365Sports: The Big 12 Does Not Have Enough Juice Right Now to Steal Teams from the Pac 12


Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UIGvukYU6A

Monty & Jake are talking PAC 12 statement!

Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtyZhoDp4ms

And the point I've made elsewhere is, even if the B12 had a deal for PAC teams that is better than what they'd get with their new media deal (very possible, I'm not doubting this point) - these schools would now have to travel from the West Coast to West Virginia, Ohio and Florida. Totally fine for football, but olympic sports will suffer. And of course, a severing of decades-worth of local rivalries. The deal has to be really good to be able to do that (USC/UCLA to B1G, for example).

(02-13-2023 06:11 PM)Comet Wrote:  And the point I've made elsewhere is, even if the B12 had a deal for PAC teams that is better than what they'd get with their new media deal (very possible, I'm not doubting this point) - these schools would now have to travel from the West Coast to West Virginia, Ohio and Florida. Totally fine for football, but olympic sports will suffer. And of course, a severing of decades-worth of local rivalries. The deal has to be really good to be able to do that (USC/UCLA to B1G, for example).

If you're a 4C school, you may actually travel less. It doesn't feel like it but NorCal, Washington, and Oregon are far as **** away from Arizona, Colorado, and Utah. Cincinnati and West Virginia do not seem so bad by comparison...and pretty much every school wants to play in Florida for recruiting purposes.

Stanford is really the only program that values its Olympic sports with the same lens as CFB and MBB.

TL;DR the West is f*cking BIG

The title of this thread is so misleading. It was one guys opinion on that show, and he was in the minority.

A lot of this boils down to what the networks want.

Fox clearly sees no benefit in keeping the PAC 10 together because they didn’t bother to bid.
ESPN wants late night content but wants it on the cheap.
Amazon wants in the college football game but the content has to feature desirable brands that drive subscribership.

The unconventional plan that I think makes the most parties happy would be:

1. The Big 10 signs Oregon and Washington at reduced shares and inks a Friday night exclusive with Amazon.

2. 6-8 of the remaining PAC 10 schools join the Big 12 and ESPN/FOX pay pro rata to the new members. This gives the two networks content for the “after dark” time slot for ESPN, ESPN2, and FS1.

3. To open up some room in the Big 12, ESPN moves UCF, Cincinnati, and WVU over to the ACC and ups their tv contract a couple million per school for their troubles.

(02-13-2023 07:09 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A lot of this boils down to what the networks want.

Fox clearly sees no benefit in keeping the PAC 10 together because they didn’t bother to bid.
ESPN wants late night content but wants it on the cheap.
Amazon wants in the college football game but the content has to feature desirable brands that drive subscribership.

The unconventional plan that I think makes the most parties happy would be:

1. The Big 10 signs Oregon and Washington at reduced shares and inks a Friday night exclusive with Amazon.

2. 6-8 of the remaining PAC 10 schools join the Big 12 and ESPN/FOX pay pro rata to the new members. This gives the two networks content for the “after dark” time slot for ESPN, ESPN2, and FS1.

3. To open up some room in the Big 12, ESPN moves UCF, Cincinnati, and WVU over to the ACC and ups their tv contract a couple million per school for their troubles.

1. You gotta get Fox and the Big 10 to play
2. Sounds good
3. Would sound good for the 3 if it was certain the ACC will at least keep their current membership into the 2030's. A rump ACC is inferior to the new Big 12 at its current composition and certainly a "new" new Big 12 with the rest of the PAC added.

(02-13-2023 07:09 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A lot of this boils down to what the networks want.

Fox clearly sees no benefit in keeping the PAC 10 together because they didn’t bother to bid.
ESPN wants late night content but wants it on the cheap.
Amazon wants in the college football game but the content has to feature desirable brands that drive subscribership.

The unconventional plan that I think makes the most parties happy would be:

1. The Big 10 signs Oregon and Washington at reduced shares and inks a Friday night exclusive with Amazon.

2. 6-8 of the remaining PAC 10 schools join the Big 12 and ESPN/FOX pay pro rata to the new members. This gives the two networks content for the “after dark” time slot for ESPN, ESPN2, and FS1.

3. To open up some room in the Big 12, ESPN moves UCF, Cincinnati, and WVU over to the ACC and ups their tv contract a couple million per school for their troubles.

#1 isn't going to happen. I think at best it will be Stanford and Washington. But even that's iffy.

I think at this point, 1 of 3 things needs to happen before B10 expansion beyond 16:

a.) That the PAC is poached already, removing potential "blame"/liability possibility from the B10.

b.) That there is a risk the SEC might take Kansas or Colorado

c.) That the ACC schools become potentially available...

For #2, that's possible, but the 6 PAC schools are not going to move without a california presence.

And it's starting to appear that "travel partners"/rivals is how things get done now.

So SDSU and Fresno State invites happen to facilitate the deal. Probably at an initial reduced payout.

#3 makes a lot of sense for everyone. Better if they can facilitate a move of FSU and Clemson, to the SEC, while they are at it.

(02-13-2023 06:04 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  365Sports: The Big 12 Does Not Have Enough Juice Right Now to Steal Teams from the Pac 12


Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UIGvukYU6A

This is like publicly coming out in support of your Coach. If you have to do it, then there's a problem somewhere.

I don’t see a scenario the XII takes PAC schools unless and until Oregon and Washington are gone.

(02-13-2023 06:26 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-13-2023 06:11 PM)Comet Wrote:  And the point I've made elsewhere is, even if the B12 had a deal for PAC teams that is better than what they'd get with their new media deal (very possible, I'm not doubting this point) - these schools would now have to travel from the West Coast to West Virginia, Ohio and Florida. Totally fine for football, but olympic sports will suffer. And of course, a severing of decades-worth of local rivalries. The deal has to be really good to be able to do that (USC/UCLA to B1G, for example).

If you're a 4C school, you may actually travel less. It doesn't feel like it but NorCal, Washington, and Oregon are far as **** away from Arizona, Colorado, and Utah. Cincinnati and West Virginia do not seem so bad by comparison...and pretty much every school wants to play in Florida for recruiting purposes.

Stanford is really the only program that values its Olympic sports with the same lens as CFB and MBB.

TL;DR the West is f*cking BIG

I traveled from Arizona to Washington State in less than two days driving. It is a good bus trip. It takes you several days by bus to Ohio, Florida and West Virginia. Like I said coast to coast conferences will not work today with the cost of travel, food and a place to stay is more expensive today.