(05-15-2023 12:43 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 09:43 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This is a great piece. I'm kind of shocked that this thread doesn't have 50 comments already. It has a LOT of information and specifics and it's from a real reputable reporter. We've got tons of comments on Monty Show threads and random Tweets from people with agendas... but no one is commenting on what might be the most news-packed actual report on P5 realignment that we've seen in months? No one wants to talk about the group of 7 ACC schools that have been meeting together about revenue and legal options (and what those options are and who that group of 7 might be)? No one wants to talk about the Big 12 looking at SDSU, UNLV, UConn and Memphis as legit expansion options? All of this from a legitimate reporter from a major news outlet as opposed to a random podcast/YouTube/Twitter personality?!

Dellenger has impressed me as much as any reporter in this round of realignment: very thorough, researches the story from all angles, and isn't just parroting one particular side's agenda.

Because most of us already knew about the ACC part and UConn.
and he’s not exactly correct on some of the other aspects.

In the world of disruptive realignment, the randoms will have it before “reputable” reporter. One just has to be able to discern, which is difficult if you have your type of agenda and bias.

So, based on the article, the PAC12 and XII would look like…

XII
- UCF, Cincinnati, WVU, Memphis
- Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State
- Houston, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
- BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, ?

ACC
- Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, NC State, Georgia Tech, Miami
- Louisville, Virginia, VT, Pitt, Syracuse, BC

PAC12
- Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, SMU, SDSU
- Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State

(05-15-2023 12:48 PM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 12:43 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 09:43 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This is a great piece. I'm kind of shocked that this thread doesn't have 50 comments already. It has a LOT of information and specifics and it's from a real reputable reporter. We've got tons of comments on Monty Show threads and random Tweets from people with agendas... but no one is commenting on what might be the most news-packed actual report on P5 realignment that we've seen in months? No one wants to talk about the group of 7 ACC schools that have been meeting together about revenue and legal options (and what those options are and who that group of 7 might be)? No one wants to talk about the Big 12 looking at SDSU, UNLV, UConn and Memphis as legit expansion options? All of this from a legitimate reporter from a major news outlet as opposed to a random podcast/YouTube/Twitter personality?!

Dellenger has impressed me as much as any reporter in this round of realignment: very thorough, researches the story from all angles, and isn't just parroting one particular side's agenda.

Because most of us already knew about the ACC part and UConn.
and he’s not exactly correct on some of the other aspects.

In the world of disruptive realignment, the randoms will have it before “reputable” reporter. One just has to be able to discern, which is difficult if you have your type of agenda and bias.

So, based on the article, the PAC12 and XII would look like…

XII
- UCF, Cincinnati, WVU, Memphis
- Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State
- Houston, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
- BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, ?

ACC
- Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, NC State, Georgia Tech, Miami
- Louisville, Virginia, VT, Pitt, Syracuse, BC

PAC12
- Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, SMU, SDSU
- Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State

He mentioned a large group of potential big 12 expansion candidates, not "they're taking every single one of these schools that they can get".

Interesting that Fresno St was nowhere to be found on said list.

(05-15-2023 12:48 PM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 12:43 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 09:43 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This is a great piece. I'm kind of shocked that this thread doesn't have 50 comments already. It has a LOT of information and specifics and it's from a real reputable reporter. We've got tons of comments on Monty Show threads and random Tweets from people with agendas... but no one is commenting on what might be the most news-packed actual report on P5 realignment that we've seen in months? No one wants to talk about the group of 7 ACC schools that have been meeting together about revenue and legal options (and what those options are and who that group of 7 might be)? No one wants to talk about the Big 12 looking at SDSU, UNLV, UConn and Memphis as legit expansion options? All of this from a legitimate reporter from a major news outlet as opposed to a random podcast/YouTube/Twitter personality?!

Dellenger has impressed me as much as any reporter in this round of realignment: very thorough, researches the story from all angles, and isn't just parroting one particular side's agenda.

Because most of us already knew about the ACC part and UConn.
and he’s not exactly correct on some of the other aspects.

In the world of disruptive realignment, the randoms will have it before “reputable” reporter. One just has to be able to discern, which is difficult if you have your type of agenda and bias.

So, based on the article, the PAC12 and XII would look like…

XII
- UCF, Cincinnati, WVU, Memphis
- Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State
- Houston, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
- BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, ?

ACC
- Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, NC State, Georgia Tech, Miami
- Louisville, Virginia, VT, Pitt, Syracuse, BC

PAC12
- Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, SMU, SDSU
- Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State

Also, if Oregon, Washington, UNC, UVA, Miami, and Duke leaves…this leaves the XII in the strongest position to go from 16 to 24

XII
- UCF, Memphis, VT, NC State
- Louisville, Cincinnati, WVU, Pitt
- Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State
- Houston, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
- Fresno State, Boise State, Arizona, Arizona State
- Utah, Colorado, BYU, Colorado State

ACC
- Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, BC

PAC12
- SMU, SDSU, Cal, Stanford, Washington State, Oregon State

Memphis makes sense as a B12 addition. Glad to see the Tigers mentioned.

(05-15-2023 12:48 PM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 12:43 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 09:43 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This is a great piece. I'm kind of shocked that this thread doesn't have 50 comments already. It has a LOT of information and specifics and it's from a real reputable reporter. We've got tons of comments on Monty Show threads and random Tweets from people with agendas... but no one is commenting on what might be the most news-packed actual report on P5 realignment that we've seen in months? No one wants to talk about the group of 7 ACC schools that have been meeting together about revenue and legal options (and what those options are and who that group of 7 might be)? No one wants to talk about the Big 12 looking at SDSU, UNLV, UConn and Memphis as legit expansion options? All of this from a legitimate reporter from a major news outlet as opposed to a random podcast/YouTube/Twitter personality?!

Dellenger has impressed me as much as any reporter in this round of realignment: very thorough, researches the story from all angles, and isn't just parroting one particular side's agenda.

Because most of us already knew about the ACC part and UConn.
and he’s not exactly correct on some of the other aspects.

In the world of disruptive realignment, the randoms will have it before “reputable” reporter. One just has to be able to discern, which is difficult if you have your type of agenda and bias.

So, based on the article, the PAC12 and XII would look like…

XII
- UCF, Cincinnati, WVU, Memphis
- Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State
- Houston, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
- BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, ?

ACC
- Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, NC State, Georgia Tech, Miami
- Louisville, Virginia, VT, Pitt, Syracuse, BC

PAC12
- Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, SMU, SDSU
- Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State

A merger of all three is the best option.

Can you imagine the Big 12 landing GaTech? Why add Memphis now?

(05-15-2023 02:24 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Can you imagine the Big 12 landing GaTech? Why add Memphis now?

Yeah with this news coming out today the Big 12 would be stupid to add UConn or any current G5 school until at least the dust settles with the PAC media deal and the ACC conundrum

(05-15-2023 02:25 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 02:24 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Can you imagine the Big 12 landing GaTech? Why add Memphis now?

Yeah with this news coming out today the Big 12 would be stupid to add UConn or any current G5 school until at least the dust settles with the PAC media deal and the ACC conundrum

that might be till 36. no point in waiting cause if it it makes sense now it will be good enough

Can Sports Illustrated make it?

At this point I think many of the journalists covering realignment or less likely to get a “next contract” than any of the imperiled conferences they cover.

(05-15-2023 12:53 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 12:48 PM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  So, based on the article, the PAC12 and XII would look like…

XII
- UCF, Cincinnati, WVU, Memphis
- Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State
- Houston, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
- BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, ?

ACC
- Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, NC State, Georgia Tech, Miami
- Louisville, Virginia, VT, Pitt, Syracuse, BC

PAC12
- Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, SMU, SDSU
- Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State

He mentioned a large group of potential big 12 expansion candidates, not "they're taking every single one of these schools that they can get".

Interesting that Fresno St was nowhere to be found on said list.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/05/15/co...onferences

Quote:Big 12 leaders discussed a list of expansion targets, four of them residing in the Pac-12: Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State and Utah.

Other targets are from a variety of leagues: San Diego State and UNLV from the Mountain West; UConn, which is independent in football and in the Big East in basketball; and Memphis, from the American. There are others, too, such as Colorado State, SMU and Fresno, but they seem further down the pecking order.

They just left off "state". Not the first oversight/typo that we've seen in the article : )

(05-15-2023 12:53 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 12:48 PM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 12:43 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 09:43 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This is a great piece. I'm kind of shocked that this thread doesn't have 50 comments already. It has a LOT of information and specifics and it's from a real reputable reporter. We've got tons of comments on Monty Show threads and random Tweets from people with agendas... but no one is commenting on what might be the most news-packed actual report on P5 realignment that we've seen in months? No one wants to talk about the group of 7 ACC schools that have been meeting together about revenue and legal options (and what those options are and who that group of 7 might be)? No one wants to talk about the Big 12 looking at SDSU, UNLV, UConn and Memphis as legit expansion options? All of this from a legitimate reporter from a major news outlet as opposed to a random podcast/YouTube/Twitter personality?!

Dellenger has impressed me as much as any reporter in this round of realignment: very thorough, researches the story from all angles, and isn't just parroting one particular side's agenda.

Because most of us already knew about the ACC part and UConn.
and he’s not exactly correct on some of the other aspects.

In the world of disruptive realignment, the randoms will have it before “reputable” reporter. One just has to be able to discern, which is difficult if you have your type of agenda and bias.

So, based on the article, the PAC12 and XII would look like…

XII
- UCF, Cincinnati, WVU, Memphis
- Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State
- Houston, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
- BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, ?

ACC
- Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, NC State, Georgia Tech, Miami
- Louisville, Virginia, VT, Pitt, Syracuse, BC

PAC12
- Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, SMU, SDSU
- Cal, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State

He mentioned a large group of potential big 12 expansion candidates, not "they're taking every single one of these schools that they can get".

Interesting that Fresno St was nowhere to be found on said list.

Nor did he ask anyone with knowledge - or he'd know that only UConn has the votes (and only in a specific situation).

(05-15-2023 09:45 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Major Takeaways:

Secret 7 in the ACC

Quote:While the Pac-12 and Big 12 fight their western expansion battle, the ACC is, in many ways, fighting internally.

A subset of seven schools in the 14-member conference has coalesced over what many of them describe as an untenable situation. Officials from the seven schools, led by Florida State and Clemson, have met a handful of times over the last several months, with their lawyers examining the grant-of-rights to determine just how unbreakable it is.

Quote:If the seven agree to dissolve the current grant-of-rights agreement (we don’t know yet if this is a possibility), they may add a couple of more schools and begin their own association in hopes of it being more lucrative. This comes with its own issues, of course. You’d need a broadcast partner or private equity to fund such an endeavor. And, as one official asks, “Will it really be that much more lucrative?”

WHAT?! There are 7 within the ACC that are discussing killing the conference and forming a new conference!

SDSU Exit Fee "Triples" on July 1

Quote:One thing is certain: The Pac-12 plans to expand by adding San Diego State and maybe SMU coinciding with its completion of a new TV deal. But there is a deadline. To start play in 2024, San Diego State owes the Mountain West an exit fee of about $17 million. That triples in cost on July 1, a reason for a quasi-deadline to the situation.

That's a bombshell I was not expecting.

SDSU's exit fee is currently $17 Million but after July 1st it becomes $51 Million!

Big 12 could expand end of the month

Quote:Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark is aggressively pursuing expansion targets in an attempt to reach 14 or 16 members. Top priority are the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah, but there are plenty of other potential replacements if the Pac-12 programs choose to stay.

Though San Diego State seems bound for the Pac-12—it is their preference—Yormark has held conversations with the school’s leadership about being the Big 12’s only program in the Pacific Time zone. UConn, the reigning men’s basketball champions, is a play for a foothold in the northeast as well as adding another basketball powerhouse to what currently is the best hoops league in the country. And of Memphis, the Tigers finished as a finalist the last time the Big 12 expanded.

Yormark’s interest in UNLV seems like a calculated maneuver. Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff, a former casino executive who resides in Las Vegas, is slowly shifting the conference’s hub to Sin City. In an interesting wrinkle, could Kliavkoff’s targeting of SMU be a similar play? SMU is located in the Big 12’s own hub city of Dallas.

The Big 12’s expansion decisions could be solidified in a matter of weeks. Conference administrators meet at the end of the month in West Virginia, including school presidents.

We heard a lot about the 4C. We have heard some about SDSU.

I didn't expect to see UConn back in the realignment game.
Memphis makes sense in my opinion, probably more deserving than Houston.
UNLV is interesting to say the least.

SDSU's exit fee doubles, not triples, after June 30.

Good read but pretty light on anything we didn't already know or haven't already heard, in fact nothing new at all. Great summation of where we currently stand though

(05-16-2023 02:50 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Good read but pretty light on anything we didn't already know or haven't already heard, in fact nothing new at all. Great summation of where we currently stand though

He broke the Secret-7 and revealed the general pecking order of Big XII G5 expansion. I'm not certain SDSU's exit fee tripling on July 1 was known until now.

(05-16-2023 03:06 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 02:50 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Good read but pretty light on anything we didn't already know or haven't already heard, in fact nothing new at all. Great summation of where we currently stand though

He broke the Secret-7 and revealed the general pecking order of Big XII G5 expansion. I'm not certain SDSU's exit fee tripling on July 1 was known until now.

Aztecgolfer apparently corrected it to doubles right before your post...and he's been mentioning here for a couple months at least if I'm remembering correctly.

I mean could it be triple? I suppose, but he's been saying it for a while as double so it seems more likely he's been aware of that and Dellenger got that one bit wrong. If it's actually triple, then even more important to get it done.

SDSU Exit Fee "Triples" on July 1

Quote:One thing is certain: The Pac-12 plans to expand by adding San Diego State and maybe SMU coinciding with its completion of a new TV deal. But there is a deadline. To start play in 2024, San Diego State owes the Mountain West an exit fee of about $17 million. That triples in cost on July 1, a reason for a quasi-deadline to the situation.

That's a bombshell I was not expecting.

SDSU's exit fee is currently $17 Million but after July 1st it becomes $51 Million!

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Whether the fee doubles or triples, I am pretty confident that SDSU will give notice to the MWC on June 30th that they are exiting. They aren't going to wait around and be on the hook for 2 to 3x the $17 million exit fee.

This is kind of like what Louisville did a few years ago. (exiting with no new conference invite in hand)

SDSU should have some leverage to get a reduced share membership with either the PAC or the XII.

Or if the PAC is left with just Wazzu and Ore St, they know they will be invited as a full member.

If nothing works out, they can probably re-join the MWC, just as they did before when the Boise State/SDSU to the Big East fell apart.

If true, time is really wasting away for SDSU. No way they can swallow a $51m exit, joining the PAC or not.

(05-16-2023 03:12 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 03:06 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 02:50 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Good read but pretty light on anything we didn't already know or haven't already heard, in fact nothing new at all. Great summation of where we currently stand though

He broke the Secret-7 and revealed the general pecking order of Big XII G5 expansion. I'm not certain SDSU's exit fee tripling on July 1 was known until now.

Aztecgolfer apparently corrected it to doubles right before your post...and he's been mentioning here for a couple months at least if I'm remembering correctly.

I mean could it be triple? I suppose, but he's been saying it for a while as double so it seems more likely he's been aware of that and Dellenger got that one bit wrong. If it's actually triple, then even more important to get it done.

Thank you I was going to mention Aztec and at the risk of getting tomatoes thrown at my head Fluguar has mentioned it as well.

(05-16-2023 04:52 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 03:12 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 03:06 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 02:50 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Good read but pretty light on anything we didn't already know or haven't already heard, in fact nothing new at all. Great summation of where we currently stand though

He broke the Secret-7 and revealed the general pecking order of Big XII G5 expansion. I'm not certain SDSU's exit fee tripling on July 1 was known until now.

Aztecgolfer apparently corrected it to doubles right before your post...and he's been mentioning here for a couple months at least if I'm remembering correctly.

I mean could it be triple? I suppose, but he's been saying it for a while as double so it seems more likely he's been aware of that and Dellenger got that one bit wrong. If it's actually triple, then even more important to get it done.

Thank you I was going to mention Aztec and at the risk of getting tomatoes thrown at my head Fluguar has mentioned it as well.

I'm skeptical that Fluguar's sources know as much as they tell him they do, but he does know how to read and he does have google.

(05-16-2023 05:20 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 04:52 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 03:12 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 03:06 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(05-16-2023 02:50 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Good read but pretty light on anything we didn't already know or haven't already heard, in fact nothing new at all. Great summation of where we currently stand though

He broke the Secret-7 and revealed the general pecking order of Big XII G5 expansion. I'm not certain SDSU's exit fee tripling on July 1 was known until now.

Aztecgolfer apparently corrected it to doubles right before your post...and he's been mentioning here for a couple months at least if I'm remembering correctly.

I mean could it be triple? I suppose, but he's been saying it for a while as double so it seems more likely he's been aware of that and Dellenger got that one bit wrong. If it's actually triple, then even more important to get it done.

Thank you I was going to mention Aztec and at the risk of getting tomatoes thrown at my head Fluguar has mentioned it as well.

I'm skeptical that Fluguar's sources know as much as they tell him they do, but he does know how to read and he does have google.

Absolutely true. Definitely not an endorsement of the man or his "sources" just stating that it wasn't news to me because he mentioned it one of his shows and Aztec has spoken about it here.