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With the Sunbelt adding Beach Volleyball, I assume ODU will start a women’s program up and join? Anyone have any information?

(01-19-2023 07:20 PM)Justice2318 Wrote:  With the Sunbelt adding Beach Volleyball, I assume ODU will start a women’s program up and join? Anyone have any information?

We had Wood on the podcast last summer and asked him about adding another sport to become title 9 compliant. He said beach volleyball among some other “emerging sports” will be considered for the next sport and that we were a couple years out.

Not sure what other options are out there, but it would make a lot of sense if schools push to have pickleball added as an NCAA sport given its’ low costs to add.

(01-20-2023 08:10 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 07:20 PM)Justice2318 Wrote:  With the Sunbelt adding Beach Volleyball, I assume ODU will start a women’s program up and join? Anyone have any information?

We had Wood on the podcast last summer and asked him about adding another sport to become title 9 compliant. He said beach volleyball among some other “emerging sports” will be considered for the next sport and that we were a couple years out.

Not sure what other options are out there, but it would make a lot of sense if schools push to have pickleball added as an NCAA sport given its’ low costs to add.

If and when we do add Beach Volleyball I hope they don’t use the grass area where the purple lot is located.

(01-20-2023 12:00 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 08:10 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 07:20 PM)Justice2318 Wrote:  With the Sunbelt adding Beach Volleyball, I assume ODU will start a women’s program up and join? Anyone have any information?

We had Wood on the podcast last summer and asked him about adding another sport to become title 9 compliant. He said beach volleyball among some other “emerging sports” will be considered for the next sport and that we were a couple years out.

Not sure what other options are out there, but it would make a lot of sense if schools push to have pickleball added as an NCAA sport given its’ low costs to add.

If and when we do add Beach Volleyball I hope they don’t use the grass area where the purple lot is located.

I think upgrading the beach volleyball courts at Whitehurst Beach make the most sense.

(01-19-2023 07:20 PM)Justice2318 Wrote:  With the Sunbelt adding Beach Volleyball, I assume ODU will start a women’s program up and join? Anyone have any information?

I wholeheartedly approve.

(01-20-2023 12:35 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 12:00 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(01-20-2023 08:10 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 07:20 PM)Justice2318 Wrote:  With the Sunbelt adding Beach Volleyball, I assume ODU will start a women’s program up and join? Anyone have any information?

We had Wood on the podcast last summer and asked him about adding another sport to become title 9 compliant. He said beach volleyball among some other “emerging sports” will be considered for the next sport and that we were a couple years out.

Not sure what other options are out there, but it would make a lot of sense if schools push to have pickleball added as an NCAA sport given its’ low costs to add.

If and when we do add Beach Volleyball I hope they don’t use the grass area where the purple lot is located.

I think upgrading the beach volleyball courts at Whitehurst Beach make the most sense.

That's what I was thinking. Literally already made. No reason to break ground anywhere else.

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Expect Wood Selig to do the absolute bare minimum when it comes to Title IX compliance.

(01-24-2023 12:22 AM)ODUwildman Wrote:  Expect Wood Selig to do the absolute bare minimum when it comes to Title IX compliance.

I can see from your POV that bringing a woman's beach volleyball team would be frustrating, but what if it allowed us to have wrestling again?

(01-24-2023 12:22 AM)ODUwildman Wrote:  Expect Wood Selig to do the absolute bare minimum when it comes to Title IX compliance.

I would venture alot of schools do the bare minimum with Title IX compliance. You're either in compliance with the threshold or you're not. For those who aren't, the enforcement is so lax that schools have to be grossly non-compliant for anything public to be done (e.g. NCAA Women's Basketball tournament weight-room photos put on social media).

I am eagerly awaiting Petey's comments on this thread lmao

(01-24-2023 12:22 AM)ODUwildman Wrote:  Expect Wood Selig to do the absolute bare minimum when it comes to Title IX compliance.

Considering the fact that we apparently barely support our two major sports, I would consider it malpractice to do otherwise. This isn't to defend Wood, but we need to take a long hard look at where money is being spent if we can't adequately support Men's Basketball and Football.

(01-24-2023 01:27 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I can see from your POV that bringing a woman's beach volleyball team would be frustrating, but what if it allowed us to have wrestling again?

He still owes us another women's sport to begin with. He won't add anything on the men's side. He's not that progressive.

I should have just changed my post to say "Expect Wood Selig to do the absolute bare minimum when it comes to (insert topic here)."

With the number of male students attending college as a whole declining and campuses becoming 60%, or more in some cases, female is the math for Title IX compliance changing?

(01-25-2023 10:17 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  With the number of male students attending college as a whole declining and campuses becoming 60%, or more in some cases, female is the math for Title IX compliance changing?

Prong 1 (Proportionality) is not the only way a school can comply. With the addition of VB, that gives the school a bit of a break from being under the microscope from any inquiries as it can cite Prong 2 (adding opportunities for the underrepresented gender). Prong 1 was the easy way out when the OCR (Office of Civil Rights) started fielding more complaints in the 1990s. When Norma Cantu listed Prong 1 as a "safe harbor," then you started to see a lot of math being done to manipulate rosters and bodies, such as the extensive report USA Today released last year about how schools are still fudging the numbers to appear as if they are proportional. She's long been gone, but that action 25+ years ago is the policy most current ADs came to understand when they were getting into the business. It's what they were taught and in turn, it's how they teach the next generation.

When Liberty dropped wrestling, it cited they were going to comply with Prong 1, even though they clearly had a viable defense with Prong 2. Their issue? They added too many women's sports too fast. Had they spaced them out with a new one every five years, they could have continued to meet Prong 2 for another decade-plus. They came up on a situation (they created) where they were going to be open to a suit if they didn't drop a sport to get in line with Prong 1 despite adding numerous women's sports. Poor leadership. Lack of forward thinking.

This law has been on the books for 50 years and really been applied staunchly to college athletics since 1979, and again in 1996 (I use those dates because of the precedent rulings or clarifications listed were set). It's part of the job and one you can't just put a band-aid on or half-ass to try to actually do it right before getting into more issues down the road.

Any AD who creates a Title IX issue on their watch in this day and age - is FAILING at a key part of their job - and the easy way out for poor leadership has been to axe students who had nothing to do with those failures. "Oh, it's Title IX's fault," they say. - No, it's not. It's your fault. We're 30 years beyond the "Oh, I didn't know" excuse.

Beach Volleyball is an add that makes sense for ODU, the problem is, if/when it gets added, it won't be done for the reasons it should be. This hasn't been a progressive athletic department for a long time.