Stan Heath's career record is 222-239, take out the gift year that Gary Waters left him at Kent St, he's 192-233! 5 winning seasons, and 10 losing seasons as A D1 head coach! Disappointed is being kind! We barely beat D2 school for one of our 3 wins! I'm not sure we would beat Ferris St currently with our defense, and lack of rebounding! This is why you hire A winner after 15 years of seeing his results! Tony Barbee took over A disaster at CMU, and in his 2nd year they're better then us! Ball States hire looks phenomenal compared to ours! Heath wants to play G League basketball, we don't have NBA talent at almost every position! We're only 0-1 in the MAC, with 17 MAC games left, last night was A complete embarrassment! Losing by 26 points at home! I want to really support Heath, but we're 3-11! He's getting zero grit from these young men!

(01-04-2023 11:55 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Stan Heath's career record is 222-239, take out the gift year that Gary Waters left him at Kent St, he's 192-233! 5 winning seasons, and 10 losing seasons as A D1 head coach! Disappointed is being kind! We barely beat D2 school for one of our 3 wins! I'm not sure we would beat Ferris St currently with our defense, and lack of rebounding! This is why you hire A winner after 15 years of seeing his results! Tony Barbee took over A disaster at CMU, and in his 2nd year they're better then us! Ball States hire looks phenomenal compared to ours! Heath wants to play G League basketball, we don't have NBA talent at almost every position! We're only 0-1 in the MAC, with 17 MAC games left, last night was A complete embarrassment! Losing by 26 points at home! I want to really support Heath, but we're 3-11! He's getting zero grit from these young men!

Maybe the young men have no grit to give him. We know to Coach Creighton character and chemistry are two important items to bringing a player into the program. It is more important than star ratings or talent. Maybe there is a lesson for Stan Heath.

When Zach Randolph joined MSU Izzo loved his talent but worried night and day that Randolph would harm the program and it's reputation. After one year Randolph headed to the NBA and no one was happier than Izzo.

I wonder if Stan Heath will feel the same if Bates goes pro after this year.

(01-04-2023 11:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Loss to BG was awful.

Wanted to see Heath try to have his players force opponents to shoot fewer three's and shoot a lower percentage. I've said that repeatedly here. That's not happening and will not happen.

As BG shot 10-23 on three's. That's 5 more three's and 15 more points than BG should have been allowed to score. If BG had scored just 5 three's they would have scored in the 70's. and not the 91-points that they did.

Nor does Heath station anyone to defend the rim. Until Heath gets a decent defensive system there's no reason to discuss the quality of EMU's players. It's a waste of time. Nor does EMU have any chance to succeed in conference play.

It's not all defense. We were an overall poor shooting team last year. We have improved some but still not where we need to be. Our overall assists sucked last year. Not sure we are doing that hot this year. Where is the on court leader on this team that can kick his teammates ass and get their attention? Haven't seen any leadership from the players or that winning means anything to them.

(01-04-2023 12:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 11:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Loss to BG was awful.

Wanted to see Heath try to have his players force opponents to shoot fewer three's and shoot a lower percentage. I've said that repeatedly here. That's not happening and will not happen.

As BG shot 10-23 on three's. That's 5 more three's and 15 more points than BG should have been allowed to score. If BG had scored just 5 three's they would have scored in the 70's. and not the 91-points that they did.

Nor does Heath station anyone to defend the rim. Until Heath gets a decent defensive system there's no reason to discuss the quality of EMU's players. It's a waste of time. Nor does EMU have any chance to succeed in conference play.

It's not all defense. We were an overall poor shooting team last year. We have improved some but still not where we need to be. Our overall assists sucked last year. Not sure we are doing that hot this year. Where is the on court leader on this team that can kick his teammates ass and get their attention? Haven't seen any leadership from the players or that winning means anything to them.

EMU is averaging 73.4 ppg which ranks EMU in the middle in scoring of all D-1 schools in the nation. EMU is among the bottom 50 teams on two-point shooting percentage and in taking the fewest 3-point shots per game. Such makes no sense as DMU shoots a better converted percentage than if they had shot two's.

(01-04-2023 12:31 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 11:10 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Loss to BG was awful.

Wanted to see Heath try to have his players force opponents to shoot fewer three's and shoot a lower percentage. I've said that repeatedly here. That's not happening and will not happen.

As BG shot 10-23 on three's. That's 5 more three's and 15 more points than BG should have been allowed to score. If BG had scored just 5 three's they would have scored in the 70's. and not the 91-points that they did.

Nor does Heath station anyone to defend the rim. Until Heath gets a decent defensive system there's no reason to discuss the quality of EMU's players. It's a waste of time. Nor does EMU have any chance to succeed in conference play.

It's not all defense. We were an overall poor shooting team last year. We have improved some but still not where we need to be. Our overall assists sucked last year. Not sure we are doing that hot this year. Where is the on court leader on this team that can kick his teammates ass and get their attention? Haven't seen any leadership from the players or that winning means anything to them.

Haven't seen any on floor leadership in decades.

(01-04-2023 12:23 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 11:02 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 09:08 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  It is all but over. Who would have thunk it? In retrospect, that ugly loss at Bradley told us a lot, but we chose to keep believing and hoping and it just never got better. Really, really disappointing state of affairs. I have no idea where EMU basketball goes from here.

Insightful post Bob. Yes, I made scheduling excuses for this team's poor performance to date, but this team is horrible. Tonight, made that evident.

This is NOT a team in any sense of the word, we have a diva.

From a W-L standpoint, EMU probably killed this season when we signed Emoni Bates. Yes, I said that, as counterintuitive as it may seem.

Emoni is not that talented. While his game is incredibly soft and backcourt oriented, his height and subsequent lack of quickness there are liabilities.

Yes, he is 6'10", but he plays far much smaller. Notice how Geeter or Billingsley is assigned to the opening game jump ball and closest to the basket on free throws rather than the taller Emoni. He does not rebound or block shots like a player of his length might be expected to do, either.

On defense, let's just say he is unspectacular and largely uninterested. From jump in the second half tonight, the far smaller Elsasser pulled up and shot a 3-ball right over Emoni with zero contest. Ben Simmons, he is not. Passing, rebounding and shot blocking seem also to be activities that Emoni has zero passion for.

He got two senseless technical fouls in consecutive games this season. He appears un-engaged during timeouts with Coach Heath. One might surmise that the Emoni is just serving time until he is eligible for the NBA draft and only interested in personal point totals. His coach is his father who has only NBA eyes.

Finally check out the W-L record at Memphis last year. With Emoni they were 11-8. Once Bates got hurt, Memphis went 10-2 in the regular season. Just saying...

With all the problems there are on this team, and you write an opinion laden dissertation exclusively on Emoni Bates? I don’t think those two technical fouls Emoni had like 6 or 7 games ago had much bearing on the season.

Ramy you are a tremendous fan and I deeply respect your commitment to the team. We sit less than 30 feet from each other at the games and we both root hard for EMU. You are a very engaged supporter and I respect that!

Nevertheless, I have to call it as I see it. Our most talented player sets the tone and chemistry for the team. It is the reason that the senior years of Ray Lee and JT4 ended so disappointedly after being picked to be the MAC preseason champions. Emoni plays to be a draft pick, he is not at all interested in EMU success. That is evident from his behavior. Just my evaluation.

(01-04-2023 08:36 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 12:23 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 11:02 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 09:08 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  It is all but over. Who would have thunk it? In retrospect, that ugly loss at Bradley told us a lot, but we chose to keep believing and hoping and it just never got better. Really, really disappointing state of affairs. I have no idea where EMU basketball goes from here.

Insightful post Bob. Yes, I made scheduling excuses for this team's poor performance to date, but this team is horrible. Tonight, made that evident.

This is NOT a team in any sense of the word, we have a diva.

From a W-L standpoint, EMU probably killed this season when we signed Emoni Bates. Yes, I said that, as counterintuitive as it may seem.

Emoni is not that talented. While his game is incredibly soft and backcourt oriented, his height and subsequent lack of quickness there are liabilities.

Yes, he is 6'10", but he plays far much smaller. Notice how Geeter or Billingsley is assigned to the opening game jump ball and closest to the basket on free throws rather than the taller Emoni. He does not rebound or block shots like a player of his length might be expected to do, either.

On defense, let's just say he is unspectacular and largely uninterested. From jump in the second half tonight, the far smaller Elsasser pulled up and shot a 3-ball right over Emoni with zero contest. Ben Simmons, he is not. Passing, rebounding and shot blocking seem also to be activities that Emoni has zero passion for.

He got two senseless technical fouls in consecutive games this season. He appears un-engaged during timeouts with Coach Heath. One might surmise that the Emoni is just serving time until he is eligible for the NBA draft and only interested in personal point totals. His coach is his father who has only NBA eyes.

Finally check out the W-L record at Memphis last year. With Emoni they were 11-8. Once Bates got hurt, Memphis went 10-2 in the regular season. Just saying...

With all the problems there are on this team, and you write an opinion laden dissertation exclusively on Emoni Bates? I don’t think those two technical fouls Emoni had like 6 or 7 games ago had much bearing on the season.

Ramy you are a tremendous fan and I deeply respect your commitment to the team. We sit less than 30 feet from each other at the games and we both root hard for EMU. You are a very engaged supporter and I respect that!

Nevertheless, I have to call it as I see it. Our most talented player sets the tone and chemistry for the team. It is the reason that the senior years of Ray Lee and JT4 ended so disappointedly after being picked to be the MAC preseason champions. Emoni plays to be a draft pick, he is not at all interested in EMU success. That is evident from his behavior. Just my evaluation.

Fair enough Jerry. I do enjoy your posts. And I will respect your opinion no matter how wrong it is. ( kidding. you have a lot of insights that I value tremendously).

I understand these are sports forums so ALL of us are merely voicing opinions- and ALL of us are probably wrong on some levels. But what you are “calling what you are seeing” is bringing into question a young man’s character- whether Emoni, Ray Lee, or JT4. (Ironically, some of my favorite players) Maybe you are right, or maybe you are wrong, or maybe it doesn’t matter because no one is paying attention to what a bunch of blowhards like us are even saying. But I will always err on the side of defending these young men who have selected my alma mater to represent- unless of course it is more obvious they did something they are being accused of. I mean not to be offensive or argumentative. I apologize if I am being either.

Cheers to you my friend! And Go EMU!

(01-04-2023 12:26 PM)emu79 Wrote:  When Zach Randolph joined MSU Izzo loved his talent but worried night and day that Randolph would harm the program and it's reputation. After one year Randolph headed to the NBA and no one was happier than Izzo.

I wonder if Stan Heath will feel the same if Bates goes pro after this year.

Why do you think Emoni Bates is the reason this team is 3-11? As opposed to say Geeter/Randle are not yet adequate centers? Or Noah isn’t playing as effectively as he was last year? Or Coach Heath’s system is too simplistic that opposing coaches have easily figured it out since early in MAC play LAST year? Or all of the above plus. I am not trying critique the other individuals of these examples, nor am I trying to argue with you. I am just trying to understand why you think this team would be better off without Emoni Bates? Thus team very well could be winless without him.

(01-05-2023 12:07 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 12:26 PM)emu79 Wrote:  When Zach Randolph joined MSU Izzo loved his talent but worried night and day that Randolph would harm the program and it's reputation. After one year Randolph headed to the NBA and no one was happier than Izzo.

I wonder if Stan Heath will feel the same if Bates goes pro after this year.

Why do you think Emoni Bates is the reason this team is 3-11? As opposed to say Geeter/Randle are not yet adequate centers? Or Noah isn’t playing as effectively as he was last year? Or Coach Heath’s system is too simplistic that opposing coaches have easily figured it out since early in MAC play LAST year? Or all of the above plus. I am not trying critique the other individuals of these examples, nor am I trying to argue with you. I am just trying to understand why you think this team would be better off without Emoni Bates? Thus team very well could be winless without him.

I think Bates police incident had a negative impact before this season even started regardless of the legal outcome. I think Bates and his father are at EMU simply because it fits their purpose of getting him to the NBA. Heath I think has bought into that agenda. Overall this team was playing better quality basketball a year ago without Bates and much more competitive basketball. I don't think Bates is at fault solely but we brought him and other transfers to win games and we are losing them in some cases by wide margins. Again chemistry and character often mean more than talent and star ratings. Ask Chris Creighton.

(01-04-2023 11:55 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Stan Heath's career record is 222-239, take out the gift year that Gary Waters left him at Kent St, he's 192-233! 5 winning seasons, and 10 losing seasons as A D1 head coach! Disappointed is being kind! We barely beat D2 school for one of our 3 wins! I'm not sure we would beat Ferris St currently with our defense, and lack of rebounding! This is why you hire A winner after 15 years of seeing his results! Tony Barbee took over A disaster at CMU, and in his 2nd year they're better then us! Ball States hire looks phenomenal compared to ours! Heath wants to play G League basketball, we don't have NBA talent at almost every position! We're only 0-1 in the MAC, with 17 MAC games left, last night was A complete embarrassment! Losing by 26 points at home! I want to really support Heath, but we're 3-11! He's getting zero grit from these young men!

EMUglory, you simply have to give credit to Heath for his PHENOMENAL Elite 8 tournament team at Kent State. He didn't inherit the '85 Celtics for Christ sake. He was national coach of the year finalist and did an amazing job. I suppose we should take away all Steve Fisher's accomplishments at U-M too? Come on take the high road. As far as his other stops, i.e. Arkansas, etc. Typically great, ready to win teams aren't looking for a new coach. The man is a good, solid coach who is not doing a good job with this team. There could be many factors involved that we do not know about but to suggest that Stan Heath is a bum is wrong. I'm sure Izzo would take him back in a heartbeat.

(01-05-2023 04:19 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 12:07 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 12:26 PM)emu79 Wrote:  When Zach Randolph joined MSU Izzo loved his talent but worried night and day that Randolph would harm the program and it's reputation. After one year Randolph headed to the NBA and no one was happier than Izzo.

I wonder if Stan Heath will feel the same if Bates goes pro after this year.

Why do you think Emoni Bates is the reason this team is 3-11? As opposed to say Geeter/Randle are not yet adequate centers? Or Noah isn’t playing as effectively as he was last year? Or Coach Heath’s system is too simplistic that opposing coaches have easily figured it out since early in MAC play LAST year? Or all of the above plus. I am not trying critique the other individuals of these examples, nor am I trying to argue with you. I am just trying to understand why you think this team would be better off without Emoni Bates? Thus team very well could be winless without him.

I think Bates police incident had a negative impact before this season even started regardless of the legal outcome. I think Bates and his father are at EMU simply because it fits their purpose of getting him to the NBA. Heath I think has bought into that agenda. Overall this team was playing better quality basketball a year ago without Bates and much more competitive basketball. I don't think Bates is at fault solely but we brought him and other transfers to win games and we are losing them in some cases by wide margins. Again chemistry and character often mean more than talent and star ratings. Ask Chris Creighton.

There are a lot of “I thinks” in there, but I appreciate the answer. I see different things that make me “think” the opposite. I see a good teammate: yesterdays game when Enomi has his arm around Luka for discussion/encouragement/coaching, in the SC game when Emoni stops the ref when his teammate Billingsley gets his eye swiped, in the UM game when Emoni encourages Noah who has a towel draped over his head at the end of an emotionally exhausting game. I see that and I “think” of the 12 year old Emoni who along with his father helped a local kid in Ty Groce overcome mental health issues. Emoni to me seems like a high character kid rather than a problem. Maybe there is no NBA agenda, Emoni just wanted to come home. (The arrest some of us see differently, not gonna bring all that up again). I could be wrong, or you could be wrong, or somewhere in between. But I encourage you to consider it some more, especially when you are publicly insinuating Emoni Bates may “harm the program and its reputation“.

You can do as you see fit. In any case, as with Jerry, I do value and appreciate your posts tremendously! Go EMU!!

(01-05-2023 10:36 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 04:19 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 12:07 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  [quote='emu79' pid='18704131' dateline='1672853197']
When Zach Randolph joined MSU Izzo loved his talent but worried night and day that Randolph would harm the program and it's reputation. After one year Randolph headed to the NBA and no one was happier than Izzo.

I wonder if Stan Heath will feel the same if Bates goes pro after this year.

Why do you think Emoni Bates is the reason this team is 3-11? As opposed to say Geeter/Randle are not yet adequate centers? Or Noah isn’t playing as effectively as he was last year? Or Coach Heath’s system is too simplistic that opposing coaches have easily figured it out since early in MAC play LAST year? Or all of the above plus. I am not trying critique the other individuals of these examples, nor am I trying to argue with you. I am just trying to understand why you think this team would be better off without Emoni Bates? Thus team very well could be winless without him.

I think Bates police incident had a negative impact before this season even started regardless of the legal outcome. I think Bates and his father are at EMU simply because it fits their purpose of getting him to the NBA. Heath I think has bought into that agenda. Overall this team was playing better quality basketball a year ago without Bates and much more competitive basketball. I don't think Bates is at fault solely but we brought him and other transfers to win games and we are losing them in some cases by wide margins. Again chemistry and character often mean more than talent and star ratings. Ask Chris Creighton.

There are a lot of “I thinks” in there, but I appreciate the answer. I see different things that make me “think” the opposite. I see a good teammate: yesterdays game when Enomi has his arm around Luka for discussion/encouragement/coaching, in the SC game when Emoni stops the ref when his teammate Billingsley gets his eye swiped, in the UM game when Emoni encourages Noah who has a towel draped over his head at the end of an emotionally exhausting game. I see that and I “think” of the 12 year old Emoni who along with his father helped a local kid in Ty Groce overcome mental health issues. Emoni to me seems like a high character kid rather than a problem. Maybe there is no NBA agenda, Emoni just wanted to come home. (The arrest some of us see differently, not gonna bring all that up again). I could be wrong, or you could be wrong, or somewhere in between. But I encourage you to consider it some more, especially when you are publicly insinuating Emoni Bates may “harm the program and its reputation“.

You can do as you see fit. In any case, as with Jerry, I do value and appreciate your posts tremendously! Go EMU!!


I certainly will. But you didn't answer my points that Bates and transfers were brought on to improve this program and take the program from where it was last year. And if seeing is believing the program is going downhill from last year. You seem to agree with me that many of the players from last year have actually regressed based on performance. Again why is that? What has changed from last year to cause that? Lastly do you think that arrest and all it's publicity was positive for the university and the basketball program?

(01-05-2023 10:52 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 10:36 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 04:19 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 12:07 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  [quote='emu79' pid='18704131' dateline='1672853197']
When Zach Randolph joined MSU Izzo loved his talent but worried night and day that Randolph would harm the program and it's reputation. After one year Randolph headed to the NBA and no one was happier than Izzo.

I wonder if Stan Heath will feel the same if Bates goes pro after this year.

Why do you think Emoni Bates is the reason this team is 3-11? As opposed to say Geeter/Randle are not yet adequate centers? Or Noah isn’t playing as effectively as he was last year? Or Coach Heath’s system is too simplistic that opposing coaches have easily figured it out since early in MAC play LAST year? Or all of the above plus. I am not trying critique the other individuals of these examples, nor am I trying to argue with you. I am just trying to understand why you think this team would be better off without Emoni Bates? Thus team very well could be winless without him.

I think Bates police incident had a negative impact before this season even started regardless of the legal outcome. I think Bates and his father are at EMU simply because it fits their purpose of getting him to the NBA. Heath I think has bought into that agenda. Overall this team was playing better quality basketball a year ago without Bates and much more competitive basketball. I don't think Bates is at fault solely but we brought him and other transfers to win games and we are losing them in some cases by wide margins. Again chemistry and character often mean more than talent and star ratings. Ask Chris Creighton.

There are a lot of “I thinks” in there, but I appreciate the answer. I see different things that make me “think” the opposite. I see a good teammate: yesterdays game when Enomi has his arm around Luka for discussion/encouragement/coaching, in the SC game when Emoni stops the ref when his teammate Billingsley gets his eye swiped, in the UM game when Emoni encourages Noah who has a towel draped over his head at the end of an emotionally exhausting game. I see that and I “think” of the 12 year old Emoni who along with his father helped a local kid in Ty Groce overcome mental health issues. Emoni to me seems like a high character kid rather than a problem. Maybe there is no NBA agenda, Emoni just wanted to come home. (The arrest some of us see differently, not gonna bring all that up again). I could be wrong, or you could be wrong, or somewhere in between. But I encourage you to consider it some more, especially when you are publicly insinuating Emoni Bates may “harm the program and its reputation“.

You can do as you see fit. In any case, as with Jerry, I do value and appreciate your posts tremendously! Go EMU!!


I certainly will. But you didn't answer my points that Bates and transfers were brought on to improve this program and take the program from where it was last year. And if seeing is believing the program is going downhill from last year. You seem to agree with me that many of the players from last year have actually regressed based on performance. Again why is that? What has changed from last year to cause that? Lastly do you think that arrest and all it's publicity was positive for the university and the basketball program?

Last year after starting the season 7-7, EMU finished the season 3-14. So the 3-11 start to this year seems more to me to be a continuation of a regression that started last year. Emoni Bates (nor any of these transfers) was not around last year. My opinion, I think Coach Heath’s NBA style offense is far too simplistic and coaches have figured this out since last year. But I don’t want to over critique a 2nd year coach publicly, I am giving him 5 years to figure this situation out.

Also, I did not mean to insinuate Noah regressed, but his shooting percentage is significantly down. I think his passing has improved tremendously as has to a lesser extent his defense and turnovers. But I think his 3 point shooting going from 40% to 28% has hurt- as has his lower 2 point shooting percentage. Not sure why this happened, but seems a loose association at best to blame this on Emoni and the transfers. I don’t think Golson, Luka, Rice, have regressed- playing exactly as they did last year.

Was the arrest bad publicity regardless of your perspective on the circumstances? Sure was. But my goodness, how much good publicity did EMU get from Emoni Bates playing at EMU? Quite a bit.

I am not trying to get into a tit-for-tat debate here. But did want to answer your questions, as you did mine.

Good discussion. I agree with giving these young men the benefit of the doubt, we do not have privy to the locker room, and do not honestly know what is going on.

The one thing that I cannot excuse is lack of effort. What I saw Tuesday smelled like that - and that this team was going through the motions. I never boo at a sporting event but something was clutching at my throat.

Now, do they all have Mono or food poisoning? Did someone announce that someone close to them was dying? We'll never know, but the mostly positive and supporting group of fans that I sit with all saw the same thing.

(01-05-2023 11:55 AM)EMU 83 Wrote:  Good discussion. I agree with giving these young men the benefit of the doubt, we do not have privy to the locker room, and do not honestly know what is going on.

The one thing that I cannot excuse is lack of effort. What I saw Tuesday smelled like that - and that this team was going through the motions. I never boo at a sporting event but something was clutching at my throat.

Now, do they all have Mono or food poisoning? Did someone announce that someone close to them was dying? We'll never know, but the mostly positive and supporting group of fans that I sit with all saw the same thing.

I think they all developed mono after the UofM game.

(01-05-2023 11:55 AM)EMU 83 Wrote:  Good discussion. I agree with giving these young men the benefit of the doubt, we do not have privy to the locker room, and do not honestly know what is going on.

The one thing that I cannot excuse is lack of effort. What I saw Tuesday smelled like that - and that this team was going through the motions. I never boo at a sporting event but something was clutching at my throat.

Now, do they all have Mono or food poisoning? Did someone announce that someone close to them was dying? We'll never know, but the mostly positive and supporting group of fans that I sit with all saw the same thing.

Maybe it smells like ganja.

(01-05-2023 11:55 AM)EMU 83 Wrote:  Good discussion. I agree with giving these young men the benefit of the doubt, we do not have privy to the locker room, and do not honestly know what is going on.

The one thing that I cannot excuse is lack of effort. What I saw Tuesday smelled like that - and that this team was going through the motions. I never boo at a sporting event but something was clutching at my throat.

Now, do they all have Mono or food poisoning? Did someone announce that someone close to them was dying? We'll never know, but the mostly positive and supporting group of fans that I sit with all saw the same thing.

I 100% agree on the lack of effort (team wide). Feels like everyone is playing us a lot harder then we are playing them. It’s hard to say if it is lack of effort leading to losses, or is it losses that is leading to lack of effort. Probably a little of both and moreso cyclical.

… IF they can get on a little win streak, the cycle can reverse in the other direction. Unfortunately, at this point I don’t foresee this happening.

(01-05-2023 07:19 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-04-2023 11:55 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Stan Heath's career record is 222-239, take out the gift year that Gary Waters left him at Kent St, he's 192-233! 5 winning seasons, and 10 losing seasons as A D1 head coach! Disappointed is being kind! We barely beat D2 school for one of our 3 wins! I'm not sure we would beat Ferris St currently with our defense, and lack of rebounding! This is why you hire A winner after 15 years of seeing his results! Tony Barbee took over A disaster at CMU, and in his 2nd year they're better then us! Ball States hire looks phenomenal compared to ours! Heath wants to play G League basketball, we don't have NBA talent at almost every position! We're only 0-1 in the MAC, with 17 MAC games left, last night was A complete embarrassment! Losing by 26 points at home! I want to really support Heath, but we're 3-11! He's getting zero grit from these young men!

EMUglory, you simply have to give credit to Heath for his PHENOMENAL Elite 8 tournament team at Kent State. He didn't inherit the '85 Celtics for Christ sake. He was national coach of the year finalist and did an amazing job. I suppose we should take away all Steve Fisher's accomplishments at U-M too? Come on take the high road. As far as his other stops, i.e. Arkansas, etc. Typically great, ready to win teams aren't looking for a new coach. The man is a good, solid coach who is not doing a good job with this team. There could be many factors involved that we do not know about but to suggest that Stan Heath is a bum is wrong. I'm sure Izzo would take him back in a heartbeat.

BobW: Particularly profound statement. Sums it all up perfectly!

Glory: The majority of the historical record you are citing comes from coaching at USF which is a historically poor program that was at the time competing in the Big East (which he managed to take to the NCAA one year earning Big East COY honors). I think Coach Heath has been trying some new things these first couple years that hasn’t worked out, but he’ll figure it out. Still, I understand your frustration with this beyond dismal start.

I'm think of going down to the women's game in BG instead of the mens home game. I don't think I can watch the lack of a true game much longer. I much rather watch a team that wants to win.