This board has predicted the Power 2 designation for a long time.

Superpower 2 (S2)
Power 5 (P5)

Major (B1G and SEC)
Mid-Major (ACC, B12 and P12)
Minor (Group of 5)

Aresconis definitely losing it.

(05-09-2023 02:26 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Major (B1G and SEC)
Mid-Major (ACC, B12 and P12)
Minor (Group of 5)

That only works in one sport.

Remember, NCAA basketball has just as high of total viewership in its postseason (and also in its total over the regular season) as NCAA football.

I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

edit: here's the letter:

https://theamerican.org/news/2023/5/9/fo...nding.aspx

My response to his rant would be: start making as much as the 5th best of the old P5 does in their media rights agreement, or at least more than 1/10th of what they make, and maybe you can change the conversation.

I wonder if the American and Mountain West, maybe the Sun Belt, try to distinguish themselves from the rest of the G5 for a 4th group. 2-3-2-3 or 2-3-3-2. Maybe like what IWokeUpLikeThis said, S2-P3-M2/3-G3/2, but maybe the S stands for Superior 2 rather than Superpower.

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

An interesting observation. As with college hoops, I use the terms "power" and "major" to describe leagues — and not individual programs. In other words, there are some programs that will be members of the two future "power" leagues (for example, the Vanderbilt football program for which I cheer) that are no more "power" individually than lots of the football programs that will end up in the M3 (or M2 or M1). But, and in this case, VU will benefit (and unfairly so in some respects, I admit) from its SEC (i.e., P2) membership.

H$2
M$2
L$5
NZ$?

(05-09-2023 02:50 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  I wonder if the American and Mountain West, maybe the Sun Belt, try to distinguish themselves from the rest of the G5 for a 4th group. 2-3-2-3 or 2-3-3-2. Maybe like what IWokeUpLikeThis said, S2-P3-M2/3-G3/2, but maybe the S stands for Superior 2 rather than Superpower.

Some pro-AAC and pro-MWC posters on this board might attempt that. I will not. As a fan of both Memphis and Middle Tennessee State, I accept the reality that those two universities are members of "group" leagues. Though I strongly consider the AAC and MWC as overall "superior" to the MAC, C-USA and Sun Belt (factoring academics, locations, hoops, history, having military academies, endowments, professional schools, rivalries with power league members, etc.), the five leagues are easy to lump into one group. I get it.

In contrast, the Big Ten and SEC will be so much stronger overall than the "M3" — giving them that duo the "P2" moniker makes sense.

Ironic if Aresco unites the media in a Power 2 nomenclature

Power 2
B1G
SEC
ND

Major 3
Pac-12
ACC
Big 12

Middle 2
AAC
MW
UConn
Army

Group of 3
Sun Belt
MAC
C-USA
UMass

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

edit: here's the letter:

https://theamerican.org/news/2023/5/9/fo...nding.aspx

My response to his rant would be: start making as much as the 5th best of the old P5 does in their media rights agreement, or at least more than 1/10th of what they make, and maybe you can change the conversation.

I want to say quo vadis was the first person to use the M3 designation awhile back. Like you, I'm pretty sure McMurphy got it from here and from quo vadis.

Where is the legislative change

(05-09-2023 02:06 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

This board has predicted the Power 2 designation for a long time.

Looks like I'm one of the trendsetters. It's been P2, M3, and G5 for months.

Also, I’ve said for years McMurphy either reads or posts on this board. He has tweeted things that have followed various theses that were current at the time.

(05-09-2023 02:50 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:43 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:39 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I actually feel the P2, M3 and G5 will work rather effectively for college football league designation purposes.

The nice thing about M3 is that it can mean "mid-Major" or "Major", depending upon where you stand. Are you a Purdue alum? Definitely "mid-major". UCF fan? "Major".

I'll probably still use P5 at times just out of familiarity, but we've all kind of been trending towards and P2 and M3 designation for a while.

We know that McMurphy reads this board, and it appears that Aresco does, too.

An interesting observation. As with college hoops, I use the terms "power" and "major" to describe leagues — and not individual programs. In other words, there are some programs that will be members of the two future "power" leagues (for example, the Vanderbilt football program for which I cheer) that are no more "power" individually than lots of the football programs that will end up in the M3 (or M2 or M1). But, and in this case, VU will benefit (and unfairly so in some respects, I admit) from its SEC (i.e., P2) membership.

Tulane and GT could have also benefited from their SEC membership if they hadn't left way back when. I don't begrudge Vandy's position in the SEC, and we both know that they could decide tomorrow to really COMPETE and they'd become a handful for any SEC team in short order.

Anyone else think that Aresco is an overpaid loudmouth?

(05-09-2023 02:55 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:50 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  I wonder if the American and Mountain West, maybe the Sun Belt, try to distinguish themselves from the rest of the G5 for a 4th group. 2-3-2-3 or 2-3-3-2. Maybe like what IWokeUpLikeThis said, S2-P3-M2/3-G3/2, but maybe the S stands for Superior 2 rather than Superpower.

Some pro-AAC and pro-MWC posters on this board might attempt that. I will not. As a fan of both Memphis and Middle Tennessee State, I accept the reality that those two universities are members of "group" leagues. Though I strongly consider the AAC and MWC as overall "superior" to the MAC, C-USA and Sun Belt (factoring academics, locations, hoops, history, having military academies, endowments, professional schools, rivalries with power league members, etc.), the five leagues are easy to lump into one group. I get it.

In contrast, the Big Ten and SEC will be so much stronger overall than the "M3" — giving them that duo the "P2" moniker makes sense.

If the Pac loses most but not all schools, and the AAC figures out a way to keep kicking butt and taking names (perhaps with an MWC merger?), I could see the lines starting to blur in the 2030s. Maybe a P2, M2, m2, and g4?