(02-16-2023 02:04 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  My biggest takeaway from this interview is the GOR was signed by everyone. So not only do you have exit fees, you also have a GOR. Nobody is leaving the Big 12 until the end of the contract. That includes Kansas which some have mentioned as the only school with any miniscule chance at the B1G or SEC

Yes that was the biggest new information. How come no media reporting on that?

I’m still waiting on the media to confirm whether or not the Fox portion of the Big 12 media deal has a pro rata clause. Everyone is understandably assuming no, but the wording I’ve seen doesn’t make that clear.

The deal was reported to be an extension rather than a completely new contract. Most of the articles at the time made note that the ESPN portion contained a negotiated pro rata clause, but I don’t remember if they explicitly stated that there was none for the Fox portion. The week after the announcement there was either an article or a podcast posted here that stated the Fox portion had a pro rata clause in the original contract. If the deal was an extension it’s possible that clause was simply included and didn’t need to be negotiated.

So eight months later I’m STILL waiting on just one, literally anyone in the media, to confirm what the truth is but I guess nobody picked up on that tidbit. Even on this forum it seems like Huan is the only person that remembers that little detail.

That detail kind of matters if schools like SDSU really are in play for both the Pac and Big 12.

The Sic'Em365 guys interviewed Texas Tech's president yesterday. He confirmed there is no pro rata clause in the Fox contract.

(02-16-2023 03:04 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:04 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  My biggest takeaway from this interview is the GOR was signed by everyone. So not only do you have exit fees, you also have a GOR. Nobody is leaving the Big 12 until the end of the contract. That includes Kansas which some have mentioned as the only school with any miniscule chance at the B1G or SEC

Yes that was the biggest new information. How come no media reporting on that?

I’m still waiting on the media to confirm whether or not the Fox portion of the Big 12 media deal has a pro rata clause. Everyone is understandably assuming no, but the wording I’ve seen doesn’t make that clear.

The deal was reported to be an extension rather than a completely new contract. Most of the articles at the time made note that the ESPN portion contained a negotiated pro rata clause, but I don’t remember if they explicitly stated that there was none for the Fox portion. The week after the announcement there was either an article or a podcast posted here that stated the Fox portion had a pro rata clause in the original contract. If the deal was an extension it’s possible that clause was simply included and didn’t need to be negotiated.

So eight months later I’m STILL waiting on just one, literally anyone in the media, to confirm what the truth is but I guess nobody picked up on that tidbit. Even on this forum it seems like Huan is the only person that remembers that little detail.

That detail kind of matters if schools like SDSU really are in play for both the Pac and Big 12.

The Sic'Em365 guys interviewed Texas Tech's president yesterday. He confirmed there is no pro rata clause in the Fox contract.

Thanks for the this!

I believe the Pac 12 has their TV numbers, but they are not enough to keep the remaining 10 happy. That is why they keep delaying signing a contract hoping something else can be done. Come April, May or June if nothing better appears, some of the schools are going to start negotiations with the Big 12 in earnest. Can they pull a rabbit out of their hat, stay tuned.

(02-16-2023 03:20 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 03:04 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:04 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  My biggest takeaway from this interview is the GOR was signed by everyone. So not only do you have exit fees, you also have a GOR. Nobody is leaving the Big 12 until the end of the contract. That includes Kansas which some have mentioned as the only school with any miniscule chance at the B1G or SEC

Yes that was the biggest new information. How come no media reporting on that?

I’m still waiting on the media to confirm whether or not the Fox portion of the Big 12 media deal has a pro rata clause. Everyone is understandably assuming no, but the wording I’ve seen doesn’t make that clear.

The deal was reported to be an extension rather than a completely new contract. Most of the articles at the time made note that the ESPN portion contained a negotiated pro rata clause, but I don’t remember if they explicitly stated that there was none for the Fox portion. The week after the announcement there was either an article or a podcast posted here that stated the Fox portion had a pro rata clause in the original contract. If the deal was an extension it’s possible that clause was simply included and didn’t need to be negotiated.

So eight months later I’m STILL waiting on just one, literally anyone in the media, to confirm what the truth is but I guess nobody picked up on that tidbit. Even on this forum it seems like Huan is the only person that remembers that little detail.

That detail kind of matters if schools like SDSU really are in play for both the Pac and Big 12.

The Sic'Em365 guys interviewed Texas Tech's president yesterday. He confirmed there is no pro rata clause in the Fox contract.

Thanks for the this!

Good to know. Thanks

(02-16-2023 12:33 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  So far Yormark has done what he said he would do. I wouldn't bet against him.

Plenty of cattle so far to match the hat...

(02-16-2023 12:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Yormark was clearly confident or he wouldn't have entered the Lion's Den for an interview.

Astute observation. I doubt seriously Yormark asked for that interview. They baited him, expecting him to say no. He didn't blink.

(02-16-2023 12:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Next up: Kliavkoff on Monty Show (I hope).

LMAO

(02-16-2023 03:34 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I believe the Pac 12 has their TV numbers, but they are not enough to keep the remaining 10 happy. That is why they keep delaying signing a contract hoping something else can be done. Come April, May or June if nothing better appears, some of the schools are going to start negotiations with the Big 12 in earnest. Can they pull a rabbit out of their hat, stay tuned.

Start negotiations? More like, call Yormark, say I do.

(02-16-2023 03:04 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:04 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  My biggest takeaway from this interview is the GOR was signed by everyone. So not only do you have exit fees, you also have a GOR. Nobody is leaving the Big 12 until the end of the contract. That includes Kansas which some have mentioned as the only school with any miniscule chance at the B1G or SEC

Yes that was the biggest new information. How come no media reporting on that?

I’m still waiting on the media to confirm whether or not the Fox portion of the Big 12 media deal has a pro rata clause. Everyone is understandably assuming no, but the wording I’ve seen doesn’t make that clear.

The deal was reported to be an extension rather than a completely new contract. Most of the articles at the time made note that the ESPN portion contained a negotiated pro rata clause, but I don’t remember if they explicitly stated that there was none for the Fox portion. The week after the announcement there was either an article or a podcast posted here that stated the Fox portion had a pro rata clause in the original contract. If the deal was an extension it’s possible that clause was simply included and didn’t need to be negotiated.

So eight months later I’m STILL waiting on just one, literally anyone in the media, to confirm what the truth is but I guess nobody picked up on that tidbit. Even on this forum it seems like Huan is the only person that remembers that little detail.

That detail kind of matters if schools like SDSU really are in play for both the Pac and Big 12.

The Sic'Em365 guys interviewed Texas Tech's president yesterday. He confirmed there is no pro rata clause in the Fox contract.

I went looking for the interview but couldn’t find it. Link?

(02-16-2023 02:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:18 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 09:14 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I think the PAC schools are going to go to the ACC and sign the GoR. Just can't see them hoping for a B1G invite in 2030'. Things may change. Maybe UW and UO win a bunch of playoff games as PAC10 champs hosting a round 1 game. Maybe winning a QF or two. But the ACC is the most logical fit. Six teams there, PN4, CU, and either Utah or Zona (don't see ND biting).

...I can see this, but I guess I'm wondering what the ACC has that the BigXII doesn't (other than (sorta) Notre Dame)...

Academics? Probably more stout top-to-bottom in the ACC than the BigXII, although that can of worms needs to stay closed ...

The money is about the same, if memory serves...

The media package / exposure is as good (no 'BiGXII network'... yet...)...

The GOR for the BigXII is stout, but not nearly as bad as the current ACC GOR...

Travel would roughly be about half the distance on average...

The PAC teams would probably have about the same success in either conference.

All that to say, maybe it's the ACC making the play to grab some PAC... thus why it's a possibility. I would love it, as UO is my #3 team, behind UAB and Aubie, so... would get opportunities to see the Quack play - (e.g., UO at GT)...

ACC contract pays out more on average than the new big 12 deal (starting in '24, '23 will be a strange year in the big 12), perhaps quite a bit more, though that depends on how much they end up getting from the ACCN. But the difference, probably in the neighborhood of $5m, isn't enough on its own to convince a school from Washington State to join a 100% east coast conference. The real pull is that the ACC has very Pac-like Academic standards. Unfortunately for the Pac schools, the ACC is going through their own drama and can't help them out until they also lose top Brands, which will dump them below the big 12 on the money pecking order...it's all a vicious circle tbh. If you're a have-not ACC or Pac school, your ideal solution would probably be to hasten the endgame and ensure you're in Conference 3, or in one of the 2 M2 Conferences at least (whether the HQ is in Irving, San Francisco, or Greensboro it matters not).

This. If the ACC schools were as smart as they think they are, they'd use their leverage while they have it. Free those who want out in exchange for a slot in the 3rd power conference. Otherwise the ACC GoR declines in value every year, and next decade you'll find yourselves in Wazzu and Oregon State's predicament. Nobody needs their signature, and they're forced to sit back and wait to see what the choices of other schools dictate as their fate.

(02-16-2023 06:19 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 03:04 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:04 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  My biggest takeaway from this interview is the GOR was signed by everyone. So not only do you have exit fees, you also have a GOR. Nobody is leaving the Big 12 until the end of the contract. That includes Kansas which some have mentioned as the only school with any miniscule chance at the B1G or SEC

Yes that was the biggest new information. How come no media reporting on that?

I’m still waiting on the media to confirm whether or not the Fox portion of the Big 12 media deal has a pro rata clause. Everyone is understandably assuming no, but the wording I’ve seen doesn’t make that clear.

The deal was reported to be an extension rather than a completely new contract. Most of the articles at the time made note that the ESPN portion contained a negotiated pro rata clause, but I don’t remember if they explicitly stated that there was none for the Fox portion. The week after the announcement there was either an article or a podcast posted here that stated the Fox portion had a pro rata clause in the original contract. If the deal was an extension it’s possible that clause was simply included and didn’t need to be negotiated.

So eight months later I’m STILL waiting on just one, literally anyone in the media, to confirm what the truth is but I guess nobody picked up on that tidbit. Even on this forum it seems like Huan is the only person that remembers that little detail.

That detail kind of matters if schools like SDSU really are in play for both the Pac and Big 12.

The Sic'Em365 guys interviewed Texas Tech's president yesterday. He confirmed there is no pro rata clause in the Fox contract.

I went looking for the interview but couldn’t find it. Link?

https://youtu.be/WFa2-q_7Ezs

(02-16-2023 06:19 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 03:04 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:04 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:25 PM)otown Wrote:  My biggest takeaway from this interview is the GOR was signed by everyone. So not only do you have exit fees, you also have a GOR. Nobody is leaving the Big 12 until the end of the contract. That includes Kansas which some have mentioned as the only school with any miniscule chance at the B1G or SEC

Yes that was the biggest new information. How come no media reporting on that?

I’m still waiting on the media to confirm whether or not the Fox portion of the Big 12 media deal has a pro rata clause. Everyone is understandably assuming no, but the wording I’ve seen doesn’t make that clear.

The deal was reported to be an extension rather than a completely new contract. Most of the articles at the time made note that the ESPN portion contained a negotiated pro rata clause, but I don’t remember if they explicitly stated that there was none for the Fox portion. The week after the announcement there was either an article or a podcast posted here that stated the Fox portion had a pro rata clause in the original contract. If the deal was an extension it’s possible that clause was simply included and didn’t need to be negotiated.

So eight months later I’m STILL waiting on just one, literally anyone in the media, to confirm what the truth is but I guess nobody picked up on that tidbit. Even on this forum it seems like Huan is the only person that remembers that little detail.

That detail kind of matters if schools like SDSU really are in play for both the Pac and Big 12.

The Sic'Em365 guys interviewed Texas Tech's president yesterday. He confirmed there is no pro rata clause in the Fox contract.

I went looking for the interview but couldn’t find it. Link?

Here you go. That part starts at 7:28, but it's also a solid interview overall.

(02-16-2023 06:44 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  If the ACC schools were as smart as they think they are, they'd use their leverage while they have it. Free those who want out in exchange for a slot in the 3rd power conference. Otherwise the ACC GoR declines in value every year, and next decade you'll find yourselves in Wazzu and Oregon State's predicament. Nobody needs their signature, and they're forced to sit back and wait to see what the choices of other schools dictate as their fate.

Where's the plus-10 button?

(02-16-2023 06:57 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 06:19 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 03:04 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:04 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Yes that was the biggest new information. How come no media reporting on that?

I’m still waiting on the media to confirm whether or not the Fox portion of the Big 12 media deal has a pro rata clause. Everyone is understandably assuming no, but the wording I’ve seen doesn’t make that clear.

The deal was reported to be an extension rather than a completely new contract. Most of the articles at the time made note that the ESPN portion contained a negotiated pro rata clause, but I don’t remember if they explicitly stated that there was none for the Fox portion. The week after the announcement there was either an article or a podcast posted here that stated the Fox portion had a pro rata clause in the original contract. If the deal was an extension it’s possible that clause was simply included and didn’t need to be negotiated.

So eight months later I’m STILL waiting on just one, literally anyone in the media, to confirm what the truth is but I guess nobody picked up on that tidbit. Even on this forum it seems like Huan is the only person that remembers that little detail.

That detail kind of matters if schools like SDSU really are in play for both the Pac and Big 12.

The Sic'Em365 guys interviewed Texas Tech's president yesterday. He confirmed there is no pro rata clause in the Fox contract.

I went looking for the interview but couldn’t find it. Link?

Here you go. That part starts at 7:28, but it's also a solid interview overall.

thank you. but all i heard was that the big 12 needs to talk to espn and fox for prorata additions.

(02-16-2023 02:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:18 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 09:14 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I think the PAC schools are going to go to the ACC and sign the GoR. Just can't see them hoping for a B1G invite in 2030'. Things may change. Maybe UW and UO win a bunch of playoff games as PAC10 champs hosting a round 1 game. Maybe winning a QF or two. But the ACC is the most logical fit. Six teams there, PN4, CU, and either Utah or Zona (don't see ND biting).

...I can see this, but I guess I'm wondering what the ACC has that the BigXII doesn't (other than (sorta) Notre Dame)...

Academics? Probably more stout top-to-bottom in the ACC than the BigXII, although that can of worms needs to stay closed ...

The money is about the same, if memory serves...

The media package / exposure is as good (no 'BiGXII network'... yet...)...

The GOR for the BigXII is stout, but not nearly as bad as the current ACC GOR...

Travel would roughly be about half the distance on average...

The PAC teams would probably have about the same success in either conference.

All that to say, maybe it's the ACC making the play to grab some PAC... thus why it's a possibility. I would love it, as UO is my #3 team, behind UAB and Aubie, so... would get opportunities to see the Quack play - (e.g., UO at GT)...

ACC contract pays out more on average than the new big 12 deal (starting in '24, '23 will be a strange year in the big 12), perhaps quite a bit more, though that depends on how much they end up getting from the ACCN. But the difference, probably in the neighborhood of $5m, isn't enough on its own to convince a school from Washington State to join a 100% east coast conference. The real pull is that the ACC has very Pac-like Academic standards. Unfortunately for the Pac schools, the ACC is going through their own drama and can't help them out until they also lose top Brands, which will dump them below the big 12 on the money pecking order...it's all a vicious circle tbh. If you're a have-not ACC or Pac school, your ideal solution would probably be to hasten the endgame and ensure you're in Conference 3, or in one of the 2 M2 Conferences at least (whether the HQ is in Irving, San Francisco, or Greensboro it matters not).

The reporting says the Big 12 average was a little under the ACC average. We still haven't seen that show up in distributions. The only times the ACC distribution exceeded the Big 12 in the last 10 years were 2014-5 when it was bumped up by the Maryland exit fee and 2020-1, the fluky Covid year. Haven't seen all the numbers for the ACC for 2021-2, but UNC was $5 million below the Big 12 average.

Interesting news on ACC distributions can be found here:

https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...f4ac4.html

From the above link:

“We’re in the process of finalizing the financials from [2021-22],” second-year commissioner Jim Phillips said, “and as expected, our schools will receive a sizable increase following the ACC Network reaching full distribution last December. We are proud to have exceeded our initial projections, resulting in additional revenue to our schools.”

This is notable for several reasons:

The ACC in 2020-21 reported a league-record $578.3 million in revenue
which translated to an average per-school distribution of $36.1 million. A “sizable” bump from record numbers is encouraging, even as the Big Ten and SEC continue to dominate the financial, though not competitive, landscape.

Even more heartening for the ACC: Revenue in 2021-22 increased despite significant headwinds.

First, the approximately $15 million in NBC television rights that Notre Dame football brought into the conference during the 2020-21 COVID season vanished as the Fighting Irish returned to football independence.

Second, 2021-22 was a season in which the Orange Bowl, the ACC’s contracted New Year’s Six postseason game, hosted a College Football Playoff semifinal. In those years, the ACC does not receive its Orange Bowl payout of approximately $25 million.

In previous seasons that the Orange Bowl hosted a playoff semifinal, 2015-16 and 2018-19, ACC revenue decreased 7.4% and 2%, respectively.

Finally, 2021-22 marked the first season that no ACC team qualified for the CFP, denying the league a $6 million CFP payout.

To summarize: Despite losing approximately $46 million, or 8%, of its 2020-21 revenue, the ACC still expects to report a significant revenue increase on its 2021-22 tax forms, which won’t be filed until late spring.

That’s how valuable full ACC Network distribution, attained with December’s carriage deal with Xfinity Comcast, is to the conference, its schools and media partner ESPN.

____________________

If the league distributed $36M last year, and there's the expectation of a sizable increase this year, what will that final number be? $38M? $40M? More than $40M?

Who knows ... but full distribution for the ACCN has clearly improved things significantly for the ACC.

(02-16-2023 09:36 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 06:57 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 06:19 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 03:04 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:04 PM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  I’m still waiting on the media to confirm whether or not the Fox portion of the Big 12 media deal has a pro rata clause. Everyone is understandably assuming no, but the wording I’ve seen doesn’t make that clear.

The deal was reported to be an extension rather than a completely new contract. Most of the articles at the time made note that the ESPN portion contained a negotiated pro rata clause, but I don’t remember if they explicitly stated that there was none for the Fox portion. The week after the announcement there was either an article or a podcast posted here that stated the Fox portion had a pro rata clause in the original contract. If the deal was an extension it’s possible that clause was simply included and didn’t need to be negotiated.

So eight months later I’m STILL waiting on just one, literally anyone in the media, to confirm what the truth is but I guess nobody picked up on that tidbit. Even on this forum it seems like Huan is the only person that remembers that little detail.

That detail kind of matters if schools like SDSU really are in play for both the Pac and Big 12.

The Sic'Em365 guys interviewed Texas Tech's president yesterday. He confirmed there is no pro rata clause in the Fox contract.

I went looking for the interview but couldn’t find it. Link?

Here you go. That part starts at 7:28, but it's also a solid interview overall.

thank you. but all i heard was that the big 12 needs to talk to espn and fox for prorata additions.

I guess we hear it differently then. When asked about the pro rata he said it involves their relationship with ESPN and wouldn't be a complete match and then says Yormark would have to go back to Fox to work on that. I took that as him saying the pro rata is there for ESPN's portion so to try and make it a complete match (the full $31.7M) for a team Yormark has to go back and talk to Fox. If the pro rata was there with Fox Yormark wouldn't need to go back to them and work on it.

(02-16-2023 09:51 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:18 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 09:14 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I think the PAC schools are going to go to the ACC and sign the GoR. Just can't see them hoping for a B1G invite in 2030'. Things may change. Maybe UW and UO win a bunch of playoff games as PAC10 champs hosting a round 1 game. Maybe winning a QF or two. But the ACC is the most logical fit. Six teams there, PN4, CU, and either Utah or Zona (don't see ND biting).

...I can see this, but I guess I'm wondering what the ACC has that the BigXII doesn't (other than (sorta) Notre Dame)...

Academics? Probably more stout top-to-bottom in the ACC than the BigXII, although that can of worms needs to stay closed ...

The money is about the same, if memory serves...

The media package / exposure is as good (no 'BiGXII network'... yet...)...

The GOR for the BigXII is stout, but not nearly as bad as the current ACC GOR...

Travel would roughly be about half the distance on average...

The PAC teams would probably have about the same success in either conference.

All that to say, maybe it's the ACC making the play to grab some PAC... thus why it's a possibility. I would love it, as UO is my #3 team, behind UAB and Aubie, so... would get opportunities to see the Quack play - (e.g., UO at GT)...

ACC contract pays out more on average than the new big 12 deal (starting in '24, '23 will be a strange year in the big 12), perhaps quite a bit more, though that depends on how much they end up getting from the ACCN. But the difference, probably in the neighborhood of $5m, isn't enough on its own to convince a school from Washington State to join a 100% east coast conference. The real pull is that the ACC has very Pac-like Academic standards. Unfortunately for the Pac schools, the ACC is going through their own drama and can't help them out until they also lose top Brands, which will dump them below the big 12 on the money pecking order...it's all a vicious circle tbh. If you're a have-not ACC or Pac school, your ideal solution would probably be to hasten the endgame and ensure you're in Conference 3, or in one of the 2 M2 Conferences at least (whether the HQ is in Irving, San Francisco, or Greensboro it matters not).

The reporting says the Big 12 average was a little under the ACC average. We still haven't seen that show up in distributions. The only times the ACC distribution exceeded the Big 12 in the last 10 years were 2014-5 when it was bumped up by the Maryland exit fee and 2020-1, the fluky Covid year. Haven't seen all the numbers for the ACC for 2021-2, but UNC was $5 million below the Big 12 average.

Interesting news on ACC distributions can be found here:

https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...f4ac4.html

From the above link:

“We’re in the process of finalizing the financials from [2021-22],” second-year commissioner Jim Phillips said, “and as expected, our schools will receive a sizable increase following the ACC Network reaching full distribution last December. We are proud to have exceeded our initial projections, resulting in additional revenue to our schools.”

This is notable for several reasons:

The ACC in 2020-21 reported a league-record $578.3 million in revenue
which translated to an average per-school distribution of $36.1 million. A “sizable” bump from record numbers is encouraging, even as the Big Ten and SEC continue to dominate the financial, though not competitive, landscape.

Even more heartening for the ACC: Revenue in 2021-22 increased despite significant headwinds.

First, the approximately $15 million in NBC television rights that Notre Dame football brought into the conference during the 2020-21 COVID season vanished as the Fighting Irish returned to football independence.

Second, 2021-22 was a season in which the Orange Bowl, the ACC’s contracted New Year’s Six postseason game, hosted a College Football Playoff semifinal. In those years, the ACC does not receive its Orange Bowl payout of approximately $25 million.

In previous seasons that the Orange Bowl hosted a playoff semifinal, 2015-16 and 2018-19, ACC revenue decreased 7.4% and 2%, respectively.

Finally, 2021-22 marked the first season that no ACC team qualified for the CFP, denying the league a $6 million CFP payout.

To summarize: Despite losing approximately $46 million, or 8%, of its 2020-21 revenue, the ACC still expects to report a significant revenue increase on its 2021-22 tax forms, which won’t be filed until late spring.

That’s how valuable full ACC Network distribution, attained with December’s carriage deal with Xfinity Comcast, is to the conference, its schools and media partner ESPN.

____________________

If the league distributed $36M last year, and there's the expectation of a sizable increase this year, what will that final number be? $38M? $40M? More than $40M?

Who knows ... but full distribution for the ACCN has clearly improved things significantly for the ACC.

North Carolina got $37.7 million. That is not necessarily the average.

(02-16-2023 12:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 10:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 10:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  From what I can see from the 2022 PAC TV schedule, about 1 in 6 or so games kicked off at 7:30 PM PT or later,

That's the whole "fourth window." It works for one P5 game a week, two if you have one on Saturday and one on Thursday/Friday.

At this point, that's pretty much what the PAC has to sell. If they sign with ESPN, they figure to be almost all late-nights and ESPN+

ABC/ESPN/2/U can show a maximum of 12 games in the windows where most of the country is still awake. They'll have about 4.5 SEC games, 2 ACC games, let's say 1.5 Big 12 game. Plus 2 American Athletic Conference games, so 10/12 spots are spoken for. And that's if Disney wants to run 3 games on ABC, if ESPN doesn't have a UFC event or anything else that ESPN has the rights to that's worth showing on ESPN/2 or maybe ESPN-U. And if ESPN doesn't bump a Sun Belt or FCS game up to ESPN/2/U, or maybe a MAC game if it's not MACtion season, or a big college basketball matchup just for variety.

SEC: 8 games minus 3 for SEC Network, a few games on ESPN+ for 4.5
ACC: 7 games minus 3 for ACC Network, one for the RSNs (for a few more years), another game either on ESPN+ or a weeknight, for 2.
Big 12: ESPN gets 46 games, about 3.5 a week. One on Friday or Thursday night, one on ESPN+

IMO that is simply not much of a window for anyone, whether it is the SEC or the nB12 or the B1G.

To me, that 7:30 PM PT "window", really a half-window, just doesn't look like it is worth much.

And, an SEC game that kicks off at 8 or 8:30 PM CT is kicking off at 6 or 6:30 PM PT, and will run to 9:30 or 10 PM PT. That overlaps massively with that last "window". And the nB12 can already cover it even easier via BYU, who I believe plays in the Mountain time zone. So I am just not sure why some conferences are talking about that window.

But again ... I'm not in that field.

Then why did the B1G expand west?

You have to understand, the SEC and B1G saturate the market from 9AM-5PM Eastern on Saturdays. That is whom the B12 is competing with and is likely why Yomark wants to add some school in the Pacific time zone where there is much less competition.

(02-16-2023 10:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 09:51 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 02:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 01:18 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...I can see this, but I guess I'm wondering what the ACC has that the BigXII doesn't (other than (sorta) Notre Dame)...

Academics? Probably more stout top-to-bottom in the ACC than the BigXII, although that can of worms needs to stay closed ...

The money is about the same, if memory serves...

The media package / exposure is as good (no 'BiGXII network'... yet...)...

The GOR for the BigXII is stout, but not nearly as bad as the current ACC GOR...

Travel would roughly be about half the distance on average...

The PAC teams would probably have about the same success in either conference.

All that to say, maybe it's the ACC making the play to grab some PAC... thus why it's a possibility. I would love it, as UO is my #3 team, behind UAB and Aubie, so... would get opportunities to see the Quack play - (e.g., UO at GT)...

ACC contract pays out more on average than the new big 12 deal (starting in '24, '23 will be a strange year in the big 12), perhaps quite a bit more, though that depends on how much they end up getting from the ACCN. But the difference, probably in the neighborhood of $5m, isn't enough on its own to convince a school from Washington State to join a 100% east coast conference. The real pull is that the ACC has very Pac-like Academic standards. Unfortunately for the Pac schools, the ACC is going through their own drama and can't help them out until they also lose top Brands, which will dump them below the big 12 on the money pecking order...it's all a vicious circle tbh. If you're a have-not ACC or Pac school, your ideal solution would probably be to hasten the endgame and ensure you're in Conference 3, or in one of the 2 M2 Conferences at least (whether the HQ is in Irving, San Francisco, or Greensboro it matters not).

The reporting says the Big 12 average was a little under the ACC average. We still haven't seen that show up in distributions. The only times the ACC distribution exceeded the Big 12 in the last 10 years were 2014-5 when it was bumped up by the Maryland exit fee and 2020-1, the fluky Covid year. Haven't seen all the numbers for the ACC for 2021-2, but UNC was $5 million below the Big 12 average.

Interesting news on ACC distributions can be found here:

https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...f4ac4.html

From the above link:

“We’re in the process of finalizing the financials from [2021-22],” second-year commissioner Jim Phillips said, “and as expected, our schools will receive a sizable increase following the ACC Network reaching full distribution last December. We are proud to have exceeded our initial projections, resulting in additional revenue to our schools.”

This is notable for several reasons:

The ACC in 2020-21 reported a league-record $578.3 million in revenue
which translated to an average per-school distribution of $36.1 million. A “sizable” bump from record numbers is encouraging, even as the Big Ten and SEC continue to dominate the financial, though not competitive, landscape.

Even more heartening for the ACC: Revenue in 2021-22 increased despite significant headwinds.

First, the approximately $15 million in NBC television rights that Notre Dame football brought into the conference during the 2020-21 COVID season vanished as the Fighting Irish returned to football independence.

Second, 2021-22 was a season in which the Orange Bowl, the ACC’s contracted New Year’s Six postseason game, hosted a College Football Playoff semifinal. In those years, the ACC does not receive its Orange Bowl payout of approximately $25 million.

In previous seasons that the Orange Bowl hosted a playoff semifinal, 2015-16 and 2018-19, ACC revenue decreased 7.4% and 2%, respectively.

Finally, 2021-22 marked the first season that no ACC team qualified for the CFP, denying the league a $6 million CFP payout.

To summarize: Despite losing approximately $46 million, or 8%, of its 2020-21 revenue, the ACC still expects to report a significant revenue increase on its 2021-22 tax forms, which won’t be filed until late spring.

That’s how valuable full ACC Network distribution, attained with December’s carriage deal with Xfinity Comcast, is to the conference, its schools and media partner ESPN.

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If the league distributed $36M last year, and there's the expectation of a sizable increase this year, what will that final number be? $38M? $40M? More than $40M?

Who knows ... but full distribution for the ACCN has clearly improved things significantly for the ACC.

North Carolina got $37.7 million. That is not necessarily the average.

Every school is supposed to get equal revenue from the ACC Network. If UNC made $37.7 million in distributions, the rest of the league is supposed to have made the same. I understand the suspicion that UNC might really be giving itself disproportionate revenue behind closed doors, but that’s technically not supposed to be happening.

(02-16-2023 10:19 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 12:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 10:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 10:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  From what I can see from the 2022 PAC TV schedule, about 1 in 6 or so games kicked off at 7:30 PM PT or later,

That's the whole "fourth window." It works for one P5 game a week, two if you have one on Saturday and one on Thursday/Friday.

At this point, that's pretty much what the PAC has to sell. If they sign with ESPN, they figure to be almost all late-nights and ESPN+

ABC/ESPN/2/U can show a maximum of 12 games in the windows where most of the country is still awake. They'll have about 4.5 SEC games, 2 ACC games, let's say 1.5 Big 12 game. Plus 2 American Athletic Conference games, so 10/12 spots are spoken for. And that's if Disney wants to run 3 games on ABC, if ESPN doesn't have a UFC event or anything else that ESPN has the rights to that's worth showing on ESPN/2 or maybe ESPN-U. And if ESPN doesn't bump a Sun Belt or FCS game up to ESPN/2/U, or maybe a MAC game if it's not MACtion season, or a big college basketball matchup just for variety.

SEC: 8 games minus 3 for SEC Network, a few games on ESPN+ for 4.5
ACC: 7 games minus 3 for ACC Network, one for the RSNs (for a few more years), another game either on ESPN+ or a weeknight, for 2.
Big 12: ESPN gets 46 games, about 3.5 a week. One on Friday or Thursday night, one on ESPN+

IMO that is simply not much of a window for anyone, whether it is the SEC or the nB12 or the B1G.

To me, that 7:30 PM PT "window", really a half-window, just doesn't look like it is worth much.

And, an SEC game that kicks off at 8 or 8:30 PM CT is kicking off at 6 or 6:30 PM PT, and will run to 9:30 or 10 PM PT. That overlaps massively with that last "window". And the nB12 can already cover it even easier via BYU, who I believe plays in the Mountain time zone. So I am just not sure why some conferences are talking about that window.

But again ... I'm not in that field.

Then why did the B1G expand west?

LA. You can have Los Angeles without kicking off at 7:30 Pacific, 10:30 Eastern. It's college football, you're playing on Saturday. You can kick off at 4:30 local and it's in prime time on the East Coast.

Quote:You have to understand, the SEC and B1G saturate the market from 9AM-5PM Eastern on Saturdays.

? Maybe you mean 9AM-5PM Pacific? "Big Noon" is at 9 a.m. PAcific, primetime starts at 5 p.m. Pacific.

(02-16-2023 09:27 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 06:44 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  If the ACC schools were as smart as they think they are, they'd use their leverage while they have it. Free those who want out in exchange for a slot in the 3rd power conference. Otherwise the ACC GoR declines in value every year, and next decade you'll find yourselves in Wazzu and Oregon State's predicament. Nobody needs their signature, and they're forced to sit back and wait to see what the choices of other schools dictate as their fate.

Where's the plus-10 button?

There isn’t one, and that wouldn’t warrant a push if there were. It’s the same old boring stuff on this site, which is like the National Enquirer of realignment, but much more repetitive.

The Big XII literally capped themselves on future expansion because there are no realistic options that add any value. People don’t seem to grasp this. The conference is at the point of diminishing returns so long as their media partners have business ties elsewhere.

3rd power conference is a fantasy. Major programs are going to ditch football conferences altogether in the future. Why does Ohio State make the same as Rutgers and Northwestern? Alabama the same as Vandy or Miss State? Eventually we will see college presidents in the mold of Kevin Warren and their goal will be to make the most money possible and independence in football in the streaming era is where it’s at. The streaming era is coming, packaged conferences are the way of last decade. What’s the point? Bowl tie-ins? Lol Nah, they’ll be around for Olympic sports.


Stop thinking in the past, people. Every program will fend for itself in a the streaming era of playoff football. Eight home games for the monster programs will be the norm.

Now carry on and play fantasy Risk while I dabble in futures.