(04-20-2023 08:51 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  So you’re the Utah expert now? I think you’d be a little surprised to know which PAC schools voted to add the hateful 8 and which didn’t.

You said a few weeks ago that Utah would be better off in a reconstituted Pac/MWC Conference than they would be in the big 12. Can we read between the lines here and say that you're warming up to big 12 membership?

(04-20-2023 12:46 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  

(04-20-2023 03:08 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(04-19-2023 11:02 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  Perhaps the confusion results from Salt Lake and Utah being relatively isolated from other metropolitan areas

I'm looking at the standard MSAs from the US census, showing the Kansas City MSA as #31 and Salt Lake City as #45. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolit...ical_area.

So geographic ignorance on your part then.

Because otherwise you'd know that the KC MSA (which includes KC MO) is isolated, and that the SLC MSA is contiguous with the Ogden and Provo MSAs and was recently split from them due to.....population growth.

The metric for contiguous MSAs is the combined statistical area (CSA).

22 Salt Lake City-Provo-Ogden, UT Combined Statistical Area 2,746,164. +1.67%

27 Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS Combined Statistical Area 2,535,652. +0.28%

The source I cited indicates that it includes Provo and Ogden in the Salt Lake City MSA and lists it as #46 based on 2021 numbers. It lists the KC MSA as #31.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolit...tical_area

I copied and pasted this link and it seems to work. It contains a chart showing the 384 largest MSAs using July 2021 US Census numbers.

The difference between our numbers is I was relying on the MSA numbers and you were citing CSA numbers, which encompass a larger census area than an MSA. I agree we should focus on on CSA rather than MSA for the Salt Lake vs. KC markets.

However, your original post focused on Utah vs. Kansas state statistics and, my point really, is that looking at only Kansas fails to take into account the significant western Missouri fan base of Kansas.

You guys are arguing over 2 different things. You're talking about MSA, he's talking about CSA. In smaller states like Kansas and Utah, the CSA can be much of the entire State.

A good comparison is that the San Antonio MSA stops at New Braunfels and is roughly a ring around the City. However, if you take the CSA then it includes Austin, which is 80 miles and about 1.5 hrs away. The CSA looks a whole lot better when you're talking to a Major Pro Franchise about relocating, but you can't put a stadium in Round Rock and pull from San Antonio, nor can you put one in Pleasanton and pull from Austin. San Marcos is the ideal location, but it's just not built up enough yet. Maybe in 30 years.

When you search thread titles for "Flugaur", a total of 3 threads from before this year pop up. All are from 2015-16. The final thread at the bottom references "BTM".

Social media realignment expert Greg Flugaur

Quote:It seems that a respected blogger/social media expert in conference realignment has lit the twitter universe on fire by making some claims of movement of the Big Ten to target certain schools, impacting inter alia, Missouri, UConn, Kansas, Oklahoma among others.

Greg Flugaur posts tonight, says more to come

Greg Flugaur Tweets

Quote:You may find these tweets of interest:

LINK

Note, BTM is Big Ten Man

Quote:Greg Flugaur @flugempire
B10 is already talking with Kansas & Oklahoma….every once in a while….these discussions are happening. SEC is talking with OU all-the-time!

Greg Flugaur @flugempire
This is the reality. B10 has a “long road to hoe” in acquiring KU/OU but it has taken first steps.

(04-20-2023 08:51 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  So you’re the Utah expert now? I think you’d be a little surprised to know which PAC schools voted to add the hateful 8 and which didn’t.

Nah, they all voted no on BYU, but they seemed to be more open about Boise State.
TCU have some players with legal issues.
Baylor had the violent crime spree of their players in men's basketball and football.
SMU had their share of history.
Rice may have their own issues to be not wanted.
Tulsa is too small.
Tulane is too far east.

The problem with the PAC 12 not wanted to add Big 12 schools back in 2012 was not the schools themselves, but it had to do with Texas not giving up on the Longhorn's Network. That was a failed experiment that Texas did not want to give it up which gave them an unfair advantage to the rest of the Big 12.

(04-20-2023 01:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(04-20-2023 08:51 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  So you’re the Utah expert now? I think you’d be a little surprised to know which PAC schools voted to add the hateful 8 and which didn’t.

You said a few weeks ago that Utah would be better off in a reconstituted Pac/MWC Conference than they would be in the big 12. Can we read between the lines here and say that you're warming up to big 12 membership?

No.

The proposed “reconstituted MWC” had Cal, Fresno, UNLV, and SDSU. That’s workable.

If the BigXII had Cal, Fresno, SDSU it would be workable too.

But a BigXVI with the 4C4 is not. It would have to be 20+ with a lot more west coast schools.

(04-20-2023 02:02 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  [quote='CintiFan' pid='18904322' dateline='1682012784']
[quote='jrj84105' pid='18903750' dateline='1681978138']

You guys are arguing …

No. He’s just full of baloney.

He said Kansas had a bigger media market when it doesn’t. So factual error 1.

So then he tried to redefine media markets as MSAs. Which they aren’t. Factual error 2.

Then he said that Kansas City’s MSA underrepresented adjacent West Missouri, which it doesn’t. That area is explicitly part of the KC-MO/KS MSA. Factual error 3.

Then he said that the SLC MSA included Provo and Ogden. It doesn’t. Factual error 4.

Then he said that the SLC MSA was isolated. It isn’t. The Provo-SLC-Ogden MSA’s aren’t separated like your example of San Antonio and Austin.

None of these cities grow concentrically like an Austin or San Antonio because they are wedged between the Wasatch and Oquirrh mountains. They can only grow in the N-S direction which means that cities that were separate 50 years ago are now one confluent metropolitan area, because SLC’s suburban sprawl has pushed N and S into both. There is no space in between. It’s one city at this point.

(04-20-2023 09:01 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(04-20-2023 02:02 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  [quote='CintiFan' pid='18904322' dateline='1682012784']
[quote='jrj84105' pid='18903750' dateline='1681978138']

You guys are arguing …

No. He’s just full of baloney.

He said Kansas had a bigger media market when it doesn’t. So factual error 1.

So then he tried to redefine media markets as MSAs. Which they aren’t. Factual error 2.

Then he said that Kansas City’s MSA underrepresented adjacent West Missouri, which it doesn’t. That area is explicitly part of the KC-MO/KS MSA. Factual error 3.

Then he said that the SLC MSA included Provo and Ogden. It doesn’t. Factual error 4.

Then he said that the SLC MSA was isolated. It isn’t. The Provo-SLC-Ogden MSA’s aren’t separated like your example of San Antonio and Austin.

None of these cities grow concentrically like an Austin or San Antonio because they are wedged between the Wasatch and Oquirrh mountains. They can only grow in the N-S direction which means that cities that were separate 50 years ago are now one confluent metropolitan area, because SLC’s suburban sprawl has pushed N and S into both. There is no space in between. It’s one city at this point.

Bryanw is correct. jrj, you clearly didn't look at the source material I cited. It says exactly what I said it did.

Man you all are giving Flugaur a lot of play, he's living rent free in all your heads, Lol.

Greg is not a journalist or a reporter, he's a fan of college football. He says it in his YouTube channel, like right in the beginning. He's an entertainer who loves the same things we love, college athletics. He's not some diabolical villain or a rumor mongering moron like the Monty show. I challenge all of you to actually listen to 3 or 4 of his shows from start to finish. He says he's a nobody who really only has one source, "BTM".

I listen to him once in a while for the entertainment value not because I think he's some amazing source of realignment news. Keep things in context people.

One other thing, his source is real, that doesn't mean he's going to know what exactly will happen with the PAC, but to try and say he knows nothing or that he's making it all up, be careful. A lot of reputable reporters have sources and have no idea what's going on.

Take care you crazy people

(04-20-2023 11:28 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Man you all are giving Flugaur a lot of play, he's living rent free in all your heads, Lol.

Greg is not a journalist or a reporter, he's a fan of college football. He says it in his YouTube channel, like right in the beginning. He's an entertainer who loves the same things we love, college athletics. He's not some diabolical villain or a rumor mongering moron like the Monty show. I challenge all of you to actually listen to 3 or 4 of his shows from start to finish. He says he's a nobody who really only has one source, "BTM".

I listen to him once in a while for the entertainment value not because I think he's some amazing source of realignment news. Keep things in context people.

One other thing, his source is real, that doesn't mean he's going to know what exactly will happen with the PAC, but to try and say he knows nothing or that he's making it all up, be careful. A lot of reputable reporters have sources and have no idea what's going on.

Take care you crazy people

Flugaur does not have any source, he makes it all up, BTM, etc are all made up. He lurks around fan forum like this, picking up stuff then lies that they are from his sources.

You can live with guys saying that they are speculating. Flugaur outrightly lies that he has sources that said this or that.

That Colorado tweet was an outright lie. He pulled it, then lied that his sources told him to pull the tweet.

(04-20-2023 11:28 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Man you all are giving Flugaur a lot of play, he's living rent free in all your heads, Lol.
....

Never free. We bill his Money Perch.

(04-20-2023 11:28 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Greg is not a journalist or a reporter, he's a fan of college football. He says it in his YouTube channel, like right in the beginning.

I listen to him once in a while for the entertainment value not because I think he's some amazing source of realignment news. Keep things in context people.

There are dozens of posters who cite him as a source. Yesterday there was a post to the effect of "if there's anything on B1G expansion, we will hear it from Flugaur first".

That's why there's so much discussion on his credibility. You might watch him for entertainment, but many others present him as an amazing source.

(04-20-2023 11:28 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Man you all are giving Flugaur a lot of play, he's living rent free in all your heads, Lol.

Greg is not a journalist or a reporter, he's a fan of college football. He says it in his YouTube channel, like right in the beginning. He's an entertainer who loves the same things we love, college athletics. He's not some diabolical villain or a rumor mongering moron like the Monty show. I challenge all of you to actually listen to 3 or 4 of his shows from start to finish. He says he's a nobody who really only has one source, "BTM".

I listen to him once in a while for the entertainment value not because I think he's some amazing source of realignment news. Keep things in context people.

One other thing, his source is real, that doesn't mean he's going to know what exactly will happen with the PAC, but to try and say he knows nothing or that he's making it all up, be careful. A lot of reputable reporters have sources and have no idea what's going on.

Take care you crazy people

Right on.

It’s the same fools every time that have this insecurity- this need to adjudicate on “insider” label worthiness and getting upset over the thought a Flug or MHver thinking they’re “right”

If you can’t get realignment value, or you take issue the Flugs, a realignment messsge board, it’s a you problem.

The type of information sought by those on a forum dedicated to realignment will most likely first sprout via the off record, hearsay types.

People want accurate info from established sources. Or to at least filter info from established sources from not-so-credible sources. And not have info from not-so-credible sources passed around the board as fact, which has been commonplace.

People aren't insecure over MHver - how absolutely goofy. People just want accuracy.

If someone is presented as a source, those interested in accurate info will evaluate the source's credibility. That's how it works. That's no different than those who follow politics, tv show spoilers, etc.

I at least take note of what Flugaur says unlike MHver and Genetics.

This is certainly worth noting though. Can't wait to see everyone suddenly turn against Andy Staples because of his comment lol

(04-21-2023 10:58 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  I at least take note of what Flugaur says unlike MHver and Genetics. This is certainly worth noting though. Can't wait to see everyone suddenly turn against Andy Staples because of his comment lol

Genetics is aka Nebraskfaninwi and Texasfaninwi. Total troll.

(04-21-2023 08:38 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(04-20-2023 11:28 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Greg is not a journalist or a reporter, he's a fan of college football. He says it in his YouTube channel, like right in the beginning.

I listen to him once in a while for the entertainment value not because I think he's some amazing source of realignment news. Keep things in context people.

There are dozens of posters who cite him as a source. Yesterday there was a post to the effect of "if there's anything on B1G expansion, we will hear it from Flugaur first".

That's why there's so much discussion on his credibility. You might watch him for entertainment, but many others present him as an amazing source.

That's fair and I agree he shouldn't really be the person anyone should be citing as their "source".

(04-21-2023 12:50 AM)Acres Wrote:  

(04-20-2023 11:28 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Man you all are giving Flugaur a lot of play, he's living rent free in all your heads, Lol.

Greg is not a journalist or a reporter, he's a fan of college football. He says it in his YouTube channel, like right in the beginning. He's an entertainer who loves the same things we love, college athletics. He's not some diabolical villain or a rumor mongering moron like the Monty show. I challenge all of you to actually listen to 3 or 4 of his shows from start to finish. He says he's a nobody who really only has one source, "BTM".

I listen to him once in a while for the entertainment value not because I think he's some amazing source of realignment news. Keep things in context people.

One other thing, his source is real, that doesn't mean he's going to know what exactly will happen with the PAC, but to try and say he knows nothing or that he's making it all up, be careful. A lot of reputable reporters have sources and have no idea what's going on.

Take care you crazy people

Flugaur does not have any source, he makes it all up, BTM, etc are all made up. He lurks around fan forum like this, picking up stuff then lies that they are from his sources.

You can live with guys saying that they are speculating. Flugaur outrightly lies that he has sources that said this or that.

That Colorado tweet was an outright lie. He pulled it, then lied that his sources told him to pull the tweet.

Ok

(04-21-2023 12:50 AM)Acres Wrote:  

(04-20-2023 11:28 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Man you all are giving Flugaur a lot of play, he's living rent free in all your heads, Lol.

Greg is not a journalist or a reporter, he's a fan of college football. He says it in his YouTube channel, like right in the beginning. He's an entertainer who loves the same things we love, college athletics. He's not some diabolical villain or a rumor mongering moron like the Monty show. I challenge all of you to actually listen to 3 or 4 of his shows from start to finish. He says he's a nobody who really only has one source, "BTM".

I listen to him once in a while for the entertainment value not because I think he's some amazing source of realignment news. Keep things in context people.

One other thing, his source is real, that doesn't mean he's going to know what exactly will happen with the PAC, but to try and say he knows nothing or that he's making it all up, be careful. A lot of reputable reporters have sources and have no idea what's going on.

Take care you crazy people

Flugaur does not have any source, he makes it all up, BTM, etc are all made up. He lurks around fan forum like this, picking up stuff then lies that they are from his sources.

You can live with guys saying that they are speculating. Flugaur outrightly lies that he has sources that said this or that.

That Colorado tweet was an outright lie. He pulled it, then lied that his sources told him to pull the tweet.

I think you're confusing Flugar and MHVer3

(04-20-2023 08:51 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  So you’re the Utah expert now? I think you’d be a little surprised to know which PAC schools voted to add the hateful 8 and which didn’t.

Is it known which schools voted for/against admitting the remaining 8?

(04-21-2023 07:40 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(04-20-2023 08:51 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  So you’re the Utah expert now? I think you’d be a little surprised to know which PAC schools voted to add the hateful 8 and which didn’t.

Is it known which schools voted for/against admitting the remaining 8?

The Athletic reported an 8-4 vote against expansion. The Arizona President admitted to voting in favor. It was widely reported USC/UCLA voted against.

I don’t believe the other 9 votes have been publicly reported, but logically the 4C4 schools are most likely to have voted for the Big XII schools.