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4 Texass schools bringing up the rear.

(02-05-2023 11:43 PM)Todor Wrote:  NET

Sam Houston 60
Utah Valley. 80
Southern Ut. 110
GCU 116
SFA. 125
Seattle U. 130
Cal Baptist. 171
Utah Tech. 181
NM State. 183
Tarleton. 185
Abilene. 190
UTRGV. 248
UT Arlington. 270

Are you telling me that NMSU started out 0-37 in conference and are still ahead of the junior Aggies? HA!

(02-06-2023 10:07 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(02-05-2023 11:43 PM)Todor Wrote:  NET

Sam Houston 60
Utah Valley. 80
Southern Ut. 110
GCU 116
SFA. 125
Seattle U. 130
Cal Baptist. 171
Utah Tech. 181
NM State. 183
Tarleton. 185
Abilene. 190
UTRGV. 248
UT Arlington. 270

Are you telling me that NMSU started out 0-37 in conference and are still ahead of the junior Aggies? HA!

Congrats on the two conference wins. Glad to know being above us in NET is something for you to celebrate.

Lots of differences in rankings this year. Kenpom has almost a reverse order. ACU beats two teams on the road and the NET rankings still has them above us. Kenpom does not. But if you look at the numbers, 171 to 190 is not a big range, but beating 130 should have helped us more.

(02-06-2023 11:18 AM)RCI Wrote:  Lots of differences in rankings this year. Kenpom has almost a reverse order. ACU beats two teams on the road and the NET rankings still has them above us. Kenpom does not. But if you look at the numbers, 171 to 190 is not a big range, but beating 130 should have helped us more.

Yeah, and that's a problem if a main purpose of the WAC resume system was to mimic the NET and favor teams likely to get a better NCAA seed.

Wonder why they didn't just make the WAC tournament seed depend directly on the NET instead of coming up with their own point system.

(02-06-2023 05:19 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(02-06-2023 11:18 AM)RCI Wrote:  Lots of differences in rankings this year. Kenpom has almost a reverse order. ACU beats two teams on the road and the NET rankings still has them above us. Kenpom does not. But if you look at the numbers, 171 to 190 is not a big range, but beating 130 should have helped us more.

Yeah, and that's a problem if a main purpose of the WAC resume system was to mimic the NET and favor teams likely to get a better NCAA seed.

Wonder why they didn't just make the WAC tournament seed depend directly on the NET instead of coming up with their own point system.

Ask the comish.

(02-07-2023 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(02-06-2023 05:19 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(02-06-2023 11:18 AM)RCI Wrote:  Lots of differences in rankings this year. Kenpom has almost a reverse order. ACU beats two teams on the road and the NET rankings still has them above us. Kenpom does not. But if you look at the numbers, 171 to 190 is not a big range, but beating 130 should have helped us more.

Yeah, and that's a problem if a main purpose of the WAC resume system was to mimic the NET and favor teams likely to get a better NCAA seed.

Wonder why they didn't just make the WAC tournament seed depend directly on the NET instead of coming up with their own point system.

Ask the comish.

What Commish?

(02-07-2023 05:31 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(02-07-2023 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(02-06-2023 05:19 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(02-06-2023 11:18 AM)RCI Wrote:  Lots of differences in rankings this year. Kenpom has almost a reverse order. ACU beats two teams on the road and the NET rankings still has them above us. Kenpom does not. But if you look at the numbers, 171 to 190 is not a big range, but beating 130 should have helped us more.

Yeah, and that's a problem if a main purpose of the WAC resume system was to mimic the NET and favor teams likely to get a better NCAA seed.

Wonder why they didn't just make the WAC tournament seed depend directly on the NET instead of coming up with their own point system.

Ask the comish.

What Commish?

You are hereby awarded an Observational Gold Star.

I’ll be curious to see if the WAC sticks with this model for seeding. It seems like most coaches aren’t a fan.

(02-05-2023 11:56 PM)Todor Wrote:  WAC Resume Seeding

Resume Seeding System

Utah Valley 4.77
Sam Houston 3.98
Southern Utah 2.57
Seattle. 2.44
GCU. 2.16
SFA. 1.08
Tarleton. -.48
ACU. -1.58
CBU. -1.84
Utah Tech. -1.94
UTRGV. -2.17
NM State. -2.81
UT Arlington. -4.60

With this system being new, I posted the numbers so people could see how big the spacing between teams is, rather than just the order. If you’d like, you can check out how much each win or loss counts in this system.

https://wacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2022-2...umeSeeding

Couldn't be happier to see Aggies out of the last spot for tournament seeding. Thanks for sharing, Todor.

(02-08-2023 11:39 AM)gleadley Wrote:  

(02-05-2023 11:56 PM)Todor Wrote:  WAC Resume Seeding

Resume Seeding System

Utah Valley 4.77
Sam Houston 3.98
Southern Utah 2.57
Seattle. 2.44
GCU. 2.16
SFA. 1.08
Tarleton. -.48
ACU. -1.58
CBU. -1.84
Utah Tech. -1.94
UTRGV. -2.17
NM State. -2.81
UT Arlington. -4.60

With this system being new, I posted the numbers so people could see how big the spacing between teams is, rather than just the order. If you’d like, you can check out how much each win or loss counts in this system.

https://wacsports.com/sports/mbkb/2022-2...umeSeeding

Couldn't be happier to see Aggies out of the last spot for tournament seeding. Thanks for sharing, Todor.

Just making sure I understand the new rules - if the season ended today, NMSU would be out of the tournament, since eligibility is still top 12 teams in the regular standings, and UTA would be the 12th seed.

If NMSU (2-9) gets past one of the three teams at 3-8 (UTA, UTRGV, UTech) then they are in the tournament. If the team they push out is UTA, NMSU is at the 12th seed if the resumes don't change order. If the team they push out is UTRGV or UTech, then NMSU is at 11th seed and UTA is at 12th.

Is that right?

Based on the resume seeding above, it looks like NMSU is sitting in the 12th spot and WOULD be in the tournament if the season ended today. Of course, my understanding of how this is all working now could be way off, so probably best to have someone else confirm.

The way I thought it works is the entrance to the conference tournament is based on conference record. So if we (NMSU) finish last based on conference record we don’t get in. And then after it is determined who gets in the seeding is then based on this WAC formula. But maybe I’m wrong.

(02-08-2023 05:14 PM)gleadley Wrote:  Based on the resume seeding above, it looks like NMSU is sitting in the 12th spot and WOULD be in the tournament if the season ended today. Of course, my understanding of how this is all working now could be way off, so probably best to have someone else confirm.

I'm looking at this article:
https://www.wachoopsdigest.com/clarifica...ng-system/

Quote:As everyone knows, only 12 teams are making it to Michelob Ultra Arena/Orleans Arena for a chance to go to the NCAA Tournament.

Let me give you an example.

As it stands right now, New Mexico State would not be going to WAC Vegas. The Aggies are currently in 13th in the WAC standings at 0-6. So, being ahead of UT Arlington in the WAC Resume Seeding System wouldn’t matter.

Where you finish in WAC play determines whether or not you are going to Las Vegas. When that determination is made, then seedings will be listed.

UT Arlington could finish 12th in the WAC standings. And, let’s say the Mavericks finish 13th in the WAC Resume Seeding System standings. That means the Mavericks are the 12-seed.

Also the LC Sun had this:
"The teams with the 12 best records in conference play will qualify for the conference tournament, with seeding then being based off the résumé seeding system. The top four teams will receive first-round byes. The top two teams will no longer automatically advance to the semifinal round."

Fact, the tournament field is based on the regular-season standings. This basically means don't finish last.

The seeding is determined by the ranking system. This basically means win in non-conference, perform well in conference, win at home and steal some good road games.

Thanks for clarifying/correcting me, fellas. Appreciate y'all!

There's a lot of teams not happy with the seeding. UTA is now 10th. Barring a miracle, they will stay that way, but likely stay last in the toutney. In the end, you gotta win until the end, but SFA is highly displeased as well.

(02-10-2023 02:02 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  There's a lot of teams not happy with the seeding. UTA is now 10th. Barring a miracle, they will stay that way, but likely stay last in the toutney. In the end, you gotta win until the end, but SFA is highly displeased as well.

We unfortunately have played our way to the bottom of the WAC seedings. I have no gripe with this. Baseball now pleeeease!!!