(03-14-2023 11:23 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 09:42 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I suppose anything can be made political if that's where one wants to go. Or you can make it something else if you want to go there. I suspect that after a few decades of increases we're seeing a leveling off and maybe with the environment introduced by tablets and cell phones a slight decline. This is called the Flynn effect and it's well known not just in psychometric circles. [b]First, IQ is about 40 to 50% heritable when you're young and up to 80% heritable as you get older. [/b]That may sound confusing but it can be explained if you consider that as one gets older they're able to select their own environment to a certain extent. In other words your genetic inheritance and environment affect your IQ score. So as people became more urban in society became more complex the environment grew richer. Also nutrition got better so IQ increased. Now, as people are doing less socializing and more online activities the thinking is that the environment isn't as diverse as it once was. Being a *stare at a glass slab specialist* 4 hours on end doesn't necessarily make you generally more brainy. Doing a variety of activities and challenging yourself in a variety of ways does however. So the environmental effect on IQ has caused IQs to decline.


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That may be the dumbest sentence ever posted on this forum.

Total complete horse shite

Congrats

Mensa you have been beaten

I don't know if its true or not...but...it sounds racist. Remember the furor over the book "the bell curve"?

(03-14-2023 12:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 11:55 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Yeah I just checked .... read that, to date, they have identified 22 genes which have a moderate effect on intelligence. As far as "heritability".... You have to understand that while genetics certainly plays a role in your outcome it's not destiny. For example how tall you are seems to be 100% inherited. Right? But doesn't your environment also a player will role and how tall you are? Poor nutrition can affect your height. So identical twins with identical genetics can have radically different heights if one has proper healthcare and nutrition and the other is deprived of that. Same thing with intelligence as measured by IQ. You don't have a lot of control over your environment in childhood so your IQ is more determined by environment during childhood than it would be when you get older and can make your own choices. A smart child in an impoverished environment doesn't have a lot of control until he or she can drive herself to the library and pick her own friends. So heritability, aka the affect of genetics, grows as one matures.

There's also something called epigenetics. Your environment can actually turn genes off and on. So there's an effect there also.That's all.

provide a reference for this nonsense. you are completely an idiot. this is the kind of thing that helps morons like you sleep at night. gives you an excuse, something to blame for abject stupidity.

you wont provide a reference because its pseudoscience nonsense of the worst kind.

I'll provide a reference but you have to ask me in a nicer way. And apologize first. And a "please" wouldn't hurt.

(03-14-2023 11:55 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Yeah I just checked .... read that, to date, they have identified 22 genes which have a moderate effect on intelligence. As far as "heritability".... You have to understand that while genetics certainly plays a role in your outcome it's not destiny. For example how tall you are seems to be 100% inherited. Right? But doesn't your environment also a player will role and how tall you are? Poor nutrition can affect your height. So identical twins with identical genetics can have radically different heights if one has proper healthcare and nutrition and the other is deprived of that. Same thing with intelligence as measured by IQ. You don't have a lot of control over your environment in childhood so your IQ is more determined by environment during childhood than it would be when you get older and can make your own choices. A smart child in an impoverished environment doesn't have a lot of control until he or she can drive herself to the library and pick her own friends. So heritability, aka the affect of genetics, grows as one matures.

There's also something called epigenetics. Your environment can actually turn genes off and on. So there's an effect there also.That's all.

Did they site the markers for the 22 genes? If so what are they. For your information I'm also a identical twin.

(03-14-2023 12:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 12:03 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 11:55 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Yeah I just checked .... read that, to date, they have identified 22 genes which have a moderate effect on intelligence. As far as "heritability".... You have to understand that while genetics certainly plays a role in your outcome it's not destiny. For example how tall you are seems to be 100% inherited. Right? But doesn't your environment also a player will role and how tall you are? Poor nutrition can affect your height. So identical twins with identical genetics can have radically different heights if one has proper healthcare and nutrition and the other is deprived of that. Same thing with intelligence as measured by IQ. You don't have a lot of control over your environment in childhood so your IQ is more determined by environment during childhood than it would be when you get older and can make your own choices. A smart child in an impoverished environment doesn't have a lot of control until he or she can drive herself to the library and pick her own friends. So heritability, aka the affect of genetics, grows as one matures.

There's also something called epigenetics. Your environment can actually turn genes off and on. So there's an effect there also.That's all.

provide a reference for this nonsense. you are completely an idiot. this is the kind of thing that helps morons like you sleep at night. gives you an excuse, something to blame for abject stupidity.

you wont provide a reference because its pseudoscience nonsense of the worst kind.

I'll provide a reference but you have to ask me in a nicer way. And apologize first. And a "please" wouldn't hurt.

I just wanted to see if you could. I am very familiar with the Flynn nonsense that has been used to make stupid people having stupid kids feel better since the trash came out.
nah frick off. peddle that nonsense to your dumb peers to feel better.

Here's an abstract of a study done at Cambridge on heritability of IQ.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/...E7EF9B5E3F

(03-14-2023 12:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Here's an abstract of a study done at Cambridge on heritability of IQ.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/...E7EF9B5E3F

congrats youve learned teh google.

you just turned on the gene that gives you a couple of iq points. probably pushes you to 84



idiots

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(03-14-2023 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Anyone here ever taken an IQ test?

Yeah...me neither.

Yep, took one in school. For some reason they wouldn't let anyone know the results.

(03-14-2023 11:20 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Anyone here ever taken an IQ test?

Yeah...me neither.

Uh yeah. Doubled what was necessary for Mensa but did not join because they are dumb.

Nobody here will state the real reason IQ is declining for the first time in 100 years.

Google IQ map of the world and America's demographic trends. That will explain a lot.

Also, see a book called "The Bell Curve". A lot of inconvenient truths in there too.

(03-14-2023 12:15 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 11:55 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Yeah I just checked .... read that, to date, they have identified 22 genes which have a moderate effect on intelligence. As far as "heritability".... You have to understand that while genetics certainly plays a role in your outcome it's not destiny. For example how tall you are seems to be 100% inherited. Right? But doesn't your environment also a player will role and how tall you are? Poor nutrition can affect your height. So identical twins with identical genetics can have radically different heights if one has proper healthcare and nutrition and the other is deprived of that. Same thing with intelligence as measured by IQ. You don't have a lot of control over your environment in childhood so your IQ is more determined by environment during childhood than it would be when you get older and can make your own choices. A smart child in an impoverished environment doesn't have a lot of control until he or she can drive herself to the library and pick her own friends. So heritability, aka the affect of genetics, grows as one matures.

There's also something called epigenetics. Your environment can actually turn genes off and on. So there's an effect there also.That's all.

Did they site the markers for the 22 genes? If so what are they. For your information I'm also a identical twin.

Here's a paper that provides a nice overview and is current. I just have skimmed the first part but I can see where it's going so it may have info you're looking for. I'll also link the statement that there are, so far, 22 genes that have been found to have a moderate effect on IQ scores. But that's the conclusion they don't cite the location of those on the chromosomes.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-021-01027-y

Here's a Scientific American article that says the 22 Gene thing right in the title

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...evolution/

(03-14-2023 12:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Anyone here ever taken an IQ test?

Yeah...me neither.

Yep, took one in school. For some reason they wouldn't let anyone know the results.

They didn't want to discourage you.

I just took one for the first time ever. Granted, I've got kids running around in the background so I wasn't completely focused... it was 38 questions, timed. Also, it was an online one... so who knows how official it is.

It says 125. I don't have any idea if that is good, bad, or average.

"Thank you for your interest in the IQ Test at IQTest.com.

Your free IQ score is: 125"

(03-14-2023 12:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 12:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Here's an abstract of a study done at Cambridge on heritability of IQ.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/...E7EF9B5E3F

congrats youve learned teh google.

you just turned on the gene that gives you a couple of iq points. probably pushes you to 84



idiots

Out of curiosity, why do you think this is so outlandish? I get the whole nature vs nurture argument, but I would think there has to be some sort of genetic component in the case of siblings, twins, etc....

(03-14-2023 12:34 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Here's a Scientific American article that says the 22 Gene thing right in the title

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...evolution/

Thanks for the Links Tigercity.

(03-14-2023 12:40 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I just took one for the first time ever. Granted, I've got kids running around in the background so I wasn't completely focused... it was 38 questions, timed. Also, it was an online one... so who knows how official it is.

It says 125. I don't have any idea if that is good, bad, or average.

"Thank you for your interest in the IQ Test at IQTest.com.

Your free IQ score is: 125"

The average IQ for the general population is 100. This information is from one of the studies I'm reading right now.

(03-14-2023 01:00 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 12:34 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Here's a Scientific American article that says the 22 Gene thing right in the title

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...evolution/

Thanks for the Links Tigercity.

Here's a link to an older study that actually gives the location of 18 genes associated with IQ. You have to scroll down and click on table one. If you've done something like a 23andMe test you can download your raw results. Looking around out of curiosity they appear to have found quite a few more genes correlated with intelligence as measured by IQ

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...po=13.6364

(03-14-2023 01:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 01:00 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 12:34 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Here's a Scientific American article that says the 22 Gene thing right in the title

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...evolution/

Thanks for the Links Tigercity.

Here's a link to an older study that actually gives the location of 18 genes associated with IQ. You have to scroll down and click on table one. If you've done something like a 23andMe test you can download your raw results. Looking around out of curiosity they appear to have found quite a few more genes correlated with intelligence as measured by IQ

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...po=13.6364

Now, this is what I was looking for.

No surprise. People vote Dem so obviously there’s lots of low IQ fools in America

(03-14-2023 12:40 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 12:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 12:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Here's an abstract of a study done at Cambridge on heritability of IQ.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/...E7EF9B5E3F

congrats youve learned teh google.

you just turned on the gene that gives you a couple of iq points. probably pushes you to 84



idiots

Out of curiosity, why do you think this is so outlandish? I get the whole nature vs nurture argument, but I would think there has to be some sort of genetic component in the case of siblings, twins, etc....

because its social science nonsense to explain away the fact that some people are inherently stupid due to genetics. these are the same people that cant define a woman.

as far as being a twin, theyve done studies with identical clones that have differences due to what they call environemental "noise" or "static' for lack of a better term.

i really, honestly, i dont have the time it to commit to explaining this typical tigershitty prog filth pseudoscience nonsense anymore than i would the theory of ancient aliens building the pyramids. it is not worth the effort.

believe what your eyes tell you. some people are just frickin stupid and pass that on to their stupid offspring.

stupid people are reproducing like rabbits. there is your answer.