(05-09-2023 04:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:44 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 02:15 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 12:53 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 12:23 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  I've seen Swaim tweets, too.

The logical problem that no one has explained is what Kliavkoff has to gain by 'lying' to presidents and 'delaying' if he truly has nothing to wait for. That's not how you get a deal. That's how you lose your job.

This isn't like some message-board inhabitant's living room, where if dad has embarrassing news to tell his kids he starts procrastinating. Conferences are multiple university communities bound by contract. Decisions affect thousands of people and have legal ramifications. Structures of accountability are in place. And university presidents aren't kids.

Far more more rational is to abandon assumptions like 'There's no deal and never will be!' when one has no way to know that. It is self-flattering to suppose that, with the help of free Internet gossip, one is onto some shady business that ten university presidents and their lawyers, accountants and ADs all missed. But let's face it: That whole assumption is a bit... grandiose.

A far more likely bet is that negotiations have many moving parts, that Kliavkoff is a busy man, and that PAC presidents are aware of both and willing to be patient. They've got the front-row seat. We don't.

We'll see what happens.

Swaim blocked me on twitter because I told him to quit lying, claiming things Klavikoff said that were actually coming from reporters and others not involved directly in the process. The guy makes money on clicks and he is a B12 guy.

PAC presidents aren't stupid, they are not going to let someone lie to them. Especially not after what happened under Scott.

The PAC deal isn't a simple as the basic redo like the B12 with some different parties at the table. It also includes Apple and Amazon who are new to collegiate sports as well as the PAC12 network assets which are state-of-the-art and which would work well for both of those two. I understand the B1G deal took quite a long time, it just wasn't under the microscope as the PAC deal is. I have heard just in the last month or two that all the details of the B1G contract were not finalized.

I wouldn't call Swaim a big 12 guy, if the roles were reversed today then he'd be making up stuff about how bad the situation was in the big 12. As you said, he makes money on clicks, and the light of truth rarely helps people like that.

Never paid much attention to him until this realignment issue and can't recall why I even followed him in the first case, so I will amend my statement that he is a B12 guy "at this time."

He’s not a big 12 guy. He’s just a former journalist who makes the dude of WV look credible. I posted something he said on a Texas board just because it was amusing and got negged all over the place.

The dude was at least entertaining.

(05-09-2023 09:02 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  If Kliavkoff somehow finagles a deal with CBS 7PM ET primetime slot, ESPN after dark and a streaming partner and the money is on par or better than the Big 12, then man oh man will a lot of people in the media have a pile of crow to eat.

I hope he does it then writes a book about the whole process. Sometimes I give people more credit than they deserve, but I really do think I understand what he’s trying to do. I’m just skeptical that he’ll actually succeed.

(05-09-2023 08:49 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 06:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I suspect Bodkin is right and Dodd, et al, with Big 12 sourced intel wrong.

It's looking like three to four vendor package is being put together looks something like this:

Basic Package (networks providing crew and trucks for two Saturday games, and their boradcasters):
Friday Night game: Amazon Prime (Peacock if Comcast/NBC package, most likely using P12N production)
Saturday Game of the week: CBS (7pm ET / 4pm PT slot "afternoon") or NBC/USA (2:30pm ET / 11:30am PT "nooner" west coast)
Saturday After Dark: ESPN (10:15pm ET / 7:15pm PT "prime time" west coast)

Secondary Package 1-3 games on any given week using P12N production:
Streaming service (Paramount+, Peacock, Amazon Prime, ESPN+) combined with regional over air/cable channels (CW, ION, Comcast)

I agree on a four-vendor setup. But I think it will be set-up differently.
Linear Tier 1: ESPN
Linear Tier 2: CBS

Streaming Tier 1: Apple
Streaming Tier 2: Amazon

San Diego State and SMU will be added because they need the inventory to satisfy four networks. SMU home games can be shown in the first broadcast hour on ESPN. SDSU is perfect for home night games in the 4th broadcast hour on ESPN. There are a lot of other details to work out, including who owns the Pac-12 production facilities and how to divide up the top games. I think the money will beat the Big 12.

Supposedly the Pac-12 schools are very leary of Apple, but not so much Amazon. Apple wants everything, certainly the teir-1 game of the week and the Friday Night exclusive. They don't work with others well, and ESPN at all. I can't see that working. Apple also has a subscription model component, meaning payment levels are not guaranteed. Pac-12 Presidents and ADs absolutely want a network for the top game every week, and they want a linear outlet for their bulk content (the new NBA contract is said to be similar).

What is definitely clear is the main package will include a GOW over air, and an after dark slot to get on ESPN (ESPN reportedly just wants "a" game, not "the" game). We all assume Amazon for a Friday Night exclusive, at least after September when the Yankee regular season ends (maybe it is). None of that is compatible with Apple. Nor is agreeing to air their exclusives on over air regional channels from somebody like CW, ION or Scripps..

I just don't see Apple in this deal. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

PAC is better off playing Tier 1 in the late window on Saturday then Friday night as far as exposure, but that’s just me.

(05-09-2023 11:43 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  ...
I believe the complete opposite of Stugray, IMO 60-70% of their games will be on one or more streaming services and the only network of note where you will be able to see PAC games will be after dark on ESPN. ..

As cable sheds subscribers, while sports broadcasts continue to be the regular programming that get people to not skip the ads, "networks not of note" are going to be coming into the frame sometime.

For instance, "ESPN After Dark #2 pick, NBC 6 OTA October/November and the rest on USA or Peacock" could easily have 3 games a week on linear TV yet arguably in a majority of weeks, the only "network of note" where you would be able to see PAC games after dark on ESPN.

There'd be even more games "on a TV network, but not one of note" if there is a "Tier2.5" of streaming games simulcast on a secondary network (Ion, CW, etc.) between the ""Tier2" ESPN after dark deal and the "Tier3" of P12N subscription channel on a streaming subscription channel.

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(05-10-2023 05:30 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  PAC is better off playing Tier 1 in the late window on Saturday then Friday night as far as exposure, but that’s just me.

Friday night OTA GOTW or Friday night GOTW on Amazon? i think the former would be more exposure than the Saturday late window, the second would need some supplementary access other than Twitch to get it there.

(05-10-2023 07:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Friday night OTA GOTW or Friday night GOTW on Amazon? i think the former would be more exposure than the Saturday late window, the second would need some supplementary access other than Twitch to get it there.

Noooo.... I'm assuming ESPN will fill Friday night with Big 12 or AAC games and a streamer would pick up Tier 1 for Friday night. I'm saying put Tier 1 PAC on ESPN to follow the SEC. You can get a portion of the LA market once USCLA games are out of the way... at least moreso than Friday night.