Reported in the Detroit News that CMU Coach McElwain is now the highest paid MAC coach in Michigan and second highest paid coach in the MAC behind Jason Candle making just over $1M in base pay for 2023. He’ll get a $25,000 bump each year through 2026. He’ll be about $100,000 under Candle’s base pay.

Looks like MAC salaries are going up.

He made more in 2021 than Candle with incentives hit. I think used to have more base as well...

(02-07-2023 10:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  He made more in 2021 than Candle with incentives hit. I think used to have more base as well...

He does receive a $150,000 “retention bonus” each February that IS part of the base salary.

(02-07-2023 11:50 AM)WHRocket Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 10:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  He made more in 2021 than Candle with incentives hit. I think used to have more base as well...

He does receive a $150,000 “retention bonus” each February that IS part of the base salary.

It doesn't really matter. I think all of the MAC schools should be investing and no one should pay their coach less than 500k. Eventually it would be nice to pay a coach with the likes of Liberty. We can't expect to be a team or league near the top with 4x less money given to the HC and staffs.

(02-07-2023 12:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 11:50 AM)WHRocket Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 10:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  He made more in 2021 than Candle with incentives hit. I think used to have more base as well...

He does receive a $150,000 “retention bonus” each February that IS part of the base salary.

It doesn't really matter. I think all of the MAC schools should be investing and no one should pay their coach less than 500k. Eventually it would be nice to pay a coach with the likes of Liberty. We can't expect to be a team or league near the top with 4x less money given to the HC and staffs.

Agreed but most MAC schools also experiencing budget and revenue challenges (largely tied to enrollment declines) so their associated Athletics budget presents serious financial constraints. Under those circumstances-without outside support from corporations, alumni and donors - it's hard for many MAC football programs to raise coaching staffs to level to be competitive with other P5

(02-07-2023 12:57 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 11:50 AM)WHRocket Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 10:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  He made more in 2021 than Candle with incentives hit. I think used to have more base as well...

He does receive a $150,000 “retention bonus” each February that IS part of the base salary.

It doesn't really matter. I think all of the MAC schools should be investing and no one should pay their coach less than 500k. Eventually it would be nice to pay a coach with the likes of Liberty. We can't expect to be a team or league near the top with 4x less money given to the HC and staffs.

Agreed but most MAC schools also experiencing budget and revenue challenges (largely tied to enrollment declines) so their associated Athletics budget presents serious financial constraints. Under those circumstances-without outside support from corporations, alumni and donors - it's hard for many MAC football programs to raise coaching staffs to level to be competitive with other P5

Correct. So we really need to get lucky early on in the 12 team playoff with a vastly underpaid coach vs. the field...aka Candle... And we need to reap the benefits. Got to somehow grab a huge paying bowl when we don't belong, to Jumpstart revenue streams to eventually get a couple multimillion paid coaches who can compete.

(02-07-2023 01:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:57 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 11:50 AM)WHRocket Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 10:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  He made more in 2021 than Candle with incentives hit. I think used to have more base as well...

He does receive a $150,000 “retention bonus” each February that IS part of the base salary.

It doesn't really matter. I think all of the MAC schools should be investing and no one should pay their coach less than 500k. Eventually it would be nice to pay a coach with the likes of Liberty. We can't expect to be a team or league near the top with 4x less money given to the HC and staffs.

Agreed but most MAC schools also experiencing budget and revenue challenges (largely tied to enrollment declines) so their associated Athletics budget presents serious financial constraints. Under those circumstances-without outside support from corporations, alumni and donors - it's hard for many MAC football programs to raise coaching staffs to level to be competitive with other P5

Correct. So we really need to get lucky early on in the 12 team playoff with a vastly underpaid coach vs. the field...aka Candle... And we need to reap the benefits. Got to somehow grab a huge paying bowl when we don't belong, to Jumpstart revenue streams to eventually get a couple multimillion paid coaches who can compete.

how likely is it that a MAC team would end up in 12 team playoff? If system was in place last decade, would any MAC team make that playoff?

(02-07-2023 01:46 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 01:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:57 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 11:50 AM)WHRocket Wrote:  He does receive a $150,000 “retention bonus” each February that IS part of the base salary.

It doesn't really matter. I think all of the MAC schools should be investing and no one should pay their coach less than 500k. Eventually it would be nice to pay a coach with the likes of Liberty. We can't expect to be a team or league near the top with 4x less money given to the HC and staffs.

Agreed but most MAC schools also experiencing budget and revenue challenges (largely tied to enrollment declines) so their associated Athletics budget presents serious financial constraints. Under those circumstances-without outside support from corporations, alumni and donors - it's hard for many MAC football programs to raise coaching staffs to level to be competitive with other P5

Correct. So we really need to get lucky early on in the 12 team playoff with a vastly underpaid coach vs. the field...aka Candle... And we need to reap the benefits. Got to somehow grab a huge paying bowl when we don't belong, to Jumpstart revenue streams to eventually get a couple multimillion paid coaches who can compete.

how likely is it that a MAC team would end up in 12 team playoff? If system was in place last decade, would any MAC team make that playoff?

2016 WMU

(02-07-2023 02:24 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 01:46 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 01:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:57 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  It doesn't really matter. I think all of the MAC schools should be investing and no one should pay their coach less than 500k. Eventually it would be nice to pay a coach with the likes of Liberty. We can't expect to be a team or league near the top with 4x less money given to the HC and staffs.

Agreed but most MAC schools also experiencing budget and revenue challenges (largely tied to enrollment declines) so their associated Athletics budget presents serious financial constraints. Under those circumstances-without outside support from corporations, alumni and donors - it's hard for many MAC football programs to raise coaching staffs to level to be competitive with other P5

Correct. So we really need to get lucky early on in the 12 team playoff with a vastly underpaid coach vs. the field...aka Candle... And we need to reap the benefits. Got to somehow grab a huge paying bowl when we don't belong, to Jumpstart revenue streams to eventually get a couple multimillion paid coaches who can compete.

how likely is it that a MAC team would end up in 12 team playoff? If system was in place last decade, would any MAC team make that playoff?

2016 WMU

Yep, and with the AAC losing their top 3 programs, it's likely the perception of that conference drops to where they aren't just earmarked into the G5 spot. It would likely take an undefeated season with a P5 win for a MAC team to make it, but that has happened.

Nice to reward a HC after a 4-8 season.

(02-07-2023 01:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:57 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 11:50 AM)WHRocket Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 10:55 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  He made more in 2021 than Candle with incentives hit. I think used to have more base as well...

He does receive a $150,000 “retention bonus” each February that IS part of the base salary.

It doesn't really matter. I think all of the MAC schools should be investing and no one should pay their coach less than 500k. Eventually it would be nice to pay a coach with the likes of Liberty. We can't expect to be a team or league near the top with 4x less money given to the HC and staffs.

Agreed but most MAC schools also experiencing budget and revenue challenges (largely tied to enrollment declines) so their associated Athletics budget presents serious financial constraints. Under those circumstances-without outside support from corporations, alumni and donors - it's hard for many MAC football programs to raise coaching staffs to level to be competitive with other P5

Correct. So we really need to get lucky early on in the 12 team playoff with a vastly underpaid coach vs. the field...aka Candle... And we need to reap the benefits. Got to somehow grab a huge paying bowl when we don't belong, to Jumpstart revenue streams to eventually get a couple multimillion paid coaches who can compete.

All MAC bowl payouts are split evenly. In most cases there is no money, just loses.

(02-07-2023 02:37 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 01:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:57 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 11:50 AM)WHRocket Wrote:  He does receive a $150,000 “retention bonus” each February that IS part of the base salary.

It doesn't really matter. I think all of the MAC schools should be investing and no one should pay their coach less than 500k. Eventually it would be nice to pay a coach with the likes of Liberty. We can't expect to be a team or league near the top with 4x less money given to the HC and staffs.

Agreed but most MAC schools also experiencing budget and revenue challenges (largely tied to enrollment declines) so their associated Athletics budget presents serious financial constraints. Under those circumstances-without outside support from corporations, alumni and donors - it's hard for many MAC football programs to raise coaching staffs to level to be competitive with other P5

Correct. So we really need to get lucky early on in the 12 team playoff with a vastly underpaid coach vs. the field...aka Candle... And we need to reap the benefits. Got to somehow grab a huge paying bowl when we don't belong, to Jumpstart revenue streams to eventually get a couple multimillion paid coaches who can compete.

All MAC bowl payouts are split evenly. In most cases there is no money, just loses.

LOLOL.... great business model!!!

Kind of like....."Geez I always wanted to own a sports bar. I set the prices and at the end of the year I totaled up the receipts and realized I lost money"

G5 is not such a great business model

Go Rockets!!!!!!!!

(02-07-2023 03:32 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 02:37 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 01:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:57 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  It doesn't really matter. I think all of the MAC schools should be investing and no one should pay their coach less than 500k. Eventually it would be nice to pay a coach with the likes of Liberty. We can't expect to be a team or league near the top with 4x less money given to the HC and staffs.

Agreed but most MAC schools also experiencing budget and revenue challenges (largely tied to enrollment declines) so their associated Athletics budget presents serious financial constraints. Under those circumstances-without outside support from corporations, alumni and donors - it's hard for many MAC football programs to raise coaching staffs to level to be competitive with other P5

Correct. So we really need to get lucky early on in the 12 team playoff with a vastly underpaid coach vs. the field...aka Candle... And we need to reap the benefits. Got to somehow grab a huge paying bowl when we don't belong, to Jumpstart revenue streams to eventually get a couple multimillion paid coaches who can compete.

All MAC bowl payouts are split evenly. In most cases there is no money, just loses.

LOLOL.... great business model!!!

Kind of like....."Geez I always wanted to own a sports bar. I set the prices and at the end of the year I totaled up the receipts and realized I lost money"

G5 is not such a great business model

Go Rockets!!!!!!!!

If it’s not happening already, I’m sure it will be coming soon that the university will need commitments from donors/corporations to pay salaries for their major sports teams.

I believe that happened recently at Michigan State for their football coach.

It will fail or it won't. I really don't think anyone in power cares, they're not here to save the system. That's not how power works. It's get your while you can.

It's probably like the stock market. Too many very rich people making too much money to allow it to fail. It will always exist in a form that makes money. Whether it stays a University function or not? If it can make the money without those allegiances, it will.

(02-07-2023 04:20 PM)WHRocket Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 03:32 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 02:37 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 01:38 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 12:57 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  Agreed but most MAC schools also experiencing budget and revenue challenges (largely tied to enrollment declines) so their associated Athletics budget presents serious financial constraints. Under those circumstances-without outside support from corporations, alumni and donors - it's hard for many MAC football programs to raise coaching staffs to level to be competitive with other P5

Correct. So we really need to get lucky early on in the 12 team playoff with a vastly underpaid coach vs. the field...aka Candle... And we need to reap the benefits. Got to somehow grab a huge paying bowl when we don't belong, to Jumpstart revenue streams to eventually get a couple multimillion paid coaches who can compete.

All MAC bowl payouts are split evenly. In most cases there is no money, just loses.

LOLOL.... great business model!!!

Kind of like....."Geez I always wanted to own a sports bar. I set the prices and at the end of the year I totaled up the receipts and realized I lost money"

G5 is not such a great business model

Go Rockets!!!!!!!!

If it’s not happening already, I’m sure it will be coming soon that the university will need commitments from donors/corporations to pay salaries for their major sports teams.

I believe that happened recently at Michigan State for their football coach.

Did you see what they're paying that guy? They might have had the money if not for all the lawsuits they had to settle because of the gymnast pedophile they had working at the University.

(02-07-2023 02:32 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Nice to reward a HC after a 4-8 season.

McElwain contract was extended after the 2021 Washington State Bowl win. The University just failed to let anyone know. And many not really Happy after the 2022 season.

Money would have to be available for MAC coaches to compete with other non-power 5 leagues, The AAC, Sunbelt, CUSA, others.