(04-14-2023 09:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:30 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 05:51 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 01:03 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

They are trying to change history so quickly to fit their narrative that they can’t erase things fast enough to make anything stick now. They’ll say anything to sell a war, and anything to get ahold of Russias resources and control their foreign policy and central bank.


Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Repeat: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Again: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Anyone catching on yet?

The Russians invaded a sovereign country. For whatever reasons. Now, because of their corrupt and tyrannical form of government, they are sacrificing hundreds of thousands of their own men. Uselessly thrown at an enemy like civil war skirmishes over territory of little strategic value. They have seriously damaged their war machine. Resorting to sending 60 year old tanks with crews of barely trained men out on the battlefield to simply exhaust the Ukrainians ammunition. No regard for human life or that of civilians. Russian speakers or not. None of this needed to happen. It is only the results of one thing. A short little egotistical tyrant who sees himself as a great conqueror. Regardless of what some say on these pages, that is the only reason for this carnage.
Some here don’t want to be involved. I understand that. Seems money and hardware being sucked up by the boatloads. Corruption eating up much of it.
But you, you have a different view point. You seem to feel pity for the little tyrant. You seem to believe in him and his quest for more kingdom and power. You and those like you are facilitators of this evil madness.
Putin’s little tyrant ass needs to meet the fate of most all of those before him. An enigmatic inglorious death.
Hopefully the people of Russia will in the end choose to join the world as a peaceful and prosperous nation. Only then will the money spent be worth it.

In short, Regime Change 101–take no responsibility for what happens when it goes wrong.

Again, the Ukraine was neither going to nor had the resources to invade Russia. Russian meddling led to a regime change. This is the straw man propaganda used by Putin to justify his ambition. Then came protecting the Russian speaking people. Then came de-nazification. Then fighting NATO, which BTW, most Russians have no idea what NATO is. One reason after another.
Putin is the sole reason for the carnage in the Ukraine. No one else. Not America. Not Germany. Not Poland. Not Great Britain. No one but the little short man complex riddled tyrant.

(04-14-2023 01:03 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Some of us tried to explain this very thing but got called putin lovers.

Dumb frickers

(04-14-2023 10:24 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:30 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 05:51 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 01:03 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

They are trying to change history so quickly to fit their narrative that they can’t erase things fast enough to make anything stick now. They’ll say anything to sell a war, and anything to get ahold of Russias resources and control their foreign policy and central bank.


Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Repeat: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Again: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Anyone catching on yet?

The Russians invaded a sovereign country. For whatever reasons. Now, because of their corrupt and tyrannical form of government, they are sacrificing hundreds of thousands of their own men. Uselessly thrown at an enemy like civil war skirmishes over territory of little strategic value. They have seriously damaged their war machine. Resorting to sending 60 year old tanks with crews of barely trained men out on the battlefield to simply exhaust the Ukrainians ammunition. No regard for human life or that of civilians. Russian speakers or not. None of this needed to happen. It is only the results of one thing. A short little egotistical tyrant who sees himself as a great conqueror. Regardless of what some say on these pages, that is the only reason for this carnage.
Some here don’t want to be involved. I understand that. Seems money and hardware being sucked up by the boatloads. Corruption eating up much of it.
But you, you have a different view point. You seem to feel pity for the little tyrant. You seem to believe in him and his quest for more kingdom and power. You and those like you are facilitators of this evil madness.
Putin’s little tyrant ass needs to meet the fate of most all of those before him. An enigmatic inglorious death.
Hopefully the people of Russia will in the end choose to join the world as a peaceful and prosperous nation. Only then will the money spent be worth it.

In short, Regime Change 101–take no responsibility for what happens when it goes wrong.

Again, the Ukraine was neither going to nor had the resources to invade Russia. Russian meddling led to a regime change. This is the straw man propaganda used by Putin to justify his ambition. Then came protecting the Russian speaking people. Then came de-nazification. Then fighting NATO, which BTW, most Russians have no idea what NATO is. One reason after another.
Putin is the sole reason for the carnage in the Ukraine. No one else. Not America. Not Germany. Not Poland. Not Great Britain. No one but the little short man complex riddled tyrant.

And all it took for Putin to attack was a US backed regime change that began a immediate onslaught on any ethnic Russian who dared to back the government they voted in.

In response to killing civilians, the US and the world proceeded to load Ukraine up with cash and weapons for 8 straight years as a reward.

Again, create chaos and take no responsibility for the death and destruction that we leave in the wake. Same as we did in Iran many years ago, same in Afghanistan, same in Libya, and of course, Iraq and all over Central America. And not one time does the deep state that steals our money own up to any it.

They thought it would be funny to push Russias buttons and see what the reaction would be. Well, Ukraine found out and so did the rest of the world. Get on Russias borders with your regime change BS and watch watch happens lol.

We tried it by attacking Russian peace keepers in South Osseatia too. How’d that turn out? Not so well for Saakashvili because he’s in jail by the new Georgian government.

How’d the operation in Kazakhstan work out? I’d ask the operatives, but all those foreign mercenaries are dead now because Russian Spetnaz were called in and bombed the holy living $hit out of them. The ones that were scheduled to arrive to create a second front for Russia all went to Ukraine instead.

We brought the war to Putin. He didn’t bring the war to us. No responsibility ever taken. All the deep State does is make everyone’s lives worse, including our own. All so they can get richer.

Anyne who thinks Russian don’t know what NATO is must be dumb as dirt.

(04-15-2023 01:07 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 10:24 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:30 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 05:51 PM)Todor Wrote:  They are trying to change history so quickly to fit their narrative that they can’t erase things fast enough to make anything stick now. They’ll say anything to sell a war, and anything to get ahold of Russias resources and control their foreign policy and central bank.


Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Repeat: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Again: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Anyone catching on yet?

The Russians invaded a sovereign country. For whatever reasons. Now, because of their corrupt and tyrannical form of government, they are sacrificing hundreds of thousands of their own men. Uselessly thrown at an enemy like civil war skirmishes over territory of little strategic value. They have seriously damaged their war machine. Resorting to sending 60 year old tanks with crews of barely trained men out on the battlefield to simply exhaust the Ukrainians ammunition. No regard for human life or that of civilians. Russian speakers or not. None of this needed to happen. It is only the results of one thing. A short little egotistical tyrant who sees himself as a great conqueror. Regardless of what some say on these pages, that is the only reason for this carnage.
Some here don’t want to be involved. I understand that. Seems money and hardware being sucked up by the boatloads. Corruption eating up much of it.
But you, you have a different view point. You seem to feel pity for the little tyrant. You seem to believe in him and his quest for more kingdom and power. You and those like you are facilitators of this evil madness.
Putin’s little tyrant ass needs to meet the fate of most all of those before him. An enigmatic inglorious death.
Hopefully the people of Russia will in the end choose to join the world as a peaceful and prosperous nation. Only then will the money spent be worth it.

In short, Regime Change 101–take no responsibility for what happens when it goes wrong.

Again, the Ukraine was neither going to nor had the resources to invade Russia. Russian meddling led to a regime change. This is the straw man propaganda used by Putin to justify his ambition. Then came protecting the Russian speaking people. Then came de-nazification. Then fighting NATO, which BTW, most Russians have no idea what NATO is. One reason after another.
Putin is the sole reason for the carnage in the Ukraine. No one else. Not America. Not Germany. Not Poland. Not Great Britain. No one but the little short man complex riddled tyrant.

And all it took for Putin to attack was a US backed regime change that began a immediate onslaught on any ethnic Russian who dared to back the government they voted in.

In response to killing civilians, the US and the world proceeded to load Ukraine up with cash and weapons for 8 straight years as a reward.

Again, create chaos and take no responsibility for the death and destruction that we leave in the wake. Same as we did in Iran many years ago, same in Afghanistan, same in Libya, and of course, Iraq and all over Central America. And not one time does the deep state that steals our money own up to any it.

They thought it would be funny to push Russias buttons and see what the reaction would be. Well, Ukraine found out and so did the rest of the world. Get on Russias borders with your regime change BS and watch watch happens lol.

We tried it by attacking Russian peace keepers in South Osseatia too. How’d that turn out? Not so well for Saakashvili because he’s in jail by the new Georgian government.

How’d the operation in Kazakhstan work out? I’d ask the operatives, but all those foreign mercenaries are dead now because Russian Spetnaz were called in and bombed the holy living $hit out of them. The ones that were scheduled to arrive to create a second front for Russia all went to Ukraine instead.

We brought the war to Putin. He didn’t bring the war to us. No responsibility ever taken. All the deep State does is make everyone’s lives worse, including own. All so they can get richer.

Anyne who thinks Russian don’t know want NATO is must be dumb as dirt.

Weve been trying ro explain it.

Dammit i get so sick of this kinda shite

Dumb fricks

Nobody likes to admit they have been deceived and gotten rooked, big time. They believe their own propaganda.

Uncle Sam is quickly being revealed to be more like the Wizard of Oz.

(04-15-2023 04:18 PM)Todor Wrote:  Nobody likes to admit they have been deceived and gotten rooked, big time. They believe their own propaganda.

Uncle Sam is quickly being revealed to be more like the Wizard of Oz.

I didnt fall for it. Many of us didnt.

The covid freaks became ukraine freaks

We need more critical thinkers and fewer facebook sheep

This is just another endless war people have been whining about, now they're all for it b/c America is always looking for a fight. Then when it's revealed how pointless this war was, they'll complain how evil America is trying to impose our will on other countries. That's how we roll. As long as they have a villain to sell, people will keep buying it, & they always have villains to sell. It's fear-mongering.

Unfortunately it is very popular even amongst 2X Trump & Republican voters I know. Part of our American heritage & the influence the neocons have.

Not sure what DeSantis's thoughts are on this war, but I bet we don't reduce spending on it IF he gets in. (We might amp the spending up, then the liberal war-mongerers will bring back their Hippie roots)

(04-14-2023 10:24 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:30 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 05:51 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 01:03 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

They are trying to change history so quickly to fit their narrative that they can’t erase things fast enough to make anything stick now. They’ll say anything to sell a war, and anything to get ahold of Russias resources and control their foreign policy and central bank.


Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Repeat: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Again: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Anyone catching on yet?

The Russians invaded a sovereign country. For whatever reasons. Now, because of their corrupt and tyrannical form of government, they are sacrificing hundreds of thousands of their own men. Uselessly thrown at an enemy like civil war skirmishes over territory of little strategic value. They have seriously damaged their war machine. Resorting to sending 60 year old tanks with crews of barely trained men out on the battlefield to simply exhaust the Ukrainians ammunition. No regard for human life or that of civilians. Russian speakers or not. None of this needed to happen. It is only the results of one thing. A short little egotistical tyrant who sees himself as a great conqueror. Regardless of what some say on these pages, that is the only reason for this carnage.
Some here don’t want to be involved. I understand that. Seems money and hardware being sucked up by the boatloads. Corruption eating up much of it.
But you, you have a different view point. You seem to feel pity for the little tyrant. You seem to believe in him and his quest for more kingdom and power. You and those like you are facilitators of this evil madness.
Putin’s little tyrant ass needs to meet the fate of most all of those before him. An enigmatic inglorious death.
Hopefully the people of Russia will in the end choose to join the world as a peaceful and prosperous nation. Only then will the money spent be worth it.

In short, Regime Change 101–take no responsibility for what happens when it goes wrong.

Again, the Ukraine was neither going to nor had the resources to invade Russia. Russian meddling led to a regime change. This is the straw man propaganda used by Putin to justify his ambition. Then came protecting the Russian speaking people. Then came de-nazification. Then fighting NATO, which BTW, most Russians have no idea what NATO is. One reason after another.
Putin is the sole reason for the carnage in the Ukraine. No one else. Not America. Not Germany. Not Poland. Not Great Britain. No one but the little short man complex riddled tyrant.

The straw man argument is saying that Ukraine wasn't going to invade Russia. Of course not, and that's not the reason for the war. NATO is, with their offer of a plan for membership along with Georgia. No way Russia was going to go for that and NATO knew it, or at least they should have. Germany warned them. France warned them. Other European nations warned them. But they just turned the blind eye. This war was going to happen no matter who the leader of Russia is. There are countless documentaries and other videos as to why Russia reacted in the way that it did but the original post pretty much sums it up. That reaction is in no way different than ours would have been. None.

(04-15-2023 08:44 PM)HCJag Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 10:24 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:30 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 05:51 PM)Todor Wrote:  They are trying to change history so quickly to fit their narrative that they can’t erase things fast enough to make anything stick now. They’ll say anything to sell a war, and anything to get ahold of Russias resources and control their foreign policy and central bank.


Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Repeat: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Again: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Anyone catching on yet?

The Russians invaded a sovereign country. For whatever reasons. Now, because of their corrupt and tyrannical form of government, they are sacrificing hundreds of thousands of their own men. Uselessly thrown at an enemy like civil war skirmishes over territory of little strategic value. They have seriously damaged their war machine. Resorting to sending 60 year old tanks with crews of barely trained men out on the battlefield to simply exhaust the Ukrainians ammunition. No regard for human life or that of civilians. Russian speakers or not. None of this needed to happen. It is only the results of one thing. A short little egotistical tyrant who sees himself as a great conqueror. Regardless of what some say on these pages, that is the only reason for this carnage.
Some here don’t want to be involved. I understand that. Seems money and hardware being sucked up by the boatloads. Corruption eating up much of it.
But you, you have a different view point. You seem to feel pity for the little tyrant. You seem to believe in him and his quest for more kingdom and power. You and those like you are facilitators of this evil madness.
Putin’s little tyrant ass needs to meet the fate of most all of those before him. An enigmatic inglorious death.
Hopefully the people of Russia will in the end choose to join the world as a peaceful and prosperous nation. Only then will the money spent be worth it.

In short, Regime Change 101–take no responsibility for what happens when it goes wrong.

Again, the Ukraine was neither going to nor had the resources to invade Russia. Russian meddling led to a regime change. This is the straw man propaganda used by Putin to justify his ambition. Then came protecting the Russian speaking people. Then came de-nazification. Then fighting NATO, which BTW, most Russians have no idea what NATO is. One reason after another.
Putin is the sole reason for the carnage in the Ukraine. No one else. Not America. Not Germany. Not Poland. Not Great Britain. No one but the little short man complex riddled tyrant.

The straw man argument is saying that Ukraine wasn't going to invade Russia. Of course not, and that's not the reason for the war. NATO is, with their offer of a plan for membership along with Georgia. No way Russia was going to go for that and NATO knew it, or at least they should have. Germany warned them. France warned them. Other European nations warned them. But they just turned the blind eye. This war was going to happen no matter who the leader of Russia is. There are countless documentaries and other videos as to why Russia reacted in the way that it did but the original post pretty much sums it up. That reaction is in no way different than ours would have been. None.

All correct.

The moment nato switched from only defending its own territory to invading other countries, it became a major threat to multiple countries.

After the Cold War, it reinvented itself. But unfortunately, it became something more aggressive, expeditionary, even more expensive and with no a clear goals.

(04-15-2023 08:44 PM)HCJag Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 10:24 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:30 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 05:51 PM)Todor Wrote:  They are trying to change history so quickly to fit their narrative that they can’t erase things fast enough to make anything stick now. They’ll say anything to sell a war, and anything to get ahold of Russias resources and control their foreign policy and central bank.


Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Repeat: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Again: Any country unwilling to surrender those 3 things to the west will never know peace and will be under constant attack.

Anyone catching on yet?

The Russians invaded a sovereign country. For whatever reasons. Now, because of their corrupt and tyrannical form of government, they are sacrificing hundreds of thousands of their own men. Uselessly thrown at an enemy like civil war skirmishes over territory of little strategic value. They have seriously damaged their war machine. Resorting to sending 60 year old tanks with crews of barely trained men out on the battlefield to simply exhaust the Ukrainians ammunition. No regard for human life or that of civilians. Russian speakers or not. None of this needed to happen. It is only the results of one thing. A short little egotistical tyrant who sees himself as a great conqueror. Regardless of what some say on these pages, that is the only reason for this carnage.
Some here don’t want to be involved. I understand that. Seems money and hardware being sucked up by the boatloads. Corruption eating up much of it.
But you, you have a different view point. You seem to feel pity for the little tyrant. You seem to believe in him and his quest for more kingdom and power. You and those like you are facilitators of this evil madness.
Putin’s little tyrant ass needs to meet the fate of most all of those before him. An enigmatic inglorious death.
Hopefully the people of Russia will in the end choose to join the world as a peaceful and prosperous nation. Only then will the money spent be worth it.

In short, Regime Change 101–take no responsibility for what happens when it goes wrong.

Again, the Ukraine was neither going to nor had the resources to invade Russia. Russian meddling led to a regime change. This is the straw man propaganda used by Putin to justify his ambition. Then came protecting the Russian speaking people. Then came de-nazification. Then fighting NATO, which BTW, most Russians have no idea what NATO is. One reason after another.
Putin is the sole reason for the carnage in the Ukraine. No one else. Not America. Not Germany. Not Poland. Not Great Britain. No one but the little short man complex riddled tyrant.

The straw man argument is saying that Ukraine wasn't going to invade Russia. Of course not, and that's not the reason for the war. NATO is, with their offer of a plan for membership along with Georgia. No way Russia was going to go for that and NATO knew it, or at least they should have. Germany warned them. France warned them. Other European nations warned them. But they just turned the blind eye. This war was going to happen no matter who the leader of Russia is. There are countless documentaries and other videos as to why Russia reacted in the way that it did but the original post pretty much sums it up. That reaction is in no way different than ours would have been. None.

And this ridiculous crap isnt going to hunt either. NATO wasnt any threat to attack Russia---whether Ukraine was part of the alliance or not. If NATO was itching for a war---they'd be rolling through Crimea a year ago. The question any criticlal thinking person would have to ask is---"Why are all these old Warsaw Pact nations keep asking to be part of NATO?" Why---could it be they feel threatened by Russia's behavior? Could it be that having spent years under Russia's thumb---they understood it was only a matter of time before another strong man wanting an empire would rise to power in Russia again?

Seriously---if your going to regurgitate Putins propaganda like a good little sock puppet---at least dress it up a little before you try to sell it here. Putins had about a hundred different so called reason for his invasion from "Nazi's" to "protecting Russian speaking people" to a historical manifest destiny for Russia to rebuild its once great empire. This "NATO did it" view is just flat earther QANON level silly. NATO doesnt have a darn thing to do with starting this war. This was a Putin land grab---nothing more. One need only look at a map of where Ukraines oil rights lie (including their off shore Black Sea rights) to see why Russia wants those areas they began seizing in 2014. Just think back to 2014----Crimea didnt have a darn thing to do with Donbas in 2014---Putin just saw an opportune moment to bag some oil rights and a nice warm water port---so he grabbed it. This is just round two. The problem is, Putin miscalculated because he assumed Ukraine was the same easy push overs they were in 2014----and he assumed the West would do virtually nothing to help Ukraine---just like they did in 2014 (when Obama sent blankets, but refused to sell Ukraine any lethal aid). Its amazing how many Republicans apparently have suddenly become huge fans of Obama's foreign policy.

(04-15-2023 10:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2023 08:44 PM)HCJag Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 10:24 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:30 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  The Russians invaded a sovereign country. For whatever reasons. Now, because of their corrupt and tyrannical form of government, they are sacrificing hundreds of thousands of their own men. Uselessly thrown at an enemy like civil war skirmishes over territory of little strategic value. They have seriously damaged their war machine. Resorting to sending 60 year old tanks with crews of barely trained men out on the battlefield to simply exhaust the Ukrainians ammunition. No regard for human life or that of civilians. Russian speakers or not. None of this needed to happen. It is only the results of one thing. A short little egotistical tyrant who sees himself as a great conqueror. Regardless of what some say on these pages, that is the only reason for this carnage.
Some here don’t want to be involved. I understand that. Seems money and hardware being sucked up by the boatloads. Corruption eating up much of it.
But you, you have a different view point. You seem to feel pity for the little tyrant. You seem to believe in him and his quest for more kingdom and power. You and those like you are facilitators of this evil madness.
Putin’s little tyrant ass needs to meet the fate of most all of those before him. An enigmatic inglorious death.
Hopefully the people of Russia will in the end choose to join the world as a peaceful and prosperous nation. Only then will the money spent be worth it.

In short, Regime Change 101–take no responsibility for what happens when it goes wrong.

Again, the Ukraine was neither going to nor had the resources to invade Russia. Russian meddling led to a regime change. This is the straw man propaganda used by Putin to justify his ambition. Then came protecting the Russian speaking people. Then came de-nazification. Then fighting NATO, which BTW, most Russians have no idea what NATO is. One reason after another.
Putin is the sole reason for the carnage in the Ukraine. No one else. Not America. Not Germany. Not Poland. Not Great Britain. No one but the little short man complex riddled tyrant.

The straw man argument is saying that Ukraine wasn't going to invade Russia. Of course not, and that's not the reason for the war. NATO is, with their offer of a plan for membership along with Georgia. No way Russia was going to go for that and NATO knew it, or at least they should have. Germany warned them. France warned them. Other European nations warned them. But they just turned the blind eye. This war was going to happen no matter who the leader of Russia is. There are countless documentaries and other videos as to why Russia reacted in the way that it did but the original post pretty much sums it up. That reaction is in no way different than ours would have been. None.

And this ridiculous crap isnt going to hunt either. NATO wasnt any threat to attack Russia---whether Ukraine was part of the alliance or not. If NATO was itching for a war---they'd be rolling through Crimea a year ago. The question any criticlal thinking person would have to ask is---"Why are all these old Warsaw Pact nations keep asking to be part of NATO?" Why---could it be they feel threatened by Russia's behavior? Could it be that having spent years under Russia's thumb---they understood it was only a matter of time before another strong man wanting an empire would rise to power in Russia again?

Seriously---if your going to regurgitate Putins propaganda like a good little sock puppet---at least dress it up a little before you try to sell it here. Putins had about a hundred different so called reason for his invasion from "Nazi's" to "protecting Russian speaking people" to a historical manifest destiny for Russia to rebuild its once great empire. This "NATO did it" view is just flat earther QANON level silly. NATO doesnt have a darn thing to do with starting this war. This was a Putin land grab---nothing more. One need only look at a map of where Ukraines oil rights lie (including their off shore Black Sea rights) to see why Russia wants those areas they began seizing in 2014. Just think back to 2014----Crimea didnt have a darn thing to do with Donbas in 2014---Putin just saw an opportune moment to bag some oil rights and a nice warm water port---so he grabbed it. This is just round two. The problem is, Putin miscalculated because he assumed Ukraine was the same easy push overs they were in 2014----and he assumed the West would do virtually nothing to help Ukraine---just like they did in 2014 (when Obama sent blankets, but refused to sell Ukraine any lethal aid). Its amazing how many Republicans apparently have suddenly become huge fans of Obama's foreign policy.

Love yah coog

You got played. Time to back away.

(04-15-2023 11:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-15-2023 10:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2023 08:44 PM)HCJag Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 10:24 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(04-14-2023 09:39 PM)Todor Wrote:  In short, Regime Change 101–take no responsibility for what happens when it goes wrong.

Again, the Ukraine was neither going to nor had the resources to invade Russia. Russian meddling led to a regime change. This is the straw man propaganda used by Putin to justify his ambition. Then came protecting the Russian speaking people. Then came de-nazification. Then fighting NATO, which BTW, most Russians have no idea what NATO is. One reason after another.
Putin is the sole reason for the carnage in the Ukraine. No one else. Not America. Not Germany. Not Poland. Not Great Britain. No one but the little short man complex riddled tyrant.

The straw man argument is saying that Ukraine wasn't going to invade Russia. Of course not, and that's not the reason for the war. NATO is, with their offer of a plan for membership along with Georgia. No way Russia was going to go for that and NATO knew it, or at least they should have. Germany warned them. France warned them. Other European nations warned them. But they just turned the blind eye. This war was going to happen no matter who the leader of Russia is. There are countless documentaries and other videos as to why Russia reacted in the way that it did but the original post pretty much sums it up. That reaction is in no way different than ours would have been. None.

And this ridiculous crap isnt going to hunt either. NATO wasnt any threat to attack Russia---whether Ukraine was part of the alliance or not. If NATO was itching for a war---they'd be rolling through Crimea a year ago. The question any criticlal thinking person would have to ask is---"Why are all these old Warsaw Pact nations keep asking to be part of NATO?" Why---could it be they feel threatened by Russia's behavior? Could it be that having spent years under Russia's thumb---they understood it was only a matter of time before another strong man wanting an empire would rise to power in Russia again?

Seriously---if your going to regurgitate Putins propaganda like a good little sock puppet---at least dress it up a little before you try to sell it here. Putins had about a hundred different so called reason for his invasion from "Nazi's" to "protecting Russian speaking people" to a historical manifest destiny for Russia to rebuild its once great empire. This "NATO did it" view is just flat earther QANON level silly. NATO doesnt have a darn thing to do with starting this war. This was a Putin land grab---nothing more. One need only look at a map of where Ukraines oil rights lie (including their off shore Black Sea rights) to see why Russia wants those areas they began seizing in 2014. Just think back to 2014----Crimea didnt have a darn thing to do with Donbas in 2014---Putin just saw an opportune moment to bag some oil rights and a nice warm water port---so he grabbed it. This is just round two. The problem is, Putin miscalculated because he assumed Ukraine was the same easy push overs they were in 2014----and he assumed the West would do virtually nothing to help Ukraine---just like they did in 2014 (when Obama sent blankets, but refused to sell Ukraine any lethal aid). Its amazing how many Republicans apparently have suddenly become huge fans of Obama's foreign policy.

Love yah coog

You got played. Time to back away.

Looks like it’s come full circle back to- Regime Change 101–take no responsibility for what happens when it goes wrong.

Deflect, blame somebody else. Anybody else. And then use that blame to fuel yet another conflict.