(04-02-2023 02:09 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  Nova is considered a regional school and doubt it’ll be top 25 or 30 or whatever BC is. But BC definitely needs more leadership. They like to think of themselves as a peer to Gtown or ND but they aren’t.

Villanova was reclassified as a national university in 2021 and debuted at #49. It will need additional research and endowment dollars to climb but that's a great start.

BC is at #36 after peaking at #30 in 2016.

The ACC wanted Miami, which was the big prize in the BE. To get Miami, the ACC let them pick who from the BE should come along to get to 12 schools. Miami wanted BC and Syracuse. The governor of Virginia got involved and ordered UVa to vote against any move that didn't include VT being included. Either Syracuse or BC was going to be left out for VT. Miami was in regardless, but picked brining BC over Syracuse. As a previous posted noted, BC had had a really good run in football and basketball and there was a budding rivalry with Miami.

Frankly BC to the ACC was a major bust. Neither the school, nor the region of the country fits the ACC profile. That should have been considered when the expansion happened. Frankly, I don't believe Syracuse being the lone northern school in the ACC would have fared any better. Looking back at it, the ACC probably should have taken Pitt in 2003.

UConn was and is a non-starter. In 2003 they were just a year or two into transition from FCS to FBS football. Since then both BC and Syracuse have lobbied to keep UConn out of the ACC. They see having a third NYNE school as too much competition for fans and players in a region of the country that is lacking both.

BC is dying athletically from being cut off from the other northeast Catholic schools. BC needs to play Notre Dame every year plus Big East basketball. That is how they maximize value. Playing southern schools just doesn’t cut it in Boston.

I think BC, Cuse and Pitt would've fared better in the ACC if Rutgers and West Virginia were both included in the 2013 ACC expansion. You've got rivalries there that don't exist when those 3 northernmost ACC schools play the southern ACC schools.

(04-02-2023 05:02 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  BC is dying athletically from being cut off from the other northeast Catholic schools. BC needs to play Notre Dame every year plus Big East basketball. That is how they maximize value. Playing southern schools just doesn’t cut it in Boston.

There is no reason for ND to play BC every year.

(04-02-2023 05:02 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  BC is dying athletically from being cut off from the other northeast Catholic schools. BC needs to play Notre Dame every year plus Big East basketball. That is how they maximize value. Playing southern schools just doesn’t cut it in Boston.

(04-02-2023 04:32 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Frankly BC to the ACC was a major bust. Neither the school, nor the region of the country fits the ACC profile. That should have been considered when the expansion happened. Frankly, I don't believe Syracuse being the lone northern school in the ACC would have fared any better. Looking back at it, the ACC probably should have taken Pitt in 2003.

UConn was and is a non-starter. In 2003 they were just a year or two into transition from FCS to FBS football. Since then both BC and Syracuse have lobbied to keep UConn out of the ACC. They see having a third NYNE school as too much competition for fans and players in a region of the country that is lacking both.

Well you want to cut on the competition and then you "die athletically" from lack of rivalries. It would have been better for UConn, Syracuse, Boston College, and the rest of the ACC if UConn were in the ACC instead of a Louisville team that won FOUR freaking games this year!

(04-02-2023 05:02 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  BC is dying athletically from being cut off from the other northeast Catholic schools. BC needs to play Notre Dame every year plus Big East basketball. That is how they maximize value. Playing southern schools just doesn’t cut it in Boston.

Yep, by keeping the others down they kept themselves down, too.

(04-02-2023 02:07 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 01:43 PM)mvfcfan Wrote:  I always heard that the ACC wanted to invite UCONN, but that BC vetoed them because they wanted to be "New England's only team". UCONN and WVU would both be perfect additions to the ACC, but politics always gets in the way.

I think WVU would be welcome

I've never gotten that sense from UNC fans (and especially not from ND fans). WVU had a good rivalry going with VT, but I don't know how many ACC members would vote for them.

(04-02-2023 02:36 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 02:27 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 01:43 PM)mvfcfan Wrote:  I always heard that the ACC wanted to invite UCONN, but that BC vetoed them because they wanted to be "New England's only team". UCONN and WVU would both be perfect additions to the ACC, but politics always gets in the way.

I thought the ACC was particularly annoyed at UConn for being the ringleader in the lawsuit(s) against the ACC for supposedly conspiring to undermine the Big East with their additions.

WVU is just not considered culturally or academically acceptable to the Tobacco Road schools.

If they took Louisville they’ll take WVU (I know that WVU is ranked worse).

Actually, in the 2022 ARWU, WVU is ranked higher than Louisville.

(04-02-2023 06:44 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 05:02 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  BC is dying athletically from being cut off from the other northeast Catholic schools. BC needs to play Notre Dame every year plus Big East basketball. That is how they maximize value. Playing southern schools just doesn’t cut it in Boston.

(04-02-2023 04:32 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Frankly BC to the ACC was a major bust. Neither the school, nor the region of the country fits the ACC profile. That should have been considered when the expansion happened. Frankly, I don't believe Syracuse being the lone northern school in the ACC would have fared any better. Looking back at it, the ACC probably should have taken Pitt in 2003.

UConn was and is a non-starter. In 2003 they were just a year or two into transition from FCS to FBS football. Since then both BC and Syracuse have lobbied to keep UConn out of the ACC. They see having a third NYNE school as too much competition for fans and players in a region of the country that is lacking both.

Well you want to cut on the competition and then you "die athletically" from lack of rivalries. It would have been better for UConn, Syracuse, Boston College, and the rest of the ACC if UConn were in the ACC instead of a Louisville team that won FOUR freaking games this year!

The answer is an old Big East division and old ACC division
FSU, Clemson, NC, NCST, Duke, WF, UVA, GT
BC, SU, Pitt, VT, UM, UL, WVU, Uconn.

(04-02-2023 08:23 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 06:44 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 05:02 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  BC is dying athletically from being cut off from the other northeast Catholic schools. BC needs to play Notre Dame every year plus Big East basketball. That is how they maximize value. Playing southern schools just doesn’t cut it in Boston.

(04-02-2023 04:32 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Frankly BC to the ACC was a major bust. Neither the school, nor the region of the country fits the ACC profile. That should have been considered when the expansion happened. Frankly, I don't believe Syracuse being the lone northern school in the ACC would have fared any better. Looking back at it, the ACC probably should have taken Pitt in 2003.

UConn was and is a non-starter. In 2003 they were just a year or two into transition from FCS to FBS football. Since then both BC and Syracuse have lobbied to keep UConn out of the ACC. They see having a third NYNE school as too much competition for fans and players in a region of the country that is lacking both.

Well you want to cut on the competition and then you "die athletically" from lack of rivalries. It would have been better for UConn, Syracuse, Boston College, and the rest of the ACC if UConn were in the ACC instead of a Louisville team that won FOUR freaking games this year!

The answer is an old Big East division and old ACC division
FSU, Clemson, NC, NCST, Duke, WF, UVA, GT
BC, SU, Pitt, VT, UM, UL, WVU, Uconn.

Virginia Tech wanted to be in the ACC, not the Big East. They have ties to the ACC schools going back to the SoCon days.

(04-02-2023 04:20 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 02:09 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  Nova is considered a regional school and doubt it’ll be top 25 or 30 or whatever BC is. But BC definitely needs more leadership. They like to think of themselves as a peer to Gtown or ND but they aren’t.

Villanova was reclassified as a national university in 2021 and debuted at #49. It will need additional research and endowment dollars to climb but that's a great start.

BC is at #36 after peaking at #30 in 2016.

Yes, but 36 is pretty darn good. Now seems to have settled in the 35-37 range for some time now. BC continues to make huge investments in facilities and programs.

Villanova is a fine university...it debuted at #49, as you indicated, then dropped to #51 this year.

Boston College's endowment sits an over $3.7B. Villanova's is about $1.12B, I think.

To stay the BC will be "overtaken" by VU is not supported by any fact or trend, other than your opinion.

(04-02-2023 10:41 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  Yes, but 36 is pretty darn good. Now seems to have settled in the 35-37 range for some time now. BC continues to make huge investments in facilities and programs.

Agreed, but Villanova has made huge progress in a short period of time.

But aside from the TV money, the ACC has done very little for BC as an institution.

Connecticut would have been a fine addition for the ACC if the football had been ready. The same definitely holds true of UMass when its program is farther along. Boston College is more interesting with either of these state schools as a regular conference matchup.

I was rooting for Eastern time zone dominance at the time, so, if we'd ever actually got to 16-team leagues—and assuming no game-changing windfalls or departures—a final ACC would have looked like this:

Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Penn State or Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Virginia
North Carolina State
North Carolina
Wake Forest
Duke
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami

The ACC arguably did much better for itself in securing the Notre Dame partnership and gaining Louisville as a member, even if Maryland and Rutgers went elsewhere. Of course, the announcement of the ACC conference network lay five years in the future. A network changes the calculus.

(04-02-2023 01:43 PM)mvfcfan Wrote:  I always heard that the ACC wanted to invite UCONN, but that BC vetoed them because they wanted to be "New England's only team".
....

That's from a 2011 Boston Globe report citing (instantly infamous) remarks by then-BC athletic director Gene DeFilippo.

https://awfulannouncing.com/2011-article...nment.html

The ACC should have added UConn, along with Rutgers, when they expanded with Pittsburgh and Syracuse. Here's what the lineup would have looked like:

North

Boston College
Connecticut
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech

South

Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami (FL)
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Wake Forest

(04-02-2023 05:30 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  I think BC, Cuse and Pitt would've fared better in the ACC if Rutgers and West Virginia were both included in the 2013 ACC expansion. You've got rivalries there that don't exist when those 3 northernmost ACC schools play the southern ACC schools.

Adding those three was a strange marriage.
Most of the teams in the ACC had limited history with teams in the NE. Adding two more would have been way too much to bear.

(04-03-2023 02:43 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(04-02-2023 01:43 PM)mvfcfan Wrote:  I always heard that the ACC wanted to invite UCONN, but that BC vetoed them because they wanted to be "New England's only team".
....

That's from a 2011 Boston Globe report citing (instantly infamous) remarks by then-BC athletic director Gene DeFilippo.

https://awfulannouncing.com/2011-article...nment.html

Again, why let an inferior team veto a top team from the conference? The article is dated 10/11/2011. You know who won the national championship that year? CONNECTICUT.

(04-02-2023 05:02 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  BC is dying athletically from being cut off from the other northeast Catholic schools. BC needs to play Notre Dame every year plus Big East basketball. That is how they maximize value. Playing southern schools just doesn’t cut it in Boston.

So much wrong with this:

For a school this is supposedly "dying athletically", it has made huge investments in its facilities since going the ACC. Just in the last 5 years...

Fish Field House - Completed 2018 - IPF for Football - adjacent to Alumni Stadium/Conte Forum Complex. Also adjacent to the Yawkey Center (Completed in 2005. BC Football building that is connected to Alumni Stadium.)

https://www.arcusa.com/spaces/fish-field...on-college


Harrington Athletics Village Completed in 2019 - Baseball/Softball -

https://youtu.be/b75mM8zlf6I


Hoag Basketball Pavilion - Mens and Women' BasketBall - Connected to Conte Forum. Completion Date: Summer, 2023

https://www.bc.edu/bc-web/bcnews/athleti...egins.html


Margot Connell Recreation Center Center - Completed in 2019. Houses many BC Olympic sports (swimming, tennis, volleyball) Completed 2019.

https://youtu.be/H0_O_k0DmLI

BC's teams are doing ok.......

1. True, the football team had a bad season due to graduation and a huge number of injuries. They will be much better this season as they are much deeper and more experienced.

2. BC's MBB team just finished its best season in 10 years - having beaten several ranked teams and finishing 9-11 in ACC play (ahead of VT, FSU, GT, ND, and L'vlle)

3. BC's baseball team is currently one of the best in the country. Currently ranked 12/14, with a 20-6 record and 8-4 in the ACC (tied for second best). All of this despite playing all of the early season on the road and having a #5 RPI.

4. The Women's lacrosse team has been to 4 straight national championship games...winning the national championship in 2021.

The BC volleyball Team won the 2002 National Invitational Volleyball Championship

BC sits in the #9 DMA (second only to Atlanta in the ACC footprint), and one of the wealthiest. Contrary to what has been posted here, BC continues to get solid TV ratings in the Boston DMA - especially for big games.

Please spare us the obituaries. We are doing just fine.

BC's problem isn't the ACC it is BC. They still have Pitt, Cuse, and VT in conference, WV wouldn't have moved the needle. UM had also become a pretty good rival game, during the Flutie run. The current ACC gives them all they need to be competitive, they simply have not been.

That said BC has not been horrid, just hasn't been great.