(01-02-2023 01:24 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 12:23 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 12:14 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:13 AM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 10:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The Admin told Ryan to make changes. The rumor has been circulating for weeks - and it seems pretty obvious to those willing to use (and capable of using) an ounce of reason.

Obviously, if you perform at the minimum standard time after time, you will eventually be given the opportunity to work elsewhere. I had hoped 2 years in a row would do this. I am absolutely convinced 3 years in a row would lead to this.

For those who think hitting the stated "minimum standard" means you keep your job indefinitely, I encourage you to try this theory in your own life.

As a administrator in the school system, teachers strive for a 3 on their evaluations which is the minimum to keep their job and tenure. So that theory works for thousands of jobs.

I sad admission on your part. What in the hell is the world coming to?

Military has been this way since at least WWII. Sounds like a government job to me, but what it has to do with a head coaching position at a Division I school is beyond me.

The response was to tiger87 that to use that theory in your own life not to the coaches as you misread

Okay, that's fair. If you have tenure or part of a strong union, that will work. So go for that lowest bar, young man!
[still doesn't apply to this situation, but i retract my example]

(01-02-2023 11:13 AM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 10:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The Admin told Ryan to make changes. The rumor has been circulating for weeks - and it seems pretty obvious to those willing to use (and capable of using) an ounce of reason.

Obviously, if you perform at the minimum standard time after time, you will eventually be given the opportunity to work elsewhere. I had hoped 2 years in a row would do this. I am absolutely convinced 3 years in a row would lead to this.

For those who think hitting the stated "minimum standard" means you keep your job indefinitely, I encourage you to try this theory in your own life.

As a administrator in the school system, teachers strive for a 3 on their evaluations which is the minimum to keep their job and tenure. So that theory works for thousands of jobs.

Minimum to keep a job is not what teachers strive for. Raises, bonus pay, attractiveness to transfer schools makes teachers strive for a 5.
If you are an administrator with teachers striving for a 3 you’re stuck with them and you’re likely stuck there because that culture sucks.

(01-02-2023 01:30 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 01:24 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  The response was to tiger87 that to use that theory in your own life not to the coaches as you misread

Good point. My apologies. To go a bit off-topic, we certainly need to invest more into education and tighten up the standards. Too many bad teachers skating by.

Maybe because they are learning to indoctrinate instead of educate.

(01-02-2023 11:13 AM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 10:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The Admin told Ryan to make changes. The rumor has been circulating for weeks - and it seems pretty obvious to those willing to use (and capable of using) an ounce of reason.

Obviously, if you perform at the minimum standard time after time, you will eventually be given the opportunity to work elsewhere. I had hoped 2 years in a row would do this. I am absolutely convinced 3 years in a row would lead to this.

For those who think hitting the stated "minimum standard" means you keep your job indefinitely, I encourage you to try this theory in your own life.

As a administrator in the school system, teachers strive for a 3 on their evaluations which is the minimum to keep their job and tenure. So that theory works for thousands of jobs.

(01-03-2023 06:39 AM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 01:30 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 01:24 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  The response was to tiger87 that to use that theory in your own life not to the coaches as you misread

Good point. My apologies. To go a bit off-topic, we certainly need to invest more into education and tighten up the standards. Too many bad teachers skating by.

Maybe because they are learning to indoctrinate instead of educate.

Oh my

(01-01-2023 06:10 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 06:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm reluctantly thinking another 6-6 year & a bowl game will allow RS to keep his job, unfortunately. This is especially disappointing considering our back to back in-conference losing records. Nothing odd about my interpretation of Veatch's letter. It apparently was shared by enough folks that he had to later issue additional remarks.

So you stubbornly choose to ignore his additional remarks. We get it.

I didn't ignore his additional clarifying remarks but you did ignore my clarifying remarks that said despite the stated min std the admin wants more. In fact I clearly stated that understanding by saying the admin wasn't satisfied with past performance & they desire better. I simply understand Veatch actions as more indicative of Veatch's meaning. Veatch, & the admin RS reports too, simply find repeated 6 wins seasons & losing records in-conference records acceptable enough for RS to retain his job (the minimum std Veach stated). So what is it next season with a clearly weaker schedule? Does 7 wins but only 4 in-conference wins allow RS to keep his job another year? After all, it will show numerical W/L improvement beyond the stated "minimum std" for retention (you are expected to ignore the weaker schedule with Cincy, UH & UCF gone).

(01-03-2023 04:45 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:13 AM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 10:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The Admin told Ryan to make changes. The rumor has been circulating for weeks - and it seems pretty obvious to those willing to use (and capable of using) an ounce of reason.

Obviously, if you perform at the minimum standard time after time, you will eventually be given the opportunity to work elsewhere. I had hoped 2 years in a row would do this. I am absolutely convinced 3 years in a row would lead to this.

For those who think hitting the stated "minimum standard" means you keep your job indefinitely, I encourage you to try this theory in your own life.

As a administrator in the school system, teachers strive for a 3 on their evaluations which is the minimum to keep their job and tenure. So that theory works for thousands of jobs.

Minimum to keep a job is not what teachers strive for. Raises, bonus pay, attractiveness to transfer schools makes teachers strive for a 5.
If you are an administrator with teachers striving for a 3 you’re stuck with them and you’re likely stuck there because that culture sucks.

The only raise a teacher gets a step raise. Bonus pay doesn’t exist. Transfer can happen at any time but if a school is real good academically and behaviorally then you as a teacher can’t get in.. I wouldn’t want to be a teacher now bc it is not like it was.

(01-02-2023 12:23 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 12:14 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:13 AM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 10:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The Admin told Ryan to make changes. The rumor has been circulating for weeks - and it seems pretty obvious to those willing to use (and capable of using) an ounce of reason.

Obviously, if you perform at the minimum standard time after time, you will eventually be given the opportunity to work elsewhere. I had hoped 2 years in a row would do this. I am absolutely convinced 3 years in a row would lead to this.

For those who think hitting the stated "minimum standard" means you keep your job indefinitely, I encourage you to try this theory in your own life.

As a administrator in the school system, teachers strive for a 3 on their evaluations which is the minimum to keep their job and tenure. So that theory works for thousands of jobs.

I sad admission on your part. What in the hell is the world coming to?

Military has been this way since at least WWII. Sounds like a government job to me, but what it has to do with a head coaching position at a Division I school is beyond me.

I disagree on the Military statement. I hired a Marine fresh out of the service. When he didn't get all maximum scores on his first review he broke down in tears during his review thinking he was going to lose his job.

(01-03-2023 06:39 AM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 01:30 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 01:24 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  The response was to tiger87 that to use that theory in your own life not to the coaches as you misread

Good point. My apologies. To go a bit off-topic, we certainly need to invest more into education and tighten up the standards. Too many bad teachers skating by.

Maybe because they are learning to indoctrinate instead of educate.

^^THIS^^

(01-03-2023 08:07 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 06:10 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-01-2023 06:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm reluctantly thinking another 6-6 year & a bowl game will allow RS to keep his job, unfortunately. This is especially disappointing considering our back to back in-conference losing records. Nothing odd about my interpretation of Veatch's letter. It apparently was shared by enough folks that he had to later issue additional remarks.

So you stubbornly choose to ignore his additional remarks. We get it.

I didn't ignore his additional clarifying remarks but you did ignore my clarifying remarks that said despite the stated min std the admin wants more. In fact I clearly stated that understanding by saying the admin wasn't satisfied with past performance & they desire better. I simply understand Veatch actions as more indicative of Veatch's meaning. Veatch, & the admin RS reports too, simply find repeated 6 wins seasons & losing records in-conference records acceptable enough for RS to retain his job (the minimum std Veach stated). So what is it next season with a clearly weaker schedule? Does 7 wins but only 4 in-conference wins allow RS to keep his job another year? After all, it will show numerical W/L improvement beyond the stated "minimum std" for retention (you are expected to ignore the weaker schedule with Cincy, UH & UCF gone).

You're in good company with jsw3ent. No sense trying to explain it to you.

(01-03-2023 09:43 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 12:23 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 12:14 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:13 AM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 10:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The Admin told Ryan to make changes. The rumor has been circulating for weeks - and it seems pretty obvious to those willing to use (and capable of using) an ounce of reason.

Obviously, if you perform at the minimum standard time after time, you will eventually be given the opportunity to work elsewhere. I had hoped 2 years in a row would do this. I am absolutely convinced 3 years in a row would lead to this.

For those who think hitting the stated "minimum standard" means you keep your job indefinitely, I encourage you to try this theory in your own life.

As a administrator in the school system, teachers strive for a 3 on their evaluations which is the minimum to keep their job and tenure. So that theory works for thousands of jobs.

I sad admission on your part. What in the hell is the world coming to?

Military has been this way since at least WWII. Sounds like a government job to me, but what it has to do with a head coaching position at a Division I school is beyond me.

I disagree on the Military statement. I hired a Marine fresh out of the service. When he didn't get all maximum scores on his first review he broke down in tears during his review thinking he was going to lose his job.

Sure, you can disagree based on one Marine, but that says less about the military and more about that individual. To stay in the military, you have to maintain the minimum standard. Just like being a teacher and most other government jobs. Do you think the DMV and US Postal Service employees have to do any different?

(01-03-2023 06:39 AM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 01:30 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 01:24 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  The response was to tiger87 that to use that theory in your own life not to the coaches as you misread

Good point. My apologies. To go a bit off-topic, we certainly need to invest more into education and tighten up the standards. Too many bad teachers skating by.

Maybe because they are learning to indoctrinate instead of educate.

Aha! I see that your indoctrination is complete. Have some more of the Kool-Ade....

(01-03-2023 04:45 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 11:13 AM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2023 10:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The Admin told Ryan to make changes. The rumor has been circulating for weeks - and it seems pretty obvious to those willing to use (and capable of using) an ounce of reason.

Obviously, if you perform at the minimum standard time after time, you will eventually be given the opportunity to work elsewhere. I had hoped 2 years in a row would do this. I am absolutely convinced 3 years in a row would lead to this.

For those who think hitting the stated "minimum standard" means you keep your job indefinitely, I encourage you to try this theory in your own life.

As a administrator in the school system, teachers strive for a 3 on their evaluations which is the minimum to keep their job and tenure. So that theory works for thousands of jobs.

Minimum to keep a job is not what teachers strive for. Raises, bonus pay, attractiveness to transfer schools makes teachers strive for a 5.
If you are an administrator with teachers striving for a 3 you’re stuck with them and you’re likely stuck there because that culture sucks.

Maybe the difference between SCS and most other districts?

Anyways, lots or players removing themselves from the portal the last few days. Maybe the silliness is slowing down a bit.

(01-03-2023 11:48 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Anyways, lots or players removing themselves from the portal the last few days. Maybe the silliness is slowing down a bit.

Let's hope so. Players will eventually discover the grass isn't always greener.

(01-03-2023 11:48 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Anyways, lots or players removing themselves from the portal the last few days. Maybe the silliness is slowing down a bit.

The players go into the portal looking at their preferred future destination. Between that time and the time they have to decide, that school has players that remove their names from the portal, they sign other players from the portal, and they sign recruits.

All of a sudden, what looked like an open path to start at a name P5 school, exposure and NIL money becomes a dogfight to even get on the field...and probably no money.

Jackson is a prime example of the pitfalls involved. IF he stays here, he starts for sure probably makes a bit of money, and has a great shot at exposure and the playoff. Add what posters have implied about his attitude, which the new staff might not be so lenient with, and all the more reason to stay and straighten out.

(01-03-2023 12:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 11:48 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Anyways, lots or players removing themselves from the portal the last few days. Maybe the silliness is slowing down a bit.

The players go into the portal looking at their preferred future destination. Between that time and the time they have to decide, that school has players that remove their names from the portal, they sign other players from the portal, and they sign recruits.

All of a sudden, what looked like an open path to start at a name P5 school, exposure and NIL money becomes a dogfight to even get on the field...and probably no money.

Jackson is a prime example of the pitfalls involved. IF he stays here, he starts for sure probably makes a bit of money, and has a great shot at exposure and the playoff. Add what posters have implied about his attitude, which the new staff might not be so lenient with, and all the more reason to stay and straighten out.

That makes perfect sense but the 18-20 year old mind with a posse making comments will often not make the best decision....

(01-03-2023 12:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 11:48 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Anyways, lots or players removing themselves from the portal the last few days. Maybe the silliness is slowing down a bit.

The players go into the portal looking at their preferred future destination. Between that time and the time they have to decide, that school has players that remove their names from the portal, they sign other players from the portal, and they sign recruits.

All of a sudden, what looked like an open path to start at a name P5 school, exposure and NIL money becomes a dogfight to even get on the field...and probably no money.

Jackson is a prime example of the pitfalls involved. IF he stays here, he starts for sure probably makes a bit of money, and has a great shot at exposure and the playoff. Add what posters have implied about his attitude, which the new staff might not be so lenient with, and all the more reason to stay and straighten out.

Is there a chance Jackson may not stay in the portal, or was that a hypothetical example. I did not read through the entire thread.

(01-03-2023 02:27 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 12:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 11:48 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Anyways, lots or players removing themselves from the portal the last few days. Maybe the silliness is slowing down a bit.

The players go into the portal looking at their preferred future destination. Between that time and the time they have to decide, that school has players that remove their names from the portal, they sign other players from the portal, and they sign recruits.

All of a sudden, what looked like an open path to start at a name P5 school, exposure and NIL money becomes a dogfight to even get on the field...and probably no money.

Jackson is a prime example of the pitfalls involved. IF he stays here, he starts for sure probably makes a bit of money, and has a great shot at exposure and the playoff. Add what posters have implied about his attitude, which the new staff might not be so lenient with, and all the more reason to stay and straighten out.

Is there a chance Jackson may not stay in the portal, or was that a hypothetical example. I did not read through the entire thread.

My understanding was he had already found a home in the SEC at FL.

I would think the players removing their names quickly are the ones whose potential new home didn’t pan out as expected & they are trying to return to their original school before their spot is backfilled there.

(01-03-2023 02:27 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 12:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-03-2023 11:48 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Anyways, lots or players removing themselves from the portal the last few days. Maybe the silliness is slowing down a bit.

The players go into the portal looking at their preferred future destination. Between that time and the time they have to decide, that school has players that remove their names from the portal, they sign other players from the portal, and they sign recruits.

All of a sudden, what looked like an open path to start at a name P5 school, exposure and NIL money becomes a dogfight to even get on the field...and probably no money.

Jackson is a prime example of the pitfalls involved. IF he stays here, he starts for sure probably makes a bit of money, and has a great shot at exposure and the playoff. Add what posters have implied about his attitude, which the new staff might not be so lenient with, and all the more reason to stay and straighten out.

Is there a chance Jackson may not stay in the portal, or was that a hypothetical example. I did not read through the entire thread.

According to the Twitter-webs, it appears he visited both UGA and Florida over the holiday break. He was shopping and looks like he found a buyer. Won't help his NFL stock one bit, but he might get paid some to be an SEC backup.