The last time the B1G won a national chip in hoops was 2000 Michigan State. This is a conference that has all the financial resources on par with the SEC. What is is the issue? They performed at a 6-8 [.429] clip in this year's NCAAT. No one advanced beyond the S16. #1 Rutgers lost in the NIT opening round and #3 Michigan lost in the second round. #2 Wisky lost to CUSA UNT in the NIT semi-final. Damn.

(03-28-2023 09:00 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The last time the B1G won a national chip in hoops was 2000 Michigan State. This is a conference that has all the financial resources on par with the SEC. What is is the issue? They performed at a 6-8 [.429] clip in this year's NCAAT. No one advanced beyond the S16. #1 Rutgers lost in the NIT opening round and #3 Michigan lost in the second round. #2 Wisky lost to CUSA UNT in the NIT semi-final. Damn.

Spot on Bearcat.

I'd go with the usual suspects when a league with high-resource schools underperforms badly in the postseason

1. Uninspired and/or shortsighted coaching hires

2. Stale, unattractive style of play unappealing to recruits

3. Complacency

(03-28-2023 09:33 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:00 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The last time the B1G won a national chip in hoops was 2000 Michigan State. This is a conference that has all the financial resources on par with the SEC. What is is the issue? They performed at a 6-8 [.429] clip in this year's NCAAT. No one advanced beyond the S16. #1 Rutgers lost in the NIT opening round and #3 Michigan lost in the second round. #2 Wisky lost to CUSA UNT in the NIT semi-final. Damn.

Spot on Bearcat.

I'd go with the usual suspects when a league with high-resource schools underperforms badly in the postseason

1. Uninspired and/or shortsighted coaching hires

2. Stale, unattractive style of play unappealing to recruits

3. Complacency

You had me at 1. The SEC schools that have historically kind of ignored, or deemphasized basketball are now taking it more seriously. But the ACC is down, so that's no excuse. I think that Indiana provides a good example of what ails the B1G in hoops, and perhaps most of them in football, too: they're more interested in not offending or causing problems than they are in actually winning Big. How in the world has Indiana only won 16 NCAAT games this CENTURY?!? Gonzaga has won 3x as many. UNC has almost won 4x as many. Indiana has the resources and the desire to field a top basketball team every season, yet they average .7 NCAAT win per season over a 23 year period?? They should have kept Sampson. Sure, he gets a bit overenthusiastic with his texts, but he also wins.

(03-28-2023 09:00 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The last time the B1G won a national chip in hoops was 2000 Michigan State.

National Championships since 2001:

ACC: 8
Big East: 6
Big XII: 3
SEC: 3
American: 1
B1G: zero
Pac-10/12: zero

(03-28-2023 09:50 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:00 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The last time the B1G won a national chip in hoops was 2000 Michigan State.

National Championships since 2001:

ACC: 8
Big East: 6
Big XII: 3
SEC: 3
American: 1
B1G: zero
Pac-10/12: zero

The American should have an enormous *.

(03-28-2023 10:43 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:50 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:00 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The last time the B1G won a national chip in hoops was 2000 Michigan State.

National Championships since 2001:

ACC: 8
Big East: 6
Big XII: 3
SEC: 3
American: 1
B1G: zero
Pac-10/12: zero

The American should have an enormous *.

The thread is about the B1G, not the American.

(03-28-2023 09:33 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:00 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The last time the B1G won a national chip in hoops was 2000 Michigan State. This is a conference that has all the financial resources on par with the SEC. What is is the issue? They performed at a 6-8 [.429] clip in this year's NCAAT. No one advanced beyond the S16. #1 Rutgers lost in the NIT opening round and #3 Michigan lost in the second round. #2 Wisky lost to CUSA UNT in the NIT semi-final. Damn.

Spot on Bearcat.

I'd go with the usual suspects when a league with high-resource schools underperforms badly in the postseason

1. Uninspired and/or shortsighted coaching hires

2. Stale, unattractive style of play unappealing to recruits

3. Complacency

I'd add in that the media overhypes these guys like crazy. There's a big gap between what they are SUPPOSED to do based on the hype and what they actually do. Go to youtube and watch march madness upsets compilations and a large contingent are against the Big 10. A year here and there is what it is. Upsets happen, but when a trends is established over decades, then they are clearly the most over-hyped conference in America.

Somebody else can do the work but I assume the recruiting is excellent in this league. So, what's the issue then?

(03-28-2023 09:33 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:00 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The last time the B1G won a national chip in hoops was 2000 Michigan State. This is a conference that has all the financial resources on par with the SEC. What is is the issue? They performed at a 6-8 [.429] clip in this year's NCAAT. No one advanced beyond the S16. #1 Rutgers lost in the NIT opening round and #3 Michigan lost in the second round. #2 Wisky lost to CUSA UNT in the NIT semi-final. Damn.

Spot on Bearcat.

I'd go with the usual suspects when a league with high-resource schools underperforms badly in the postseason

1. Uninspired and/or shortsighted coaching hires

2. Stale, unattractive style of play unappealing to recruits

3. Complacency

I would like to add a 4: The re-emergence of the new Big East has pulled talent away from that region as well. Xavier, Marquette, Creighton and DePaul are all in B1G footprint and, collectively, have recruited well.

Too much emphasis in football has caused their brand to suffer.

If you look at players in the NBA, the Pac-12, SEC and ACC average 50% more on a per school basis than the B1G.

B1G has huge basketball audience, but for whatever reason they have not been recruiting the talent.

What I notice is the B1G plays slower pace, and less NBA style than the other conferences. That a scrappy but mediocre talent Penn State nearly ran the table in the B1G tournament should be a warning. Now that I think about it, were I an open floor style wing with NBA potential, the B1G is the one major conference I would not want to play in.

I'm not giving credit to the B1G , but it should be noted that one of those ACC championships does belong to Maryland. The OP is still correct and the post is still valid. 2002 was still a long time ago.

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Sort of like how the ACC is waiting on Miami football to be Miami again, the B10 is waiting on Indiana to be Indiana again.

The Big Ten rosters offer an excessive number of key players who are a step slow and unable to jump sufficiently high.

The good news in women's basketball, the Big Ten got 3 teams into the elite 8 and 1team into the final 4.

The bad news is that the SEC got 2 teams into the women's final 4.

(03-29-2023 03:28 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Too much emphasis in football has caused their brand to suffer.

That's starting to affect ACC men's basketball as well. North Carolina made the Final Four last year but they were a #8 seed going into the tournament and didn't even make the NCAA Tournament this season. Virginia hasn't won a tournament game since the 2019 national championship. Louisville's a complete mess. Florida State finished below .500.

(03-28-2023 09:50 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:00 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The last time the B1G won a national chip in hoops was 2000 Michigan State.

National Championships since 2001:

ACC: 8
Big East: 6
Big XII: 3
SEC: 3
American: 1
B1G: zero
Pac-10/12: zero

I think this is a little misleading. SEC basketball has always equaled Kentucky + no one else. Florida had that nice run and now are back to oblivion. Big 12 has always equaled Kansas + no one else. Baylor won in the COVID year - asterisk.

Offhand, I believe the Big Ten has lost in 2002, 2013, and 2018. The 2013 title was later vacated so I'm not sure who really should be given that title.

Are you sure your list is correct? Shouldn't there be 21 total titles here? I think you missed the 2 Florida wins and SEC should be at 5.

IMO, it's the in-grown scheduling of the B1G. They get very little exposure to how BB is being played outside of the B1G. Maybe they should back off on the number of conference games, maybe they should work harder at playing neutral site games OOC or even H&H contracts OOC against top programs across the nation. Seems the current pattern among the B1G is they can get invitations & good seeding without competitive OOC games so they don't do it but it is costing them the type exposure they need to be competitive in the tourney because the B1G isn't geared to compete the way the rest of the country plays BB. So the B1G recruits to play B1G games which currently isn't competitive with the rest of BB outside the B1G.

(03-29-2023 03:28 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Too much emphasis in football has caused their brand to suffer.

LOL

All that emphasis and yet mighty Ohio State has not reached the heights of Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and LSU

Remind us again about Michigan's two CFP appearances

The rest of the B1G isn't even worth mentioning

Purdue won the regular-season title by three games, won the conference tournament and got eliminated from March Madness by a 16 seed that finished behind a D2 callup in a low-major league.

The B1G sucked B1Gtime this season.

And it's been trending that way for a while