(04-04-2023 06:38 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 04:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The ACC is where Big East football goes to die, LOL. :)

And Big East men's basketball as well. Look at Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, and Louisville in the ACC. Syracuse did make a Final Four as an ACC member but as a #10 seed and they've been pretty much irrelevant recently.

I'm late to the thread, but BC jumped at the ACC offer because they knew if they didn't get into the ACC early or the ACC decided not to expand, the next time the ACC thought about 12, they'd ask UConn instead of them.

The ACC targeted Miami (for FB), BC and Syracuse (for more NE media exposure). The Virginia board of regents told UVA they couldn't vote for expansion that didn't include Va Tech. Syracuse was on the fence and Va Tech was better at football anyway, so the ACC adjusted. But when they held the vote, the NC State chancellor had done due diligence on BC, Miami and Syracuse, but had been on vacation during the VT sub. So she abstained from the voting. Because of the abstention, VT and Miami had 6+ votes, but BC had 5 of 8 instead of 6 of 9. The ACC met again and voted to invite BC, but they missed the Big East withdraw cutoff and BC had a lameduck last Big East season.


As for the basketball competitiveness... conference play is a zero sum game. Of course the team records are worse, they're worse for EVERYONE now that there's 15 teams in the league instead of 9 or 12.

In the 12-team ACC, going 9-7 in league play, 23-9 overall, NCAA tournament, 7 seed.
In the 15-team ACC, going 10-8 in league play, 20-14 overall, NCAA tournament, 10 seed.

That's just the nature of how conferences work.

The crazy thing about all this is that almost every school that moved moved from the big East basically failed in the eyes of the fans. (Except va tech) it’s pretty amazing how irrelevant each one of these schools got.

Yes the school makes more money but money doesn’t matter without success on the field. Unless you’re some weirdo, fans don’t get more joy from balance books than victory on the field/court. Especially victories over rivals.

(04-06-2023 07:30 PM)ccbfan Wrote:  The crazy thing about all this is that almost every school that moved moved from the big East basically failed in the eyes of the fans. (Except va tech) it’s pretty amazing how irrelevant each one of these schools got.

Yes the school makes more money but money doesn’t matter without success on the field. Unless you’re some weirdo, fans don’t get more joy from balance books than victory on the field/court. Especially victories over rivals.

I genuinely wonder why this has been the case with the Big East schools since joining the ACC. Simply bettter competition in the ACC which they can’t compete at?

(04-06-2023 08:52 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(04-06-2023 07:30 PM)ccbfan Wrote:  The crazy thing about all this is that almost every school that moved moved from the big East basically failed in the eyes of the fans. (Except va tech) it’s pretty amazing how irrelevant each one of these schools got.

Yes the school makes more money but money doesn’t matter without success on the field. Unless you’re some weirdo, fans don’t get more joy from balance books than victory on the field/court. Especially victories over rivals.

I genuinely wonder why this has been the case with the Big East schools since joining the ACC. Simply bettter competition in the ACC which they can’t compete at?

BC was on-and-off successful in both the Big East and ACC. They've never consistently been an upper tier program.

Miami definitely fell off in football, perhaps coaching is the main reason. Basketball has steadily improved.

VaTech football fail is obviously coaching, while basketball is fine. They were only in the Big East hoops conference for a few seasons IIRC.

Syracuse is the most confusing. Perhaps the game passed Boeheim by. Football is doing okay under Babers.

Pitt lost Dixon, but seems to be on the right track. Narduzzi would routinely be winning the old Big East with his recent teams. They're in very good hands.

(04-06-2023 04:57 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  As for the basketball competitiveness... conference play is a zero sum game. Of course the team records are worse, they're worse for EVERYONE now that there's 15 teams in the league instead of 9 or 12.

In the 12-team ACC, going 9-7 in league play, 23-9 overall, NCAA tournament, 7 seed.
In the 15-team ACC, going 10-8 in league play, 20-14 overall, NCAA tournament, 10 seed.

That's just the nature of how conferences work.

This is probably one of the most overlooked points on this topic.

(04-06-2023 08:52 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  I genuinely wonder why this has been the case with the Big East schools since joining the ACC. Simply bettter competition in the ACC which they can’t compete at?

BC: Too distant from the other schools, can't recruit nationally in football. BC basketball hasn't made the NCAA's in 14 seasons.

Louisville: Football takes a back seat to UK and the SEC. Basketball lacks consistent program focus since Pitino left.

Pitt: Doesn't recruit well outside the Northeast, and consistently trails PSU there. Basketball tailed off under Stallings and is just climbing back.

Syracuse: Simply better competition in football exposed SU as mediocre. Lots of questions about the post-Boeheim era in basketball. What does the Carrier Dome look like with 10,000 a game?

(04-02-2023 02:27 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  ....
WVU is just not considered culturally or academically acceptable to the Tobacco Road schools. Well, the dominant trio of UNC, Duke, and UVA, at least.

WVU has some unfortunate demographic realities to deal with. It's not a case of being academically 'good enough.' WVU does many things well.

For any long-term affiliation it's a question of upside. The university's enrolment has dropped 10% since 2015. The state overall (never very populous) is losing population at a faster rate than any other.

The Mountaineers could still be a smart choice for a backfilling ACC that retains Pitt and Louisville and brings in Cincinnati. But the school does face some long-term challenges that no one envies.

https://www.thedaonline.com/news/wvu-con...92e20.html

My cousin in Connecticut shot me several texts from UConn parade in Hartford. 45,000 at the parade.