(03-09-2023 01:05 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  

Well played

I think the Big 12 if they are successful at adding teams from the Pac12 will begin with Arizona and either ASU/Colorado.

From there it's probably the best 2-4 team combo of who's willing to move of the remaining 8 schools. Wouldn't be shocked to see Oregon or UW as second cadence movers.

(03-09-2023 01:55 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

They would only have the votes as backfills at this point. The ACC is stuck/standing pat/etc.

Right! The reason for USC and UCLA's departure was to avoid having to sign or decline signing a new media deal. The fact that they left is why a new media deal isn't forthcoming. Nobody wants to offer a value when they don't know whether Washington or Oregon, or Stanford will still be there. So no new media deal, no new GOR. The gate is open. The reason nobody else has departed is because they are all hoping for a better offer from the Big 10 or someone else, and will use the Big 12 offer as the fallback position. Therefore, we have a kind of stalemate stemming from denial that no other offers have been forthcoming. They'll wait. The Big 10 will get a new commissioner and they'll wait on that hoping to be included. Now that FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC are raising doubts in the ACC they'll wait to see what happens there, though to a much lesser extent than the wait on the Big 10. When the Big 10 moves, the vast majority of those not offered will be calling Yormark. In fact Yormark should be listening to the Stones singing, "Time, is on my side. Yes it is!"

(03-09-2023 01:17 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:14 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:02 PM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:38 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:32 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  Lessssgo!

“ It may not stop with the entertainment aspect. Yormark continues to pursue the Pac-12's Four Corners schools: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah. There have been "weekly" conversations between the Big 12 and those four programs as talks have heated up, one league insider tells CBS Sports.”

"That, to me, is the one we have to get," Self said of Arizona.

"I've always thought the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah are a natural fit for us," Kansas State coach Jerome Tang said. "Who doesn't want to visit Arizona?"

As everyone in Morgantown and Orlando start thinking about the ACC.

I think those teams have likely bought in to the vision of being a national conference at this point and know what they are getting in to.

I have no idea if they would still rather be in the ACC, but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe they have, but I do know WVU has always wanted in the ACC especially after the BE split up and Pitt, BC, VPI and Syracuse joined.

Counterpoint, there's a decent chance that Pitt and Cuse might be available for the Big 12 to add once the BIG and SEC go on their feeding frenzy.

True, but that ACC GOR is gonna be in place for a long time. A lot can happen before then. 10 years from now you might start seeing some of the left over P5 schools saying the hell with all this cross country crap. We need to start a new East coast conference that has regional rivals and promotes fan interest.

Yormark's reaction to Kliavkoff:

(03-09-2023 01:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  "...Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving.

"The damn breaking, in a sense," one source said.

As is confidence in the Pac-12 getting a new media rights deal that will keep the 10 schools together...."

Curious as to whether those sources were media company execs, ADs or simply someone like a journalist at SBJ or the Athletic.

One of the sources is the homeless guy that told Haslem to draft Johnny Manziel.

(03-09-2023 02:02 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:17 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:14 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:02 PM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:38 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  As everyone in Morgantown and Orlando start thinking about the ACC.

I think those teams have likely bought in to the vision of being a national conference at this point and know what they are getting in to.

I have no idea if they would still rather be in the ACC, but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe they have, but I do know WVU has always wanted in the ACC especially after the BE split up and Pitt, BC, VPI and Syracuse joined.

Counterpoint, there's a decent chance that Pitt and Cuse might be available for the Big 12 to add once the BIG and SEC go on their feeding frenzy.

True, but that ACC GOR is gonna be in place for a long time. A lot can happen before then. 10 years from now you might start seeing some of the left over P5 schools saying the hell with all this cross country crap. We need to start a new East coast conference that has regional rivals and promotes fan interest.

10 years from now will be way too late for some schools. It will happens sometime between now and the end of the B12 GoR. Any low value ACC schools still clinging to the ship in 10-13 years are sunk, if the membership remains the same as today.

Matt Brown's only tweet since the Dodd story was published:

"the devil works hard but the big 12 press operation works harder"


https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP/status/1...7706680325

(03-09-2023 02:10 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 02:02 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:17 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:14 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:02 PM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  I think those teams have likely bought in to the vision of being a national conference at this point and know what they are getting in to.

I have no idea if they would still rather be in the ACC, but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe they have, but I do know WVU has always wanted in the ACC especially after the BE split up and Pitt, BC, VPI and Syracuse joined.

Counterpoint, there's a decent chance that Pitt and Cuse might be available for the Big 12 to add once the BIG and SEC go on their feeding frenzy.

True, but that ACC GOR is gonna be in place for a long time. A lot can happen before then. 10 years from now you might start seeing some of the left over P5 schools saying the hell with all this cross country crap. We need to start a new East coast conference that has regional rivals and promotes fan interest.

10 years from now will be way too late for some schools. It will happens sometime between now and the end of the B12 GoR. Any low value ACC schools still clinging to the ship in 10-13 years are sunk, if the membership remains the same as today.

It will be interesting to watch for sure, no doubt.

(03-09-2023 02:10 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 02:02 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:17 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:14 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:02 PM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  I think those teams have likely bought in to the vision of being a national conference at this point and know what they are getting in to.

I have no idea if they would still rather be in the ACC, but I wouldn't count on it.

Maybe they have, but I do know WVU has always wanted in the ACC especially after the BE split up and Pitt, BC, VPI and Syracuse joined.

Counterpoint, there's a decent chance that Pitt and Cuse might be available for the Big 12 to add once the BIG and SEC go on their feeding frenzy.

True, but that ACC GOR is gonna be in place for a long time. A lot can happen before then. 10 years from now you might start seeing some of the left over P5 schools saying the hell with all this cross country crap. We need to start a new East coast conference that has regional rivals and promotes fan interest.

10 years from now will be way too late for some schools. It will happens sometime between now and the end of the B12 GoR. Any low value ACC schools still clinging to the ship in 10-13 years are sunk, if the membership remains the same as today.

Too many people underestimate the power of necessity. There is nothing on the horizon which would lessen necessity, and there are half a dozen things on the horizon which will only intensify it. College presidents are smart people, though not necessarily good businesspeople. They will recognize the obvious if they haven't already because their advisors will be pointing it out daily. Right now, they want to see what plays out elsewhere before they act. They will probably remain comfortable for a 2-year window, or until something dramatic happens elsewhere. But you have to acknowledge that if OU and UT and then USC and UCLA weren't dramatic enough already Pay for Play and possible Profit Sharing and Damages ought to get her done.

(03-09-2023 01:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:32 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

Even with those adds, the Big 12 is still behind the ACC.

Not when there’s multiple members of the ACC that are publicly announcing their intentions to get out of that conference. B12 is stable, ACC going to get ripped apart in a few years and everyone knows it. And after it gets ripped apart, no one is going to want to stay in the ACC that doesn’t have Clemson, FSU, UNC, and UVA in it.

Do you happen to have links to the official statements about any of those schools intending to leave the ACC?

While we can all admire the courage of the Titanic band who played on to the bitter end, you take it to a whole other level. Do you play an instrument or will you be conducting the orchestra of denial?

(03-09-2023 01:06 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  The most impactful statement of the article:

“Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving.”

Score one for the message board geniuses?

(03-09-2023 02:21 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:32 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

Even with those adds, the Big 12 is still behind the ACC.

Not when there’s multiple members of the ACC that are publicly announcing their intentions to get out of that conference. B12 is stable, ACC going to get ripped apart in a few years and everyone knows it. And after it gets ripped apart, no one is going to want to stay in the ACC that doesn’t have Clemson, FSU, UNC, and UVA in it.

Do you happen to have links to the official statements about any of those schools intending to leave the ACC?

While we can all admire the courage of the Titanic band who played on to the bitter end, you take it to a whole other level. Do you play an instrument or will you be conducting the orchestra of denial?

Ha! Does it matter if he plays or conducts? They all drowned to the man! No Survivors!

I think an interesting quote from the article is:

"It may only take one of the Four Corners schools to bolt from the Pac-12 for the other three to follow, Big 12 sources say."

I have assumed they will act in concert, all or none. But might make sense that someone has to be the one to commit first, at least behind the scenes.

(03-09-2023 02:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:55 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

They would only have the votes as backfills at this point. The ACC is stuck/standing pat/etc.

Right! The reason for USC and UCLA's departure was to avoid having to sign or decline signing a new media deal. The fact that they left is why a new media deal isn't forthcoming. Nobody wants to offer a value when they don't know whether Washington or Oregon, or Stanford will still be there. So no new media deal, no new GOR. The gate is open. The reason nobody else has departed is because they are all hoping for a better offer from the Big 10 or someone else, and will use the Big 12 offer as the fallback position. Therefore, we have a kind of stalemate stemming from denial that no other offers have been forthcoming. They'll wait. The Big 10 will get a new commissioner and they'll wait on that hoping to be included. Now that FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC are raising doubts in the ACC they'll wait to see what happens there, though to a much lesser extent than the wait on the Big 10. When the Big 10 moves, the vast majority of those not offered will be calling Yormark. In fact Yormark should be listening to the Stones singing, "Time, is on my side. Yes it is!"

*cough*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_(1998_film)

So are you saying Yomark is Hobbes, or Reese? : )

Oh wait:

(03-09-2023 02:11 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Matt Brown's only tweet since the Dodd story was published:

"the devil works hard but the big 12 press operation works harder"


https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP/status/1...7706680325

...

I think the Big 12 would give the eastern schools an out if the ACC wanted to expand inventory and get some rivalry games back. Obviously the Presidents would have to approve, but if the money is additive (especially if factoring in unequal distributions with a floor), it may make sense for ESPN to move them to the ACC while expanding with the 4C plus SDSU/Zaga. Less than 5%, but it's possible they take it down to P2 M2 setup.

(03-09-2023 02:30 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 02:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 01:55 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

They would only have the votes as backfills at this point. The ACC is stuck/standing pat/etc.

Right! The reason for USC and UCLA's departure was to avoid having to sign or decline signing a new media deal. The fact that they left is why a new media deal isn't forthcoming. Nobody wants to offer a value when they don't know whether Washington or Oregon, or Stanford will still be there. So no new media deal, no new GOR. The gate is open. The reason nobody else has departed is because they are all hoping for a better offer from the Big 10 or someone else, and will use the Big 12 offer as the fallback position. Therefore, we have a kind of stalemate stemming from denial that no other offers have been forthcoming. They'll wait. The Big 10 will get a new commissioner and they'll wait on that hoping to be included. Now that FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC are raising doubts in the ACC they'll wait to see what happens there, though to a much lesser extent than the wait on the Big 10. When the Big 10 moves, the vast majority of those not offered will be calling Yormark. In fact Yormark should be listening to the Stones singing, "Time, is on my side. Yes it is!"

*cough*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_(1998_film)

So are you saying Yomark is Hobbes, or Reese? : )

Oh wait:

(03-09-2023 02:11 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Matt Brown's only tweet since the Dodd story was published:

"the devil works hard but the big 12 press operation works harder"


https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP/status/1...7706680325

...

Well now that depends upon whether you are an existentialist or believe in escathology doesn't it? Yormark seems to have faith in what is to come!

(03-09-2023 01:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:54 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 12:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Watch West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF to contact ACC for them to join that conference. BYU was enough, but those four would make their other sports a headache to travel cross country for.

But, Dodd and others also said that the AAC would grab the Big 12 schools as well to a point that the Big 12 would be no more. I am taking these writers like Dodd and others with a grain of salt because they have been wrong in the past before.

Good to be skeptical regarding Dodd. But I don't foresee West Virginia, Cincinnati and UCF wanting to join an ACC that they feel will likely be ripped apart at some point by the Big Ten and the SEC. And if the Four Corners schools move to the Big 12 (which is seeming more and more likely), that move will be (in large part) because those four schools feel the Pac 12 could lose Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten.

The Big 12 is trying to position itself to be the clear "No. 3" all-sports league once the game of musical chairs stops. Get the Four Corners and the league is on its way to successfully accomplishing that goal.

Even with those adds, the Big 12 is still behind the ACC.

No, it's not. Clearly best basketball conference..no worse than No.3 in football. No.3 in revenue. The ACC isn't higher in any metric.