(12-24-2022 01:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-24-2022 01:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(12-24-2022 12:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-24-2022 12:21 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I just got a text from my local co-op stating that Duke energy has begun temporary outages to protect the grid. This is bull****. I'm less than 120 miles from the closest Duke nuclear power plant. I'm in a ridiculously low populated area. The grid in my part of the state is constantly rebuilt, upgraded, and maintained due to the hurricanes. If they cut my power the ****** part of all of it is that it will be to keep the lights on in the triangle 160 miles away.

Never thought I would need my generator for winter brown outs.

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Same here in SENC.

We can't be far apart. I'm Craven/Carteret county

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Im further South in Columbus county..close to Lake Waccamaw. Lots of homes there are out of power now.

They never cut ours today. There's only 800 homes in my little corner of the county, many of which are still heated by wood or fuel oil. I guess we didn't pull enough juice to be on the chopping block.

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How did they manage to keep the lights on during the spring summer and fall when AC is running nonstop?

(12-25-2022 12:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How did they manage to keep the lights on during the spring summer and fall when AC is running nonstop?

Too many people relying on electrical heaters that use a lot of juice. Again, this is where the green lobby extremists have hurt us by blunting the number of people who heat their homes with natural gas and other means. I live in West Virginia now with much colder winters than Memphis and I heat my 2 bedroom home with a single natural gas heater. My largest gas bill was $41 last winter, electric bills around $100. My mother was heating her brand new 3 bedroom house in Mississippi and paying out $250- $350 dollar electrical bills because of her electric central heater.

But again.....they have the ability to handle the grid demands. They can't because of caps and regulations on coal and other fossil fuels and over reliance on renewables.

And they are going to use this as an excuse to tighten control even more over peoples choices of how they heat and cool their homes and how much they can heat and cool their homes. As well and more and more regulations on how the home is built and winterized, what kinds of materials you can use, how much they cost, etc.

Its a massive reach of power and control that most people do not yet realize.

(12-24-2022 08:05 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Ours just went our for about 10 minutes. Man, we are a fragile species. If the vast majority of us was to suddenly and permanently - or even just for an extended period - lose power we'd likely end up dead after suffering immensely.

Like the idiots in Texas last year when they had the week of cold and people were dying. Someone was suing Texas because one of their children died... How the hell do you let your CHILD DIE? I would have started a fire in my backyard before I let my child freeze.

(12-25-2022 01:04 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 12:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How did they manage to keep the lights on during the spring summer and fall when AC is running nonstop?

Too many people relying on electrical heaters that use a lot of juice. Again, this is where the green lobby extremists have hurt us by blunting the number of people who heat their homes with natural gas and other means. I live in West Virginia now with much colder winters than Memphis and I heat my 2 bedroom home with a single natural gas heater. My largest gas bill was $41 last winter, electric bills around $100. My mother was heating her brand new 3 bedroom house in Mississippi and paying out $250- $350 dollar electrical bills because of her electric central heater.

But again.....they have the ability to handle the grid demands. They can't because of caps and regulations on coal and other fossil fuels and over reliance on renewables.

And they are going to use this as an excuse to tighten control even more over peoples choices of how they heat and cool their homes and how much they can heat and cool their homes. As well and more and more regulations on how the home is built and winterized, what kinds of materials you can use, how much they cost, etc.

Its a massive reach of power and control that most people do not yet realize.

renewables(not including hydro) account for about 3% of TVA's generation so that pig isn't going to fly in this case.

Both generators at the Cumberland plant failed and serveral more natural gas facilities had to shut down due to equipment failures. Combine that with Friday & Saturday they were seeing a 35% increase over a normal winter day there was nothing they could do. Why those generators failed due to wind and cold weather should be addressed.

Link

(12-25-2022 01:36 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:04 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 12:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How did they manage to keep the lights on during the spring summer and fall when AC is running nonstop?

Too many people relying on electrical heaters that use a lot of juice. Again, this is where the green lobby extremists have hurt us by blunting the number of people who heat their homes with natural gas and other means. I live in West Virginia now with much colder winters than Memphis and I heat my 2 bedroom home with a single natural gas heater. My largest gas bill was $41 last winter, electric bills around $100. My mother was heating her brand new 3 bedroom house in Mississippi and paying out $250- $350 dollar electrical bills because of her electric central heater.

But again.....they have the ability to handle the grid demands. They can't because of caps and regulations on coal and other fossil fuels and over reliance on renewables.

And they are going to use this as an excuse to tighten control even more over peoples choices of how they heat and cool their homes and how much they can heat and cool their homes. As well and more and more regulations on how the home is built and winterized, what kinds of materials you can use, how much they cost, etc.

Its a massive reach of power and control that most people do not yet realize.

renewables(not including hydro) account for about 3% of TVA's generation so that pig isn't going to fly in this case.

Both generators at the Cumberland plant failed and serveral more natural gas facilities had to shut down due to equipment failures. Combine that with Friday & Saturday they were seeing a 35% increase over a normal winter day there was nothing they could do. Why those generators failed due to wind and cold weather should be addressed.

Link

Sounds like they werent allowed to prestart the coal and natural gas plants early enough.

(12-25-2022 01:36 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:04 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 12:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How did they manage to keep the lights on during the spring summer and fall when AC is running nonstop?

Too many people relying on electrical heaters that use a lot of juice. Again, this is where the green lobby extremists have hurt us by blunting the number of people who heat their homes with natural gas and other means. I live in West Virginia now with much colder winters than Memphis and I heat my 2 bedroom home with a single natural gas heater. My largest gas bill was $41 last winter, electric bills around $100. My mother was heating her brand new 3 bedroom house in Mississippi and paying out $250- $350 dollar electrical bills because of her electric central heater.

But again.....they have the ability to handle the grid demands. They can't because of caps and regulations on coal and other fossil fuels and over reliance on renewables.

And they are going to use this as an excuse to tighten control even more over peoples choices of how they heat and cool their homes and how much they can heat and cool their homes. As well and more and more regulations on how the home is built and winterized, what kinds of materials you can use, how much they cost, etc.

Its a massive reach of power and control that most people do not yet realize.

renewables(not including hydro) account for about 3% of TVA's generation so that pig isn't going to fly in this case.

Both generators at the Cumberland plant failed and serveral more natural gas facilities had to shut down due to equipment failures. Combine that with Friday & Saturday they were seeing a 35% increase over a normal winter day there was nothing they could do. Why those generators failed due to wind and cold weather should be addressed.

Link

Chattanoga is not Memphis you clown, nor is it California, or Texas or Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia or Washington, D.C. or countless other palaces across the country that are suddenly unable to keep up with demand because of the shutting down of the coal industry and the war on fossil fuels. I guess you think the Chattanooga issue also explains what is happening in the EU, Europe, Southern Africa and dozens of other places around the world that have massively insane caps and regulations on fossil fuels now.

Don't be such a simple cuck on this issue.

(12-26-2022 02:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:36 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:04 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 12:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How did they manage to keep the lights on during the spring summer and fall when AC is running nonstop?

Too many people relying on electrical heaters that use a lot of juice. Again, this is where the green lobby extremists have hurt us by blunting the number of people who heat their homes with natural gas and other means. I live in West Virginia now with much colder winters than Memphis and I heat my 2 bedroom home with a single natural gas heater. My largest gas bill was $41 last winter, electric bills around $100. My mother was heating her brand new 3 bedroom house in Mississippi and paying out $250- $350 dollar electrical bills because of her electric central heater.

But again.....they have the ability to handle the grid demands. They can't because of caps and regulations on coal and other fossil fuels and over reliance on renewables.

And they are going to use this as an excuse to tighten control even more over peoples choices of how they heat and cool their homes and how much they can heat and cool their homes. As well and more and more regulations on how the home is built and winterized, what kinds of materials you can use, how much they cost, etc.

Its a massive reach of power and control that most people do not yet realize.

renewables(not including hydro) account for about 3% of TVA's generation so that pig isn't going to fly in this case.

Both generators at the Cumberland plant failed and serveral more natural gas facilities had to shut down due to equipment failures. Combine that with Friday & Saturday they were seeing a 35% increase over a normal winter day there was nothing they could do. Why those generators failed due to wind and cold weather should be addressed.

Link

Chattanoga is not Memphis you clown, nor is it California, or Texas or Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia or Washington, D.C. or countless other palaces across the country that are suddenly unable to keep up with demand because of the shutting down of the coal industry and the war on fossil fuels. I guess you think the Chattanooga issue also explains what is happening in the EU, Europe, Southern Africa and dozens of other places around the world that have massively insane caps and regulations on fossil fuels now.

Don't be such a simple cuck on this issue.

Read the title of the thread, and look at this map.



Had the title of the thread been world wide rolling black out and why leftist don't understand why they are happening I could understand your rambling response.

Don't be such a cuck for shoving "dat evil green EnErGy!" argument into every conversation when it does not necessarily apply.

(12-26-2022 08:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 02:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:36 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:04 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 12:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How did they manage to keep the lights on during the spring summer and fall when AC is running nonstop?

Too many people relying on electrical heaters that use a lot of juice. Again, this is where the green lobby extremists have hurt us by blunting the number of people who heat their homes with natural gas and other means. I live in West Virginia now with much colder winters than Memphis and I heat my 2 bedroom home with a single natural gas heater. My largest gas bill was $41 last winter, electric bills around $100. My mother was heating her brand new 3 bedroom house in Mississippi and paying out $250- $350 dollar electrical bills because of her electric central heater.

But again.....they have the ability to handle the grid demands. They can't because of caps and regulations on coal and other fossil fuels and over reliance on renewables.

And they are going to use this as an excuse to tighten control even more over peoples choices of how they heat and cool their homes and how much they can heat and cool their homes. As well and more and more regulations on how the home is built and winterized, what kinds of materials you can use, how much they cost, etc.

Its a massive reach of power and control that most people do not yet realize.

renewables(not including hydro) account for about 3% of TVA's generation so that pig isn't going to fly in this case.

Both generators at the Cumberland plant failed and serveral more natural gas facilities had to shut down due to equipment failures. Combine that with Friday & Saturday they were seeing a 35% increase over a normal winter day there was nothing they could do. Why those generators failed due to wind and cold weather should be addressed.

Link

Chattanoga is not Memphis you clown, nor is it California, or Texas or Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia or Washington, D.C. or countless other palaces across the country that are suddenly unable to keep up with demand because of the shutting down of the coal industry and the war on fossil fuels. I guess you think the Chattanooga issue also explains what is happening in the EU, Europe, Southern Africa and dozens of other places around the world that have massively insane caps and regulations on fossil fuels now.

Don't be such a simple cuck on this issue.

Read the title of the thread, and look at this map.



Had the title of the thread been world wide rolling black out and why leftist don't understand why they are happening I could understand your rambling response.

Don't be such a cuck for shoving "dat evil green EnErGy!" argument into every conversation when it does not necessarily apply.

It does apply. Part of the green energy movement is how the feds PROHIBIT the use of coal and natural gas backup generation plants without fed authorization.

This is likely a case similar to Texas, where the feds acted too late in authorizing the prestart of the backup generators. You cant just turn the switch on at these plants and all is good. And the later you wait (ie the colder it gets) the longer it takes to prestart and the more power they themselves require to prestart. You have to prestart these plants early enough before the extreme low temps hit, before your grid no longer has enough power to supply power to everything it was already supplying, plus handle the higher demand due to temps falling, plus handle the additional demand of the backup plants prestarting.

Why the feds keep getting caught with their pants down on this is beyond me. But we literally need to write a law which allows the prestart of these backup generators without fed approval under certain conditions. WHen life is on the line, you shouldnt have to depend on some DC swamp bureaucrat interrupting their dinner party to send an authorization in a timely manner. Because they have proven time and again they wont.

(12-26-2022 09:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 08:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 02:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:36 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:04 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Too many people relying on electrical heaters that use a lot of juice. Again, this is where the green lobby extremists have hurt us by blunting the number of people who heat their homes with natural gas and other means. I live in West Virginia now with much colder winters than Memphis and I heat my 2 bedroom home with a single natural gas heater. My largest gas bill was $41 last winter, electric bills around $100. My mother was heating her brand new 3 bedroom house in Mississippi and paying out $250- $350 dollar electrical bills because of her electric central heater.

But again.....they have the ability to handle the grid demands. They can't because of caps and regulations on coal and other fossil fuels and over reliance on renewables.

And they are going to use this as an excuse to tighten control even more over peoples choices of how they heat and cool their homes and how much they can heat and cool their homes. As well and more and more regulations on how the home is built and winterized, what kinds of materials you can use, how much they cost, etc.

Its a massive reach of power and control that most people do not yet realize.

renewables(not including hydro) account for about 3% of TVA's generation so that pig isn't going to fly in this case.

Both generators at the Cumberland plant failed and serveral more natural gas facilities had to shut down due to equipment failures. Combine that with Friday & Saturday they were seeing a 35% increase over a normal winter day there was nothing they could do. Why those generators failed due to wind and cold weather should be addressed.

Link

Chattanoga is not Memphis you clown, nor is it California, or Texas or Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia or Washington, D.C. or countless other palaces across the country that are suddenly unable to keep up with demand because of the shutting down of the coal industry and the war on fossil fuels. I guess you think the Chattanooga issue also explains what is happening in the EU, Europe, Southern Africa and dozens of other places around the world that have massively insane caps and regulations on fossil fuels now.

Don't be such a simple cuck on this issue.

Read the title of the thread, and look at this map.



Had the title of the thread been world wide rolling black out and why leftist don't understand why they are happening I could understand your rambling response.

Don't be such a cuck for shoving "dat evil green EnErGy!" argument into every conversation when it does not necessarily apply.

It does apply. Part of the green energy movement is how the feds PROHIBIT the use of coal and natural gas backup generation plants without fed authorization.

This is likely a case similar to Texas, where the feds acted too late in authorizing the prestart of the backup generators. You cant just turn the switch on at these plants and all is good. And the later you wait (ie the colder it gets) the longer it takes to prestart and the more power they themselves require to prestart. You have to prestart these plants early enough before the extreme low temps hit, before your grid no longer has enough power to supply power to everything it was already supplying, plus handle the higher demand due to temps falling, plus handle the additional demand of the backup plants prestarting.

Why the feds keep getting caught with their pants down on this is beyond me. But we literally need to write a law which allows the prestart of these backup generators without fed approval under certain conditions. WHen life is on the line, you shouldnt have to depend on some DC swamp bureaucrat interrupting their dinner party to send an authorization in a timely manner. Because they have proven time and again they wont.

Fair. The TVA president has promised an investigation into what happen and I pray it is nothing that stupid. The cumberland facility is responsible for the largest amount of coal wattage and isn't a backup facility. That going down probably accounts for the largest part of what happened.

(12-26-2022 09:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 08:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 02:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:36 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:04 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Too many people relying on electrical heaters that use a lot of juice. Again, this is where the green lobby extremists have hurt us by blunting the number of people who heat their homes with natural gas and other means. I live in West Virginia now with much colder winters than Memphis and I heat my 2 bedroom home with a single natural gas heater. My largest gas bill was $41 last winter, electric bills around $100. My mother was heating her brand new 3 bedroom house in Mississippi and paying out $250- $350 dollar electrical bills because of her electric central heater.

But again.....they have the ability to handle the grid demands. They can't because of caps and regulations on coal and other fossil fuels and over reliance on renewables.

And they are going to use this as an excuse to tighten control even more over peoples choices of how they heat and cool their homes and how much they can heat and cool their homes. As well and more and more regulations on how the home is built and winterized, what kinds of materials you can use, how much they cost, etc.

Its a massive reach of power and control that most people do not yet realize.

renewables(not including hydro) account for about 3% of TVA's generation so that pig isn't going to fly in this case.

Both generators at the Cumberland plant failed and serveral more natural gas facilities had to shut down due to equipment failures. Combine that with Friday & Saturday they were seeing a 35% increase over a normal winter day there was nothing they could do. Why those generators failed due to wind and cold weather should be addressed.

Link

Chattanoga is not Memphis you clown, nor is it California, or Texas or Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia or Washington, D.C. or countless other palaces across the country that are suddenly unable to keep up with demand because of the shutting down of the coal industry and the war on fossil fuels. I guess you think the Chattanooga issue also explains what is happening in the EU, Europe, Southern Africa and dozens of other places around the world that have massively insane caps and regulations on fossil fuels now.

Don't be such a simple cuck on this issue.

Read the title of the thread, and look at this map.



Had the title of the thread been world wide rolling black out and why leftist don't understand why they are happening I could understand your rambling response.

Don't be such a cuck for shoving "dat evil green EnErGy!" argument into every conversation when it does not necessarily apply.

It does apply. Part of the green energy movement is how the feds PROHIBIT the use of coal and natural gas backup generation plants without fed authorization.

This is likely a case similar to Texas, where the feds acted too late in authorizing the prestart of the backup generators. You cant just turn the switch on at these plants and all is good. And the later you wait (ie the colder it gets) the longer it takes to prestart and the more power they themselves require to prestart. You have to prestart these plants early enough before the extreme low temps hit, before your grid no longer has enough power to supply power to everything it was already supplying, plus handle the higher demand due to temps falling, plus handle the additional demand of the backup plants prestarting.

Why the feds keep getting caught with their pants down on this is beyond me. But we literally need to write a law which allows the prestart of these backup generators without fed approval under certain conditions. WHen life is on the line, you shouldnt have to depend on some DC swamp bureaucrat interrupting their dinner party to send an authorization in a timely manner. Because they have proven time and again they wont.

Fair. The TVA president has promised an investigation into what happen and I pray it is nothing that stupid. The cumberland facility is responsible for the largest amount of coal wattage in the entire TVA grid and isn't a backup facility. That going down probably accounts for the largest part of what happened. Side note, that facility is being converted to a natural gas facility instead of being shut down so some common sense is prevailing

(12-26-2022 12:26 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 09:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 08:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 02:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 01:36 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  renewables(not including hydro) account for about 3% of TVA's generation so that pig isn't going to fly in this case.

Both generators at the Cumberland plant failed and serveral more natural gas facilities had to shut down due to equipment failures. Combine that with Friday & Saturday they were seeing a 35% increase over a normal winter day there was nothing they could do. Why those generators failed due to wind and cold weather should be addressed.

Link

Chattanoga is not Memphis you clown, nor is it California, or Texas or Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia or Washington, D.C. or countless other palaces across the country that are suddenly unable to keep up with demand because of the shutting down of the coal industry and the war on fossil fuels. I guess you think the Chattanooga issue also explains what is happening in the EU, Europe, Southern Africa and dozens of other places around the world that have massively insane caps and regulations on fossil fuels now.

Don't be such a simple cuck on this issue.

Read the title of the thread, and look at this map.



Had the title of the thread been world wide rolling black out and why leftist don't understand why they are happening I could understand your rambling response.

Don't be such a cuck for shoving "dat evil green EnErGy!" argument into every conversation when it does not necessarily apply.

It does apply. Part of the green energy movement is how the feds PROHIBIT the use of coal and natural gas backup generation plants without fed authorization.

This is likely a case similar to Texas, where the feds acted too late in authorizing the prestart of the backup generators. You cant just turn the switch on at these plants and all is good. And the later you wait (ie the colder it gets) the longer it takes to prestart and the more power they themselves require to prestart. You have to prestart these plants early enough before the extreme low temps hit, before your grid no longer has enough power to supply power to everything it was already supplying, plus handle the higher demand due to temps falling, plus handle the additional demand of the backup plants prestarting.

Why the feds keep getting caught with their pants down on this is beyond me. But we literally need to write a law which allows the prestart of these backup generators without fed approval under certain conditions. WHen life is on the line, you shouldnt have to depend on some DC swamp bureaucrat interrupting their dinner party to send an authorization in a timely manner. Because they have proven time and again they wont.

Fair. The TVA president has promised an investigation into what happen and I pray it is nothing that stupid. The cumberland facility is responsible for the largest amount of coal wattage in the entire TVA grid and isn't a backup facility. That going down probably accounts for the largest part of what happened. Side note, that facility is being converted to a natural gas facility instead of being shut down so some common sense is prevailing

I've been reading on it. They have been vague, but have said some stuff that we can start to put together a picture of what may have happened.

1. They did admit the natural gas generating plants used for standby power were offline because they were frozen. That means that the order to prestart them came too late. Being in east TN, these plants would not have been frozen until after the spike in power use from west and middle TN had already occurred.

2. The reason two coal fired generators went down (and you correctly pointed out these werent standy) need to be investigated as to why they went down. I suspect they may have went down due to a large surge in demand when the storm hit the Memphis metroplex, as it sounds like they went down PRIOR to the cold weather hitting the cumberland region. They were also back online in relatively short order, making it sound even more like the generators auto-shut off due to overdemand. ( A condition which causes the generators to spin slightly slower, which will damage the generators if this condition lasts longer than a few minutes. )

So, it simply sounds like they were too slow to get the standby generators online, had a spike in power usage that knocked a couple of coal generators offline temporarily, and even though they got them online quickly, they no longer had enough extra power to prestart the natural gas standby generator systems.

Unfortunately, the feds and tva will likely report that fossil fuel generators are unreliable. Which one can point over the stateline in Arkansas and see how that wasnt the case. AR gets about 1/3'rd of their power from coal, a third from natural gas, and 22% from nuclear. No rolling blackouts. No issues with the grid. If these systems are up and running, there arent any issues. If they arent up and running, you need time to get them prestarted before demand causes the grid to get unstable.