(12-22-2022 02:23 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Buffalo signed Mr. Football in Ohio.

And he isn't even a top 50 recruit in Ohio.

https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Footba...l&State=OH

(12-22-2022 03:11 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 02:23 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Buffalo signed Mr. Football in Ohio.

And he isn't even a top 50 recruit in Ohio.

https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Footba...l&State=OH

Seems an insane little knack of the recruiting game. Hoban is hardly an under the radar program. He's smallish I believe, which no one with any sense, believes reflects a lack of athletic ability. He torched a very athletic Central Catholic. Seemed to hold his own on hits and tackles and was the only reason Hoban was even in the game. He should be a good pick-up for Buffalo. Love it when UToledo finds these kids, locally. The kid out of Springfield comes to mind.

(12-22-2022 03:34 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 03:11 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 02:23 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Buffalo signed Mr. Football in Ohio.

And he isn't even a top 50 recruit in Ohio.

https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Footba...l&State=OH

Seems an insane little knack of the recruiting game. Hoban is hardly an under the radar program. He's smallish I believe, which no one with any sense, believes reflects a lack of athletic ability. He torched a very athletic Central Catholic. Seemed to hold his own on hits and tackles and was the only reason Hoban was even in the game. He should be a good pick-up for Buffalo. Love it when UToledo finds these kids, locally. The kid out of Springfield comes to mind.

Sperling is relatively small for a modern RB and not particularly fast for the position either.

There have been a few Mr. Footballs in the last decade or so that have been similarly stat-centric guys without elite physical tools. Erick Howard, Bart Tansky, Joey Baughman, and Keishaun Sims are the ones that stick out to me.

(12-22-2022 04:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 03:34 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 03:11 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 02:23 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Buffalo signed Mr. Football in Ohio.

And he isn't even a top 50 recruit in Ohio.

https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Footba...l&State=OH

Seems an insane little knack of the recruiting game. Hoban is hardly an under the radar program. He's smallish I believe, which no one with any sense, believes reflects a lack of athletic ability. He torched a very athletic Central Catholic. Seemed to hold his own on hits and tackles and was the only reason Hoban was even in the game. He should be a good pick-up for Buffalo. Love it when UToledo finds these kids, locally. The kid out of Springfield comes to mind.

Sperling is relatively small for a modern RB and not particularly fast for the position either.

There have been a few Mr. Footballs in the last decade or so that have been similarly stat-centric guys without elite physical tools. Erick Howard, Bart Tansky, Joey Baughman, and Keishaun Sims are the ones that stick out to me.

I didn't think him particularly fast either in the Central game. Quick but able to be caught. 324 yds against a line averagng 260lbs, a D1 recruit LB and D1 recruit safety, not to mention another LB most likely a D1 recruit in 2023 speaks some language.

UK must have seen something in Mr. Ohio football to offer, through no avail, he signed with UB. We all will have to follow his progress at UB to see if UT had made a mistake not offering him.

(12-22-2022 09:59 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  UK must have seen something in Mr. Ohio football to offer, through no avail, he signed with UB. We all will have to follow his progress at UB to see if UT had made a mistake not offering him.

The fact that UT didn't offer him is bizarre to me. Dude can flat out ball. Kentucky offered him right after his state championship loss. Buffalo got a good one.

(12-23-2022 12:03 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 09:59 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  UK must have seen something in Mr. Ohio football to offer, through no avail, he signed with UB. We all will have to follow his progress at UB to see if UT had made a mistake not offering him.

The fact that UT didn't offer him is bizarre to me. Dude can flat out ball. Kentucky offered him right after his state championship loss. Buffalo got a good one.

Would like to see another RB added.

With the early signing class there are now 7 RB's for 2023.
4 Jr's.
2 Soph
1 Fr

Let's not forget where some of them ranked nationally as RBs coming out of HS
Boone #26
Kelly #34
Constant#38
Shaw#59
Stuart #15 All Purpose Back

As far as speed, Stuart won the 100m in Florida and is a 10.4 guy.

(12-23-2022 12:03 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 09:59 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  UK must have seen something in Mr. Ohio football to offer, through no avail, he signed with UB. We all will have to follow his progress at UB to see if UT had made a mistake not offering him.

The fact that UT didn't offer him is bizarre to me. Dude can flat out ball. Kentucky offered him right after his state championship loss. Buffalo got a good one.

How is that bizarre? Maybe he didn’t want to come here, or a shocking thought of Toledo just didn’t recruit him. If he can flat out ball… he would be more sought after player, by any other school in the state.

(12-23-2022 10:28 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(12-23-2022 12:03 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(12-22-2022 09:59 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  UK must have seen something in Mr. Ohio football to offer, through no avail, he signed with UB. We all will have to follow his progress at UB to see if UT had made a mistake not offering him.

The fact that UT didn't offer him is bizarre to me. Dude can flat out ball. Kentucky offered him right after his state championship loss. Buffalo got a good one.

How is that bizarre? Maybe he didn’t want to come here, or a shocking thought of Toledo just didn’t recruit him. If he can flat out ball… he would be more sought after player, by any other school in the state.

"bizarre to me." And then in quite clear english explained why that is.

Potter senior (Ludwig) signs with Toledo

https://www.salemnews.net/sports/local-s...th-toledo/

(12-23-2022 04:28 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Potter senior (Ludwig) signs with Toledo

https://www.salemnews.net/sports/local-s...th-toledo/

If we lose Hallet, this could fall thru. OL played well vs. EMU, Ohio, and Liberty. All of those games we created holes, and had near 100 yard rushers. As a committee surpassed easily. Is it development or lack of skill?

(12-23-2022 05:15 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-23-2022 04:28 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Potter senior (Ludwig) signs with Toledo

https://www.salemnews.net/sports/local-s...th-toledo/

If we lose Hallet, this could fall thru. OL played well vs. EMU, Ohio, and Liberty. All of those games we created holes, and had near 100 yard rushers. As a committee surpassed easily. Is it development or lack of skill?

and he'd either stay with Toledo or go and new coach would bring in someone else. It should not have been how a coach was chosen last time and it shouldnt be how one is retained or chosen if a new one is sought.

The discussion has been thorough. Wins against EMU, Ohio (missing their primary talent), and Liberty (missing their coach and their motivation) are not game changers or decision makers for an AD (I would hope). None of those programs are strong. Those were expected wins. Bringing in EMU, Ohio and Liberty and not BG and WMU is cringy and disengenous. The embarrassing losses are a measure more than the wins.

(12-23-2022 06:21 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(12-23-2022 05:15 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-23-2022 04:28 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Potter senior (Ludwig) signs with Toledo

https://www.salemnews.net/sports/local-s...th-toledo/

If we lose Hallet, this could fall thru. OL played well vs. EMU, Ohio, and Liberty. All of those games we created holes, and had near 100 yard rushers. As a committee surpassed easily. Is it development or lack of skill?

and he'd either stay with Toledo or go and new coach would bring in someone else. It should not have been how a coach was chosen last time and it shouldnt be how one is retained or chosen if a new one is sought.

The discussion has been thorough. Wins against EMU, Ohio (missing their primary talent), and Liberty (missing their coach and their motivation) are not game changers or decision makers for an AD (I would hope). None of those programs are strong. Those were expected wins. Bringing in EMU, Ohio and Liberty and not BG and WMU is cringy and disengenous. The embarrassing losses are a measure more than the wins.

Disagree. 9-4 EMU beat 8 win MWC SJSU squad and P5 Arizona State. They had a great rb and a staff in tact at the time of the win. Not a NW caliber P5 which Miami beat.

BG and Ohio could win their bowl games making them 7 and 10 win squads respectively. Losing to a 7-5 team who is your rival sucks a lot but is a frequent happen in CFB. Edpecially when their QB was healthy. We had 1 healthy hand of the 4 which won us our 9 games. Ohio and Liberty were limpers. But what the staff is paid to do, beat them with the MOST on the line.

Once again, paying a coach 88th overall of 131, with 92nd talent composite per 247 should not be expected to be 13-1. You'll lose some and win some to teams around your range. Oregon lost to Oregon State. Clemson lost to South Carolina. Embarrassing but common.

(12-23-2022 07:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-23-2022 06:21 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(12-23-2022 05:15 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-23-2022 04:28 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Potter senior (Ludwig) signs with Toledo

https://www.salemnews.net/sports/local-s...th-toledo/

If we lose Hallet, this could fall thru. OL played well vs. EMU, Ohio, and Liberty. All of those games we created holes, and had near 100 yard rushers. As a committee surpassed easily. Is it development or lack of skill?

and he'd either stay with Toledo or go and new coach would bring in someone else. It should not have been how a coach was chosen last time and it shouldnt be how one is retained or chosen if a new one is sought.

The discussion has been thorough. Wins against EMU, Ohio (missing their primary talent), and Liberty (missing their coach and their motivation) are not game changers or decision makers for an AD (I would hope). None of those programs are strong. Those were expected wins. Bringing in EMU, Ohio and Liberty and not BG and WMU is cringy and disengenous. The embarrassing losses are a measure more than the wins.

Disagree. 9-4 EMU beat 8 win MWC SJSU squad and P5 Arizona State. They had a great rb and a staff in tact at the time of the win. Not a NW caliber P5 which Miami beat.

BG and Ohio could win their bowl games making them 7 and 10 win squads respectively. Losing to a 7-5 team who is your rival sucks a lot but is a frequent happen in CFB. Edpecially when their QB was healthy. We had 1 healthy hand of the 4 which won us our 9 games. Ohio and Liberty were limpers. But what the staff is paid to do, beat them with the MOST on the line.

Once again, paying a coach 88th overall of 131, with 92nd talent composite per 247 should not be expected to be 13-1. You'll lose some and win some to teams around your range. Oregon lost to Oregon State. Clemson lost to South Carolina. Embarrassing but common.

WMU was so impressed with their win over Toledo they fired their coach. /s

The current coach isn't sometimes losing. He's nearly always losing to winning programs. Losing to winning MAC programs. No MACC is going to mean a thing sitting on the couch next to a recruit. Recruiting competitors are able to sit across from a recruit and tell them Toledo can't beat even a modest program from the lowest conference. A change in coach would not be a huge leap of logic. A lame-duck coach would not be a huge leap of logic and would be the smarter choice to at least keep some continuity. Candle does not appear to be marketable. He's not from any coaching tree that he can parly as the guy WMU hired was able. He's not shown growth as a HC, he needs to go out in the world and get that experience. There is no reason to pay him what no one else will, let alone give him a contract no one else will. The university's facilities will sell themself. Sometimes, it's just time to cut bait. When the coach has had as many years as Candle and has not shown the ability to raise the program, that is the time. HIs being ask to move on would not be a drama. It might even be better for both parties. If the AD wanted to back-track that contract to something more modest, 500-700K, that would not be a controversy. It would be normal for any executive not performing and not raising the profile. Regardless, that is a year away decision, right?

I have a different opinion than many on this board. I think Coach Candle should be paid more after winning the MAC and bowl game. I think he should also get an extension. I think this will raise the program and solidify recruits. I think it will send a great message to potential recruits that Candle is going to be here for a while. I’m as disappointed as all on this board about the dumb losses- SDSU, Buffalo, BG and WMU, but getting the MACC and bowl win have eased my frustration. I think Coach has learned from this year, and next year will be amazing! We need to pay our coaches a lot if we want to get to the next level. Good reality check that was pointed out about the salary of our coach VS all in D1. We need to stop complaining about his salary, because it is very low comparatively in FBS football.

Go Rockets!!! MAC Champs!!!

(12-23-2022 07:56 PM)Rocket Man Wrote:  I have a different opinion than many on this board. I think Coach Candle should be paid more after winning the MAC and bowl game. I think he should also get an extension. I think this will raise the program and solidify recruits. I think it will send a great message to potential recruits that Candle is going to be here for a while. I’m as disappointed as all on this board about the dumb losses- SDSU, Buffalo, BG and WMU, but getting the MACC and bowl win have eased my frustration. I think Coach has learned from this year, and next year will be amazing! We need to pay our coaches a lot if we want to get to the next level. Good reality check that was pointed out about the salary of our coach VS all in D1. We need to stop complaining about his salary, because it is very low comparatively in FBS football.

Go Rockets!!! MAC Champs!!!

Ohio was terrible and that Liberty QB really stunk.

(12-23-2022 07:56 PM)Rocket Man Wrote:  I have a different opinion than many on this board. I think Coach Candle should be paid more after winning the MAC and bowl game. I think he should also get an extension. I think this will raise the program and solidify recruits. I think it will send a great message to potential recruits that Candle is going to be here for a while. I’m as disappointed as all on this board about the dumb losses- SDSU, Buffalo, BG and WMU, but getting the MACC and bowl win have eased my frustration. I think Coach has learned from this year, and next year will be amazing! We need to pay our coaches a lot if we want to get to the next level. Good reality check that was pointed out about the salary of our coach VS all in D1. We need to stop complaining about his salary, because it is very low comparatively in FBS football.

Go Rockets!!! MAC Champs!!!

I share your opinion.

(12-23-2022 08:27 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-23-2022 07:56 PM)Rocket Man Wrote:  I have a different opinion than many on this board. I think Coach Candle should be paid more after winning the MAC and bowl game. I think he should also get an extension. I think this will raise the program and solidify recruits. I think it will send a great message to potential recruits that Candle is going to be here for a while. I’m as disappointed as all on this board about the dumb losses- SDSU, Buffalo, BG and WMU, but getting the MACC and bowl win have eased my frustration. I think Coach has learned from this year, and next year will be amazing! We need to pay our coaches a lot if we want to get to the next level. Good reality check that was pointed out about the salary of our coach VS all in D1. We need to stop complaining about his salary, because it is very low comparatively in FBS football.

Go Rockets!!! MAC Champs!!!

Ohio was terrible and that Liberty QB really stunk.

Rocket Man gave a well thought out position. I personally don't agree with the idea of a bidding war.

Even WMU with its VERY deep pockets only went $800K. This to a guy with a whole lot higher experience than Candle had when he was given over a million. $50K for a MACC shows that doesn't really have a lot of value. The thing that WMU coach has over Candle is experience under high performing P5 coaches. Something Candle needs. It makes no sense to continue to be extorted by O'Brien's mistake or fear of losing recruits. Recruits will come with a good coaching hire.

A coach IMO can be paid on potential (which he really didn't have), the first time. After that it has to be on performance. If the goal is to save the program as many of the MAC conference members continue to fall off the deep end, this coach has had his chance and didn't do it. Paying him more will not make him better improve the program. It will make the program look like they don't know what they're doing.

The reality I feel, if becoming a good HC is his goal, it's not going to happen here. He needs to see how successfull people do it as a coordinator at a P5. He was gifted a very unusual path to a D1 HC position and it's not working. It's probably better for both parties if he moves on, hopefully after a lame-duck or easy buy-out to give the university the proper time to search and hire.

(12-23-2022 08:27 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(12-23-2022 07:56 PM)Rocket Man Wrote:  I have a different opinion than many on this board. I think Coach Candle should be paid more after winning the MAC and bowl game. I think he should also get an extension. I think this will raise the program and solidify recruits. I think it will send a great message to potential recruits that Candle is going to be here for a while. I’m as disappointed as all on this board about the dumb losses- SDSU, Buffalo, BG and WMU, but getting the MACC and bowl win have eased my frustration. I think Coach has learned from this year, and next year will be amazing! We need to pay our coaches a lot if we want to get to the next level. Good reality check that was pointed out about the salary of our coach VS all in D1. We need to stop complaining about his salary, because it is very low comparatively in FBS football.

Go Rockets!!! MAC Champs!!!

Ohio was terrible and that Liberty QB really stunk.

Salter:
Passing 12/20 84 yds 1 TD 0 Int.
Rushing 10 Att 63 yds 0 TD

Finn:
Passing 16/24 133 yds 1 TD 0 Int
Rushing 17 Att 23 yds 1 TD