allow a critical mass explosion of bull **** and then step in when everyone is looking and listening. I hate that. But had to learn to bite my tongue and do it that way because the other way was too slow.

FSU's AD is either a moron, or he helped gin this up to address the issue and look good for his people. As he agitated his folks in rural Florida he spread it to South Carolina.

Everyone's a rube except you, eh?

Well... Someone's into wishful thinking.

(05-20-2023 10:43 AM)bluesox Wrote:  How many votes to dissolve the conference ? 12, IIRC (3/4ths)
Does dissolving the conference end the GOR ? NO, I don't think so

Quote:There is no language in the ACC’s bylaws and constitution covering dissolution of the conference, other than a standard boilerplate clause about the distribution of property. The North Carolina law governing the dissolution of nonprofits would theoretically apply, requiring only a majority of voting members to agree to it. (Notre Dame, for some reason, gets a full vote and not 20 percent of a vote, even though it only gets a one-fifth share of revenue. That has never been sufficiently explained.)

If it only takes eight votes to disband the ACC...

DOUBTING THOMAS