(04-27-2023 10:03 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 09:04 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Yeah, dead in the water. Just a matter of press at this point.

NO,not entirely. there is room for continued appeal to the " governance" board which is supposedly there to look out and protect the Student Athlete's best interest.
its only dead if we lead it be " dead".
we'll see what we are made of in how we take this INSANE ruling.

Assume you mean the Board of Governors?
https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2021/5/26/wh...rnors.aspx

(04-27-2023 10:43 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:59 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  FWIW, here's the statement Keith Gill put out. Sure seems like they disagree with the decision, but aren't inclined to push it.

https://twitter.com/fleischman_noah/stat...66274?s=20

Soft response from the SBC, says nothing. Pay your dues, we’ll keep your share of the proceeds for another year, and please don’t continue beating our bowl eligible folks, it makes us look bad.

JB and JMU should be coming out firing with a venom, no more mister nice guy, what is there to lose at this point.

And that we were 8-3, I wonder if we laid up at the end resting Centeio for Coastal and the mythical King of the East game, if he would’ve played hurt and been 10-1 or 9-2?

There is plenty to lose. There's one thing if you're the one on the receiving end of a vote not in your favor. There's another when you retaliate against that institution that you have to continue to work with.
Keep in mind I'm not saying that JMU needs to stay quiet, but I don't think burning down the joint is the way to go, either.
I think JMU was controlling a lot of the narrative last year and was getting a lot of support from all over. I expect that to exponentially increase after this. However, that only happens if we keep winning. The more we win, the more and more people will speak out about what is happening to us.

(04-27-2023 10:43 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:59 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  FWIW, here's the statement Keith Gill put out. Sure seems like they disagree with the decision, but aren't inclined to push it.

https://twitter.com/fleischman_noah/stat...66274?s=20

Soft response from the SBC, says nothing. Pay your dues, we’ll keep your share of the proceeds for another year, and please don’t continue beating our bowl eligible folks, it makes us look bad.

JB and JMU should be coming out firing with a venom, no more mister nice guy, what is there to lose at this point.

And that we were 8-3, I wonder if we laid up at the end resting Centeio for Coastal and the mythical King of the East game, if he would’ve played hurt and been 10-1 or 9-2?

If you were hoping for that, it doesn't sound like it will happen. In the Bourne dialogue that just came out, it includes this line:

"We accept the outcome of the NCAA’s decision and look ahead to the conclusion of our spring season and our second year as a proud member of the Sun Belt Conference in 2023-2024."

(04-27-2023 11:13 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 10:43 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:59 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  FWIW, here's the statement Keith Gill put out. Sure seems like they disagree with the decision, but aren't inclined to push it.

https://twitter.com/fleischman_noah/stat...66274?s=20

Soft response from the SBC, says nothing. Pay your dues, we’ll keep your share of the proceeds for another year, and please don’t continue beating our bowl eligible folks, it makes us look bad.

JB and JMU should be coming out firing with a venom, no more mister nice guy, what is there to lose at this point.

And that we were 8-3, I wonder if we laid up at the end resting Centeio for Coastal and the mythical King of the East game, if he would’ve played hurt and been 10-1 or 9-2?

If you were hoping for that, it doesn't sound like it will happen. In the Bourne dialogue that just came out, it includes this line:

"We accept the outcome of the NCAA’s decision and look ahead to the conclusion of our spring season and our second year as a proud member of the Sun Belt Conference in 2023-2024."

WOW that is incredibly weak statement for the student athletes he is supposed to represent.

(04-27-2023 11:15 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:13 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 10:43 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:59 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  FWIW, here's the statement Keith Gill put out. Sure seems like they disagree with the decision, but aren't inclined to push it.

https://twitter.com/fleischman_noah/stat...66274?s=20

Soft response from the SBC, says nothing. Pay your dues, we’ll keep your share of the proceeds for another year, and please don’t continue beating our bowl eligible folks, it makes us look bad.

JB and JMU should be coming out firing with a venom, no more mister nice guy, what is there to lose at this point.

And that we were 8-3, I wonder if we laid up at the end resting Centeio for Coastal and the mythical King of the East game, if he would’ve played hurt and been 10-1 or 9-2?

If you were hoping for that, it doesn't sound like it will happen. In the Bourne dialogue that just came out, it includes this line:

"We accept the outcome of the NCAA’s decision and look ahead to the conclusion of our spring season and our second year as a proud member of the Sun Belt Conference in 2023-2024."

WOW that is incredibly weak statement for the student athletes he is supposed to represent.

Yup, weak indeed. Between that statement and that of the SBC I’d rather not have read anything from them at this time.

(04-27-2023 11:19 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:15 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:13 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 10:43 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:59 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  FWIW, here's the statement Keith Gill put out. Sure seems like they disagree with the decision, but aren't inclined to push it.

https://twitter.com/fleischman_noah/stat...66274?s=20

Soft response from the SBC, says nothing. Pay your dues, we’ll keep your share of the proceeds for another year, and please don’t continue beating our bowl eligible folks, it makes us look bad.

JB and JMU should be coming out firing with a venom, no more mister nice guy, what is there to lose at this point.

And that we were 8-3, I wonder if we laid up at the end resting Centeio for Coastal and the mythical King of the East game, if he would’ve played hurt and been 10-1 or 9-2?

If you were hoping for that, it doesn't sound like it will happen. In the Bourne dialogue that just came out, it includes this line:

"We accept the outcome of the NCAA’s decision and look ahead to the conclusion of our spring season and our second year as a proud member of the Sun Belt Conference in 2023-2024."

WOW that is incredibly weak statement for the student athletes he is supposed to represent.

Yup, weak indeed. Between that statement and that of the SBC I’d rather not have read anything from them at this time.

Agreed.....i find this weak response from Bourne and JMU more disappointing that the ruling by the NCAA. It says......'so sorry we bothered the ncaa with this absurd request. We will now return to the corner with our tail between our legs and not bother you again'

Way to go to bat for our student athletes, smdh

(04-27-2023 11:15 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:13 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 10:43 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:59 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  FWIW, here's the statement Keith Gill put out. Sure seems like they disagree with the decision, but aren't inclined to push it.

https://twitter.com/fleischman_noah/stat...66274?s=20

Soft response from the SBC, says nothing. Pay your dues, we’ll keep your share of the proceeds for another year, and please don’t continue beating our bowl eligible folks, it makes us look bad.

JB and JMU should be coming out firing with a venom, no more mister nice guy, what is there to lose at this point.

And that we were 8-3, I wonder if we laid up at the end resting Centeio for Coastal and the mythical King of the East game, if he would’ve played hurt and been 10-1 or 9-2?

If you were hoping for that, it doesn't sound like it will happen. In the Bourne dialogue that just came out, it includes this line:

"We accept the outcome of the NCAA’s decision and look ahead to the conclusion of our spring season and our second year as a proud member of the Sun Belt Conference in 2023-2024."

WOW that is incredibly weak statement for the student athletes he is supposed to represent.

Yeah not sure you wouldn't at least say we are exploring all options, especially considering we have not even heard directly from NCAA at this point. What is there to lose by fighting here? It's not like we will lose another year because they don't like us.

This reaction has the smell of Alger all over it as that guy is the most milquetoast man I have ever met.

Bourne Dialogue Wrote:While we are incredibly disappointed, I want to stress that we knew the NCAA reclassification bylaws when we decided to move to FBS. We knew what we signed up for and at no point were disillusioned to think otherwise. With that in mind, I ask our supporters in JMU Nation not to respond with a negative outpouring against the NCAA or anyone involved in this review process. We knew the rules, we followed established protocol for a waiver request, and apparently will not get the result we had hoped in this particular process. We will certainly continue to do all we can to advocate for our student-athletes as we move forward, both within the Sun Belt Conference and within the NCAA structure.

(04-27-2023 11:24 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Yeah not sure you wouldn't at least say we are exploring all options, especially considering we have not even heard directly from NCAA at this point. What is there to lose by fighting here? It's not like we will lose another year because they don't like us.

This reaction has the smell of Alger all over it as that guy is the most milquetoast man I have ever met.

That was my previous point exactly!

My understanding is that one of the big reasons for the 2 year transition rule is to allow schools to ramp up to 85 scholarships. The Dukes were almost there due to the Covid extra years and scholarships going into last year. Add that to the new Portal and Transfer rules (instantly eligible) makes the 2 year transition even more archaic. This could potentially have the reverse effect on the Dukes if there is a mass exodus to the portal. The Dukes could be less ready in 2024 for full transition.

(04-27-2023 11:24 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:15 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:13 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 10:43 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 08:59 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  FWIW, here's the statement Keith Gill put out. Sure seems like they disagree with the decision, but aren't inclined to push it.

https://twitter.com/fleischman_noah/stat...66274?s=20

Soft response from the SBC, says nothing. Pay your dues, we’ll keep your share of the proceeds for another year, and please don’t continue beating our bowl eligible folks, it makes us look bad.

JB and JMU should be coming out firing with a venom, no more mister nice guy, what is there to lose at this point.

And that we were 8-3, I wonder if we laid up at the end resting Centeio for Coastal and the mythical King of the East game, if he would’ve played hurt and been 10-1 or 9-2?

If you were hoping for that, it doesn't sound like it will happen. In the Bourne dialogue that just came out, it includes this line:

"We accept the outcome of the NCAA’s decision and look ahead to the conclusion of our spring season and our second year as a proud member of the Sun Belt Conference in 2023-2024."

WOW that is incredibly weak statement for the student athletes he is supposed to represent.

Yeah not sure you wouldn't at least say we are exploring all options, especially considering we have not even heard directly from NCAA at this point. What is there to lose by fighting here? It's not like we will lose another year because they don't like us.

This reaction has the smell of Alger all over it as that guy is the most milquetoast man I have ever met.

Yes it does wreak of Alger and a dead-fish handshake. Isn't Alger some kind of lawyer or something, well obviously not a very good one.

(04-27-2023 11:28 AM)JMU85 Wrote:  My understanding is that one of the big reasons for the 2 year transition rule is to allow schools to ramp up to 85 scholarships. The Dukes were almost there due to the Covid extra years and scholarships going into last year. Add that to the new Portal and Transfer rules (instantly eligible) makes the 2 year transition even more archaic. This could potentially have the reverse effect on the Dukes if there is a mass exodus to the portal. The Dukes could be less ready in 2024 for full transition.

That is exactly the impact it will have on JMU Football.....this decision will probably set JMU back 2 years to recover from a recruiting standpoint.

Sometimes they just don't seem to understand football fans...at LEAST say "we are exploring appeals".....

Just found out via Jeff's email.

This just takes the breath out of me.

Another year in football limbo.

Makes no sense - accept as perhaps not not wanting to set a precedent going forward. Perhaps they don't want to get into a "How come JMU did, but we didn't?" situation.

This will negatively effect us to some extent. Certainly effects my excitement about next year.

No, we won't get a shot at the SB Championship next year. The other schools are not going to want to compete with us to get into the game if they don't want to. They'll use the same excuse.

And let's be real, no one other than a JMU fan will give a crap.

While others will criticize this 'announcement' by JB, I'm going to call it what it is: a mature and adult reaction.
Sure, it sucks, but do you really think kicking and screaming is going to change it or get our way?
They made the effort, did everything they were supposed to do and the request was denied. They aren't going to change their minds. The ones that can change the rules are the ones that made the decision. JMU presented its case as good as they absolutely could have. At that point it was out of their hands.
Doesn't mean as fans or the media need to move on from it. Nor does it mean we cannot control the narrative.
Taking the high road isn't a bad road to take. It puts JMU in a good light and will probably get even more support for doing just that.
Today has really, really, really, really sucked. There's no doubt. But there is something to just living to fight another day. Pick your battles.
The future is still bright. The sky is not falling.

(04-27-2023 11:43 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  While others will criticize this 'announcement' by JB, I'm going to call it what it is: a mature and adult reaction.
Sure, it sucks, but do you really think kicking and screaming is going to change it or get our way?
They made the effort, did everything they were supposed to do and the request was denied. They aren't going to change their minds. The ones that can change the rules are the ones that made the decision. JMU presented its case as good as they absolutely could have. At that point it was out of their hands.
Doesn't mean as fans or the media need to move on from it. Nor does it mean we cannot control the narrative.
Taking the high road isn't a bad road to take. It puts JMU in a good light and will probably get even more support for doing just that.
Today has really, really, really, really sucked. There's no doubt. But there is something to just living to fight another day. Pick your battles.
The future is still bright. The sky is not falling.

Sure.

Go ask Cig and the rest of the coaching staff or our football players about the impact and future impact. This is a much bigger deal than oh well we just have to wait a year. This is a program setting back decision.

Ask those directly impacted if they think the sky is falling today.

Just watch the mass exodus via the portal in the next week from JMU.

The NCAA just set JMU football back years, imo.

(04-27-2023 11:49 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  The NCAA just set JMU football back years, imo.

absolutely...minimum 2 years probably 2-5.

Watch the portal mass exodus in the next week.

Yeah, I'm nowhere near the "aw shucks, at least we tried stage". I'm not in the - well lets thank everyone for trying.

This sucks in a HUGE way.

Having a good day, but this is not part of it.....

(04-27-2023 11:49 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:49 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  The NCAA just set JMU football back years, imo.

absolutely...minimum 2 years probably 2-5.

Watch the portal mass exodus in the next week.

Hi JMU, here is your reward for moving up the "right way".

The NCAA literally makes every WRONG decision they can. Student athlete well being?...nah, can't grant a waiver to help those 100 student athletes at JMU, but we'll make sure Colorado can run free agency and run off 70 players.