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Would be like if a pro team got fans to pay for a stadium, a practice facility and new performance center in addition to tickets, seat licenses and licensed gear, there would still be dorks that would pony up if they sent out an email saying they needed more money for free agent signings to be able to compete.

Let the fleecing commence . People must have more $$ than sense.

(03-15-2023 10:43 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Would be like if a pro team got fans to pay for a stadium, a practice facility and new performance center in addition to tickets, seat licenses and licensed gear, there would still be dorks that would pony up if they sent out an email saying he needed more money for free agents signings to be able to compete.

Let the fleecing commence . People must have more $$ than sense.

That's a different point than the one you made about "hired guns." I gather that the NIL groups and the university will be pulling from the same straw to a large extent. I just don't see why someone would care much if it went to better dorms for the players or in the players' pockets.

No it's not. Fans are being asked to fund nearly everything including salaries now.

It's now a massive business.

At least the capital improvements actually benefit the alma mater long term and outlive the year before a kid hits the portal for another payday.

(03-15-2023 10:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  No it's not. Fans are being asked to fund nearly everything including salaries now.

It's now a massive business.

At least the capital improvements actually benefit the alma mater long term and outlive the year before a kid hits the portal for another payday.

Fans being asked to fund nearly everything is not new. It's been a massive business for a long time now. And colleges field big time basketball and football programs because there's a huge benefit to the school that outlives the tenure of the individual players.

(03-15-2023 11:08 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 10:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  No it's not. Fans are being asked to fund nearly everything including salaries now.

It's now a massive business.

At least the capital improvements actually benefit the alma mater long term and outlive the year before a kid hits the portal for another payday.

Fans being asked to fund nearly everything is not new. It's been a massive business for a long time now. And colleges field big time basketball and football programs because there's a huge benefit to the school that outlives the tenure of the individual players.

Yes and no. The current model is just legalizing the bagman and at the same time taxing the average fan. One can agree the players should be compensated and at the same time disagree with the manner it is done.

(03-15-2023 11:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:08 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 10:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  No it's not. Fans are being asked to fund nearly everything including salaries now.

It's now a massive business.

At least the capital improvements actually benefit the alma mater long term and outlive the year before a kid hits the portal for another payday.

Fans being asked to fund nearly everything is not new. It's been a massive business for a long time now. And colleges field big time basketball and football programs because there's a huge benefit to the school that outlives the tenure of the individual players.

Yes and no. The current model is just legalizing the bagman and at the same time taxing the average fan. One can agree the players should be compensated and at the same time disagree with the manner it is done.

What do you mean by "taxing the average fan"?

I don't really know enough about how these NIL things are set up and who's running them--I thought the schools had a big hand in it and it wasn't a bunch of bagmen? It seems the Cincy Reigns thing has the school's blessing?

(03-15-2023 11:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:08 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 10:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  No it's not. Fans are being asked to fund nearly everything including salaries now.

It's now a massive business.

At least the capital improvements actually benefit the alma mater long term and outlive the year before a kid hits the portal for another payday.

Fans being asked to fund nearly everything is not new. It's been a massive business for a long time now. And colleges field big time basketball and football programs because there's a huge benefit to the school that outlives the tenure of the individual players.

Yes and no. The current model is just legalizing the bagman and at the same time taxing the average fan. One can agree the players should be compensated and at the same time disagree with the manner it is done.

What do you mean by "taxing the average fan"?

I don't really know enough about how these NIL things are set up and who's running them--I thought the schools had a big hand in it and it wasn't a bunch of bagmen? It seems the Cincy Reigns thing has the school's blessing?

The school is not allowed to be involved in any way. These are set up as booster or fans sites to directly pay the players. With the current portal setup you can have guys pony up a bunch of cash and dude opts out halfway through the season and goes to a different school. Unlike a professional contract these guys are just grabbing cash. It’s a dumb investment (see Texas A&M). I’m fine with the guys getting paid, but then they should be employees of said university. We’ve flipped the script completely here and the players are no longer accountable to anything or anyone. This is going to be worse than MLB.

If you created an actual pro league and paid players, fine. But then the university then has to be “owners” and players need to be employees. If you did this without tying it to the emotional alumni of a university the league would fail within weeks.

Good points all around from both sides (all sides). I have mixed feelings on the current state of NIL. I don't think where we are right now is sustainable or the ultimate end result. I love that players can use their Name, Image, and Likeness. As an excuse to funnel money from boosters to players from the pockets of normal fans, I'm less enthralled, but if that's the way people want to support the program I'm good with it.

I think we'll come to an equilibrium at some point. What that will be I don't know.

The guy who runs Cincy Reigns is a committed Bearcat and by all accounts a hell of a guy. I hope it's successful, but my money for UC is still going to go through UCats and the Athletic Department.

(03-15-2023 12:01 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:08 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 10:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  No it's not. Fans are being asked to fund nearly everything including salaries now.

It's now a massive business.

At least the capital improvements actually benefit the alma mater long term and outlive the year before a kid hits the portal for another payday.

Fans being asked to fund nearly everything is not new. It's been a massive business for a long time now. And colleges field big time basketball and football programs because there's a huge benefit to the school that outlives the tenure of the individual players.

Yes and no. The current model is just legalizing the bagman and at the same time taxing the average fan. One can agree the players should be compensated and at the same time disagree with the manner it is done.

What do you mean by "taxing the average fan"?

I don't really know enough about how these NIL things are set up and who's running them--I thought the schools had a big hand in it and it wasn't a bunch of bagmen? It seems the Cincy Reigns thing has the school's blessing?

The school is not allowed to be involved in any way. These are set up as booster or fans sites to directly pay the players. With the current portal setup you can have guys pony up a bunch of cash and dude opts out halfway through the season and goes to a different school. Unlike a professional contract these guys are just grabbing cash. It’s a dumb investment (see Texas A&M). I’m fine with the guys getting paid, but then they should be employees of said university. We’ve flipped the script completely here and the players are no longer accountable to anything or anyone. This is going to be worse than MLB.

If you created an actual pro league and paid players, fine. But then the university then has to be “owners” and players need to be employees. If you did this without tying it to the emotional alumni of a university the league would fail within weeks.

Sorry, I didn't mean the schools are literally involved in their operation. I gather the compliance office will work with them and the programs will as well? Cincy Reigns's press conference yesterday was at UC with John Cunningham. I don't see how this is unaccountable bagmen.

As for whether players should be school employees, the NCAA and colleges had a long time to figure out how to cut the players in on the billions and billions of dollars these sports were generating. This NIL thing that developed out of a court case will likely evolve over time.

(03-15-2023 12:17 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 12:01 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:08 AM)levydl Wrote:  Fans being asked to fund nearly everything is not new. It's been a massive business for a long time now. And colleges field big time basketball and football programs because there's a huge benefit to the school that outlives the tenure of the individual players.

Yes and no. The current model is just legalizing the bagman and at the same time taxing the average fan. One can agree the players should be compensated and at the same time disagree with the manner it is done.

What do you mean by "taxing the average fan"?

I don't really know enough about how these NIL things are set up and who's running them--I thought the schools had a big hand in it and it wasn't a bunch of bagmen? It seems the Cincy Reigns thing has the school's blessing?

The school is not allowed to be involved in any way. These are set up as booster or fans sites to directly pay the players. With the current portal setup you can have guys pony up a bunch of cash and dude opts out halfway through the season and goes to a different school. Unlike a professional contract these guys are just grabbing cash. It’s a dumb investment (see Texas A&M). I’m fine with the guys getting paid, but then they should be employees of said university. We’ve flipped the script completely here and the players are no longer accountable to anything or anyone. This is going to be worse than MLB.

If you created an actual pro league and paid players, fine. But then the university then has to be “owners” and players need to be employees. If you did this without tying it to the emotional alumni of a university the league would fail within weeks.

Sorry, I didn't mean the schools are literally involved in their operation. I gather the compliance office will work with them and the programs will as well? Cincy Reigns's press conference yesterday was at UC with John Cunningham. I don't see how this is unaccountable bagmen.

As for whether players should be school employees, the NCAA and colleges had a long time to figure out how to cut the players in on the billions and billions of dollars these sports were generating. This NIL thing that developed out of a court case will likely evolve over time.

I do see it to be a confusing arrangement, at a minimum. I read the article in the Enquirer with John Cunningham talking about this and it sounds like a UC-led initiative to the average person. Then when you click on the link in the article it doesn't go to a UC website but the nomenclature is all about 'donations' so I think some people could think they are donating to a UC athletics campaign. Wonder how many people will try to deduct these 'donations' on their returns.

(03-15-2023 12:01 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 11:08 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 10:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  No it's not. Fans are being asked to fund nearly everything including salaries now.

It's now a massive business.

At least the capital improvements actually benefit the alma mater long term and outlive the year before a kid hits the portal for another payday.

Fans being asked to fund nearly everything is not new. It's been a massive business for a long time now. And colleges field big time basketball and football programs because there's a huge benefit to the school that outlives the tenure of the individual players.

Yes and no. The current model is just legalizing the bagman and at the same time taxing the average fan. One can agree the players should be compensated and at the same time disagree with the manner it is done.

What do you mean by "taxing the average fan"?

I don't really know enough about how these NIL things are set up and who's running them--I thought the schools had a big hand in it and it wasn't a bunch of bagmen? It seems the Cincy Reigns thing has the school's blessing?

The school is not allowed to be involved in any way. These are set up as booster or fans sites to directly pay the players. With the current portal setup you can have guys pony up a bunch of cash and dude opts out halfway through the season and goes to a different school. Unlike a professional contract these guys are just grabbing cash. It’s a dumb investment (see Texas A&M). I’m fine with the guys getting paid, but then they should be employees of said university. We’ve flipped the script completely here and the players are no longer accountable to anything or anyone. This is going to be worse than MLB.

If you created an actual pro league and paid players, fine. But then the university then has to be “owners” and players need to be employees. If you did this without tying it to the emotional alumni of a university the league would fail within weeks.

If they are employees, I'm fine with that too. I don't pay the employee's salaries of businesses that I support, either

Oh , and if they are employees, the workers compensation plaintiff attorneys are all going to be shopping for new yachts. Lol

I went to UC for all 3 degrees. I've only shelled out alumni donations once.. in 2014 in the fall right before the UC-OSU game.
I guess i should donate occasionally. UC has been good to me.

But part of it should be alumni money, then maybe a little NIL.

That was such a clear flop

Uc has 3 fouls. All 3 were on landers

I donated the $350. I don't love the NIL, but it's here, and if we want to compete we need to play the game. Us protesting the current environment isn't going to change the system, it's just going to negatively affect our school.

If my $350 to Cincy Reigns goes a small way to helping attract top talent to UC and helping us be competitive in the Big 12 then it's money well spent for me. I'm not going to miss that $350 at the end of the day. UC sports is one of my passions, so I have no problem donating this money.

I did likewise and for the same reasons

Upvote to the two last posters.

Every time there is a project, like adding the bubble, or financing the gym upgrade or the new practice facility, I chip in. For some reason I hesitate for this. I think it is that the other things are long term physical things that I can see and feel, whereas the NIL can be spent and gone in an instant.

(03-15-2023 08:48 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Uc has 3 fouls. All 3 were on landers

Someone's in the wrong thread

What I don't understand is how college athletic departments maintain their not for profit status when they're paying players. This isn't a charity, it's a competitive enterprise with paid athletes and staff who are let go if they don't win. Sounds like professional sports to me under the moniker of a college name. It will probably never happen, but whenever I see my congressional rep I tell them donated money to college sports being tax deductible should end.