If Notre Dame wants to participate in the conference championship game, they need to join the conference, however expanding the playoffs will give the Irish a better opportunity to make the playoffs without having to play in a conference championship.
I think the championship games may have to go away if the playoffs ever expand to 16 teams.

(01-19-2023 05:05 PM)XLance Wrote:  I think the championship games may have to go away if the playoffs ever expand to 16 teams.

I’m not opposed to this. The goal is no longer to get 1 team in the playoff, but minimum of 2. Knocking another team out of contention in the ACCCG is not good business.

(01-19-2023 05:05 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Notre Dame wants to participate in the conference championship game, they need to join the conference, however expanding the playoffs will give the Irish a better opportunity to make the playoffs without having to play in a conference championship.
I think the championship games may have to go away if the playoffs ever expand to 16 teams.

Do people actually believe that ND wants to participate in the conference championship game?

If so, can they cite the factual basis for this opinion?

He wrote "If...."

(01-19-2023 05:17 PM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  He wrote "If...."

I read.

I am talking about this thread and others like it.

(01-19-2023 04:06 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  TerryD may say otherwise but here is the list and frequency of schools that I think ND wants to play more than twice a decade or so:

Every Year - USC/Navy
At least every other year - Stanford
On Average one every third year - Miami and FSU, Pitt, Purdue
Once every four years - WF/GT/Michigan State/Michigan/Texas/Georgia/Bama
Once every five years - UNC/BC

I see no reason to think that ND has any special desire to play WF, Georgia, or Bama. Those are all games of convenience.

I would bump BC up to the every 3 years line.

Some ND never want to play Michigan again - but it sure is a big draw!

(01-19-2023 05:14 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 05:05 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Notre Dame wants to participate in the conference championship game, they need to join the conference, however expanding the playoffs will give the Irish a better opportunity to make the playoffs without having to play in a conference championship.
I think the championship games may have to go away if the playoffs ever expand to 16 teams.

Do people actually believe that ND wants to participate in the conference championship game?

If so, can they cite the factual basis for this opinion?

No, that's the point of the statement.
As the playoffs expand, Notre Dame will have more and more opportunity to participate without having to, a)join a conference and, b)play in a conference championship game.

the biggest mistake the acc made was giving ND a football home during the covid year and or not getting something in future considerations for letting ND play as conference member that year when non conference was very difficult

(01-22-2023 12:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  the biggest mistake the acc made was giving ND a football home during the covid year and or not getting something in future considerations for letting ND play as conference member that year when non conference was very difficult

ND would have just cobbled together some indy schedule instead.

It would have been crappy but it would have been an alternative.

Its an Urban Myth that ND would have agreed to any future ACC considerations for a one year Safe Harbor.

It would have been dumb for ND to do that.

Why encumber yourself for many years for a one year quick fix?

(01-22-2023 12:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  the biggest mistake the acc made was giving ND a football home during the covid year and or not getting something in future considerations for letting ND play as conference member that year when non conference was very difficult

I know that many, many fans feel this way, but I don't think that was ever an option at all. What the ACC got in exchange for giving ND a "safe harbor" in 2020 was a nice paycheck from TV (and the CFP) that year and 10M viewers for the ACC CG. You can't always marry the supermodel, but if you get a date with her, be happy with that.

(01-22-2023 02:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 12:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  the biggest mistake the acc made was giving ND a football home during the covid year and or not getting something in future considerations for letting ND play as conference member that year when non conference was very difficult

ND would have just cobbled together some indy schedule instead.

It would have been crappy but it would have been an alternative.

Its an Urban Myth that ND would have agreed to any future ACC considerations for a one year Safe Harbor.

It would have been dumb for ND to do that.

Why encumber yourself for many years for a one year quick fix?

bunch of teams scrapped non conference that year because of policies on the pandemic would of been really though

(01-22-2023 02:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 12:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  the biggest mistake the acc made was giving ND a football home during the covid year and or not getting something in future considerations for letting ND play as conference member that year when non conference was very difficult

I know that many, many fans feel this way, but I don't think that was ever an option at all. What the ACC got in exchange for giving ND a "safe harbor" in 2020 was a nice paycheck from TV (and the CFP) that year and 10M viewers for the ACC CG. You can't always marry the supermodel, but if you get a date with her, be happy with that.

ND isnt the only supermodel though

(01-22-2023 05:10 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 02:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 12:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  the biggest mistake the acc made was giving ND a football home during the covid year and or not getting something in future considerations for letting ND play as conference member that year when non conference was very difficult

ND would have just cobbled together some indy schedule instead.

It would have been crappy but it would have been an alternative.

Its an Urban Myth that ND would have agreed to any future ACC considerations for a one year Safe Harbor.

It would have been dumb for ND to do that.

Why encumber yourself for many years for a one year quick fix?

bunch of teams scrapped non conference that year because of policies on the pandemic would of been really though

Maybe, maybe not.

If so, it would still have been better to bite that one year bullet than give long term concessions to the ACC.

Ohio State played, what, six games in 2020? It survived quite well.

The idea that the ACC could have extracted any meaningful long term concessions from ND in 2020 is merely wishful thinking.

(01-22-2023 05:11 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 02:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 12:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  the biggest mistake the acc made was giving ND a football home during the covid year and or not getting something in future considerations for letting ND play as conference member that year when non conference was very difficult

I know that many, many fans feel this way, but I don't think that was ever an option at all. What the ACC got in exchange for giving ND a "safe harbor" in 2020 was a nice paycheck from TV (and the CFP) that year and 10M viewers for the ACC CG. You can't always marry the supermodel, but if you get a date with her, be happy with that.

ND isnt the only supermodel though

The ACC is quite welcome to add any of those other supermodels any time it wishes to.

Good luck.

(01-22-2023 05:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 05:11 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 02:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 12:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  the biggest mistake the acc made was giving ND a football home during the covid year and or not getting something in future considerations for letting ND play as conference member that year when non conference was very difficult

I know that many, many fans feel this way, but I don't think that was ever an option at all. What the ACC got in exchange for giving ND a "safe harbor" in 2020 was a nice paycheck from TV (and the CFP) that year and 10M viewers for the ACC CG. You can't always marry the supermodel, but if you get a date with her, be happy with that.

ND isnt the only supermodel though

The ACC is quite welcome to add any of those other supermodels any time it wishes to.

Good luck.

That was my thought. ND is the only Super Model not currently committed to a conference.

(01-22-2023 10:48 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 05:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 05:11 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 02:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 12:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  the biggest mistake the acc made was giving ND a football home during the covid year and or not getting something in future considerations for letting ND play as conference member that year when non conference was very difficult

I know that many, many fans feel this way, but I don't think that was ever an option at all. What the ACC got in exchange for giving ND a "safe harbor" in 2020 was a nice paycheck from TV (and the CFP) that year and 10M viewers for the ACC CG. You can't always marry the supermodel, but if you get a date with her, be happy with that.

ND isnt the only supermodel though

The ACC is quite welcome to add any of those other supermodels any time it wishes to.

Good luck.

That was my thought. ND is the only Super Model not currently committed to a conference.

So, you're saying all the other supermodels are married?

(01-23-2023 08:20 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 10:48 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 05:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 05:11 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 02:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I know that many, many fans feel this way, but I don't think that was ever an option at all. What the ACC got in exchange for giving ND a "safe harbor" in 2020 was a nice paycheck from TV (and the CFP) that year and 10M viewers for the ACC CG. You can't always marry the supermodel, but if you get a date with her, be happy with that.

ND isnt the only supermodel though

The ACC is quite welcome to add any of those other supermodels any time it wishes to.

Good luck.

That was my thought. ND is the only Super Model not currently committed to a conference.

So, you're saying all the other supermodels are married?

Sure.... that's about as far as I can take this metaphor though.

(01-22-2023 02:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-22-2023 12:46 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote:  the biggest mistake the acc made was giving ND a football home during the covid year and or not getting something in future considerations for letting ND play as conference member that year when non conference was very difficult

I know that many, many fans feel this way, but I don't think that was ever an option at all. What the ACC got in exchange for giving ND a "safe harbor" in 2020 was a nice paycheck from TV (and the CFP) that year and 10M viewers for the ACC CG. You can't always marry the supermodel, but if you get a date with her, be happy with that.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of the 'supermodel' analogy—ND is only ND, Joan Smalls is Joan Smalls—but if that's the metaphor: You don't get a 'supermodel' to 'marry' you by bullying the lady and trying to 'force' anything.

That approach is destructive of any partnership you care about, professional or personal. Why not just have the ACC hand-deliver ND's acceptance letter to the B1G?

ACC university presidents were behaving as good neighbors do. They helped each other help their students while doing their best not to get anybody in their stadiums killed. All navigated a tough year, behaved respectably, reaped benefits, and remain friends. A win all around.

Crisis past, one hopes. Onward.

Here's a better analogy.

ND is like a high profile stripper with a following. A visible husband hurts her business because that pokes a hole in the fantasy.

(01-19-2023 10:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ....
I would bump BC up to the every 3 years line.
....

I like it. ND has the rare ability to make BC interesting.