(01-30-2023 12:54 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:50 PM)micman Wrote:  I think that the rotation guys, starting especially with Kennedy and McCadden, must be given a great deal of credit for how we are playing currently. They are all playing very unselfishly deferring offensively to Davis and Deandre. All of them, the Lawsons, Kao, Hardaway is playing very well, and even Franklin is playing hard and unselfishly even though his shooting isn't where he wants it.

I hope we can integrate Alo and Dandridge back into the rotation in time to work chemistry back in before things heat up with Houston and the conference tourney. This is now a really fun team to watch.

As time passes, I worry that neither Lomax or Dandridge will be in top condition if they are cleared to play. I hope that's not the case, but it may be something we have to be prepared for.

IMHO that would be perfect 5-15 minutes each from Dandridge and, I guess, Lomax, would be perfect. That would help with fouls, rebounding, and also allow the current 6-7 top rotation players a couple of breaks without losing much.

(01-30-2023 01:03 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:54 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:50 PM)micman Wrote:  I think that the rotation guys, starting especially with Kennedy and McCadden, must be given a great deal of credit for how we are playing currently. They are all playing very unselfishly deferring offensively to Davis and Deandre. All of them, the Lawsons, Kao, Hardaway is playing very well, and even Franklin is playing hard and unselfishly even though his shooting isn't where he wants it.

I hope we can integrate Alo and Dandridge back into the rotation in time to work chemistry back in before things heat up with Houston and the conference tourney. This is now a really fun team to watch.

As time passes, I worry that neither Lomax or Dandridge will be in top condition if they are cleared to play. I hope that's not the case, but it may be something we have to be prepared for.

IMHO that would be perfect 5-15 minutes each from Dandridge and, I guess, Lomax, would be perfect. That would help with fouls, rebounding, and also allow the current 6-7 top rotation players a couple of breaks without losing much.

I'm not talking about only minutes. It's possible that it could impact their effectiveness, not just their stamina.

(01-30-2023 01:03 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:54 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:50 PM)micman Wrote:  I think that the rotation guys, starting especially with Kennedy and McCadden, must be given a great deal of credit for how we are playing currently. They are all playing very unselfishly deferring offensively to Davis and Deandre. All of them, the Lawsons, Kao, Hardaway is playing very well, and even Franklin is playing hard and unselfishly even though his shooting isn't where he wants it.

I hope we can integrate Alo and Dandridge back into the rotation in time to work chemistry back in before things heat up with Houston and the conference tourney. This is now a really fun team to watch.

As time passes, I worry that neither Lomax or Dandridge will be in top condition if they are cleared to play. I hope that's not the case, but it may be something we have to be prepared for.

IMHO that would be perfect 5-15 minutes each from Dandridge and, I guess, Lomax, would be perfect. That would help with fouls, rebounding, and also allow the current 6-7 top rotation players a couple of breaks without losing much.

Well said. I hope both Malco and Lomax return and are able to make solid contributions off the bench. Lomax was enjoying a very good season and his experience could be helpful. And MD provides the lineup a sorely needed big body.

(01-30-2023 01:25 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:03 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:54 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:50 PM)micman Wrote:  I think that the rotation guys, starting especially with Kennedy and McCadden, must be given a great deal of credit for how we are playing currently. They are all playing very unselfishly deferring offensively to Davis and Deandre. All of them, the Lawsons, Kao, Hardaway is playing very well, and even Franklin is playing hard and unselfishly even though his shooting isn't where he wants it.

I hope we can integrate Alo and Dandridge back into the rotation in time to work chemistry back in before things heat up with Houston and the conference tourney. This is now a really fun team to watch.

As time passes, I worry that neither Lomax or Dandridge will be in top condition if they are cleared to play. I hope that's not the case, but it may be something we have to be prepared for.

IMHO that would be perfect 5-15 minutes each from Dandridge and, I guess, Lomax, would be perfect. That would help with fouls, rebounding, and also allow the current 6-7 top rotation players a couple of breaks without losing much.

I'm not talking about only minutes. It's possible that it could impact their effectiveness, not just their stamina.

I'm not worried about that at all. Even if they only get 5-15 minutes, all Dandridge has to do is stand there instead of Williams for 5 minutes. All Lomax has to do is break the press and handle the ball at the top of the offense instead of Davis for 5 minutes.

They aren't a finished product, but Kennedy and McCadden are really becoming more than the sum of their parts. Not elite either offensively or defensively, but really doing most things really well.

My hope at the beginning of the season was for them to cut into Lomax's minutes. If we can get KD down to 30 minutes and have Lomax, Kennedy and McCadden split 70 minutes, that would be amazing. That would leave 20 minutes for Jayden, Franklin and Jonathan; with the hot hand getting half of them.

(01-30-2023 04:29 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:25 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:03 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:54 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:50 PM)micman Wrote:  I think that the rotation guys, starting especially with Kennedy and McCadden, must be given a great deal of credit for how we are playing currently. They are all playing very unselfishly deferring offensively to Davis and Deandre. All of them, the Lawsons, Kao, Hardaway is playing very well, and even Franklin is playing hard and unselfishly even though his shooting isn't where he wants it.

I hope we can integrate Alo and Dandridge back into the rotation in time to work chemistry back in before things heat up with Houston and the conference tourney. This is now a really fun team to watch.

As time passes, I worry that neither Lomax or Dandridge will be in top condition if they are cleared to play. I hope that's not the case, but it may be something we have to be prepared for.

IMHO that would be perfect 5-15 minutes each from Dandridge and, I guess, Lomax, would be perfect. That would help with fouls, rebounding, and also allow the current 6-7 top rotation players a couple of breaks without losing much.

I'm not talking about only minutes. It's possible that it could impact their effectiveness, not just their stamina.

I'm not worried about that at all. Even if they only get 5-15 minutes, all Dandridge has to do is stand there instead of Williams for 5 minutes. All Lomax has to do is break the press and handle the ball at the top of the offense instead of Davis for 5 minutes.

They aren't a finished product, but Kennedy and McCadden are really becoming more than the sum of their parts. Not elite either offensively or defensively, but really doing most things really well.

My hope at the beginning of the season was for them to cut into Lomax's minutes. If we can get KD down to 30 minutes and have Lomax, Kennedy and McCadden split 70 minutes, that would be amazing. That would leave 20 minutes for Jayden, Franklin and Jonathan; with the hot hand getting half of them.

Accurately framed. Agree.

(01-30-2023 04:29 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I'm not worried about that at all. Even if they only get 5-15 minutes, all Dandridge has to do is stand there instead of Williams for 5 minutes. All Lomax has to do is break the press and handle the ball at the top of the offense instead of Davis for 5 minutes.

They aren't a finished product, but Kennedy and McCadden are really becoming more than the sum of their parts. Not elite either offensively or defensively, but really doing most things really well.

My hope at the beginning of the season was for them to cut into Lomax's minutes. If we can get KD down to 30 minutes and have Lomax, Kennedy and McCadden split 70 minutes, that would be amazing. That would leave 20 minutes for Jayden, Franklin and Jonathan; with the hot hand getting half of them.

I'm not sure you fully understood my meaning. My concern is that even if they return for limited minutes, they may not be able to perform anywhere near where they were prior to the injuries (as in dramatically less.) If all Dandridge has to do is stand there, likely won't be such an impact, and time will tell how well that will work out. In the case of Lomax, breaking the press and handling the ball effectively puts a lot of stress on the groin area. If the only expectation is that he'll do better than Franklin, a reduced capacity Lomax might be okay as that's a very low bar.

I agree that both Kennedy and McCadden are rising to the challenge, albeit with opposite strengths. I'm expecting Kennedy to further refine his scoring, and McCadden is beginning to pull rebounds second only to Williams. Hopefully he will develop more consistency scoring at the rim. If we can develop a better substitution option over Franklin, I can see this team's ceiling expanding further than I expected earlier in the season. Perhaps Kao will improve as well, we critically need help among the bigs.

(01-30-2023 04:48 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 04:29 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I'm not worried about that at all. Even if they only get 5-15 minutes, all Dandridge has to do is stand there instead of Williams for 5 minutes. All Lomax has to do is break the press and handle the ball at the top of the offense instead of Davis for 5 minutes.

They aren't a finished product, but Kennedy and McCadden are really becoming more than the sum of their parts. Not elite either offensively or defensively, but really doing most things really well.

My hope at the beginning of the season was for them to cut into Lomax's minutes. If we can get KD down to 30 minutes and have Lomax, Kennedy and McCadden split 70 minutes, that would be amazing. That would leave 20 minutes for Jayden, Franklin and Jonathan; with the hot hand getting half of them.

I'm not sure you fully understood my meaning. My concern is that even if they return for limited minutes, they may not be able to perform anywhere near where they were prior to the injuries (as in dramatically less.) If all Dandridge has to do is stand there, likely won't be such an impact, and time will tell how well that will work out. In the case of Lomax, breaking the press and handling the ball effectively puts a lot of stress on the groin area. If the only expectation is that he'll do better than Franklin, a reduced capacity Lomax might be okay as that's a very low bar.

I agree that both Kennedy and McCadden are rising to the challenge, albeit with opposite strengths. I'm expecting Kennedy to further refine his scoring, and McCadden is beginning to pull rebounds second only to Williams. Hopefully he will develop more consistency scoring at the rim. If we can develop a better substitution option over Franklin, I can see this team's ceiling expanding further than I expected earlier in the season. Perhaps Kao will improve as well, we critically need help among the bigs.

I understand your meaning perfectly, and explained it perfectly. All we need from both to make a major impact is for them to play 5 minutes each and not kill us, while KD is resting and DW isn't committing another foul.

We will get more from each of them with each game they play, but that's all we need from them when they come back.

(01-30-2023 05:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I understand your meaning perfectly, and explained it perfectly. All we need from both to make a major impact is for them to play 5 minutes each and not kill us, while KD is resting and DW isn't committing another foul.

We will get more from each of them with each game they play, but that's all we need from them when they come back.

If all they're providing is five minutes of sub-par output, we'll have to agree to disagree, especially with Lomax considering how a groin injury is catastrophic to mobility and easy to exacerbate. I'm uncertain at what point Penny will say they're good to go, but he seems to be proceeding very conservatively with their recovery. My hope is they come back near 100% and will be in a position to contribute quality minutes versus just being a warm body.

(01-30-2023 05:13 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 05:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I understand your meaning perfectly, and explained it perfectly. All we need from both to make a major impact is for them to play 5 minutes each and not kill us, while KD is resting and DW isn't committing another foul.

We will get more from each of them with each game they play, but that's all we need from them when they come back.

If all they're providing is five minutes of sub-par output, we'll have to agree to disagree, especially with Lomax considering how a groin injury is catastrophic to mobility and easy to exacerbate. I'm uncertain at what point Penny will say they're good to go, but he seems to be proceeding very conservatively with their recovery. My hope is they come back near 100% and will be in a position to contribute quality minutes versus just being a warm body.

I thought you said Lomax would be starting when he comes back.

(01-30-2023 05:26 PM)micman Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 05:13 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 05:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I understand your meaning perfectly, and explained it perfectly. All we need from both to make a major impact is for them to play 5 minutes each and not kill us, while KD is resting and DW isn't committing another foul.

We will get more from each of them with each game they play, but that's all we need from them when they come back.

If all they're providing is five minutes of sub-par output, we'll have to agree to disagree, especially with Lomax considering how a groin injury is catastrophic to mobility and easy to exacerbate. I'm uncertain at what point Penny will say they're good to go, but he seems to be proceeding very conservatively with their recovery. My hope is they come back near 100% and will be in a position to contribute quality minutes versus just being a warm body.

I thought you said Lomax would be starting when he comes back.

If he's not 100%, I don't expect Lomax to start.

(01-30-2023 12:54 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:50 PM)micman Wrote:  I think that the rotation guys, starting especially with Kennedy and McCadden, must be given a great deal of credit for how we are playing currently. They are all playing very unselfishly deferring offensively to Davis and Deandre. All of them, the Lawsons, Kao, Hardaway is playing very well, and even Franklin is playing hard and unselfishly even though his shooting isn't where he wants it.

I hope we can integrate Alo and Dandridge back into the rotation in time to work chemistry back in before things heat up with Houston and the conference tourney. This is now a really fun team to watch.

Kennedy especially as he has truly become a reliable third option but forces very little for himself. McCadden plays extremely unselfish and seems willing to do anything asked of him. And you can see the development occurring in J Lawson game by game.

All and all this is becoming one of Penny's best coaching jobs and perhaps his best overall.

McCadden was all over the glass and Kennedy is solid. I think Dandridge is better than Lawson or Kao but he may need to come off the bench awhile. Alo definitely needs to do the same.

(01-30-2023 06:35 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:54 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:50 PM)micman Wrote:  I think that the rotation guys, starting especially with Kennedy and McCadden, must be given a great deal of credit for how we are playing currently. They are all playing very unselfishly deferring offensively to Davis and Deandre. All of them, the Lawsons, Kao, Hardaway is playing very well, and even Franklin is playing hard and unselfishly even though his shooting isn't where he wants it.

I hope we can integrate Alo and Dandridge back into the rotation in time to work chemistry back in before things heat up with Houston and the conference tourney. This is now a really fun team to watch.

Kennedy especially as he has truly become a reliable third option but forces very little for himself. McCadden plays extremely unselfish and seems willing to do anything asked of him. And you can see the development occurring in J Lawson game by game.

All and all this is becoming one of Penny's best coaching jobs and perhaps his best overall.

McCadden was all over the glass and Kennedy is solid. I think Dandridge is better than Lawson or Kao but he may need to come off the bench awhile. Alo definitely needs to do the same.

I think with repetition, Kennedy and especially McCadden will miss fewer easier shots, and they seem to play well together. We have been tough defensively, the last 7 games, including most of UCF. We gave up 78 points in regulation, which isn't a disaster.

(01-30-2023 06:46 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 06:35 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:54 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:50 PM)micman Wrote:  I think that the rotation guys, starting especially with Kennedy and McCadden, must be given a great deal of credit for how we are playing currently. They are all playing very unselfishly deferring offensively to Davis and Deandre. All of them, the Lawsons, Kao, Hardaway is playing very well, and even Franklin is playing hard and unselfishly even though his shooting isn't where he wants it.

I hope we can integrate Alo and Dandridge back into the rotation in time to work chemistry back in before things heat up with Houston and the conference tourney. This is now a really fun team to watch.

Kennedy especially as he has truly become a reliable third option but forces very little for himself. McCadden plays extremely unselfish and seems willing to do anything asked of him. And you can see the development occurring in J Lawson game by game.

All and all this is becoming one of Penny's best coaching jobs and perhaps his best overall.

McCadden was all over the glass and Kennedy is solid. I think Dandridge is better than Lawson or Kao but he may need to come off the bench awhile. Alo definitely needs to do the same.

I think with repetition, Kennedy and especially McCadden will miss fewer easier shots, and they seem to play well together. We have been tough defensively, the last 7 games, including most of UCF. We gave up 78 points in regulation, which isn't a disaster.

Deandre was totally exhausted at the end of regulation. Penny has changed his rotations since that game to help.