I still have a feeling GSU is at least in the top 200 (for whatever that's worth), but we've earned the low rankings. I'd put money on rising in these during conference play, but it's a shame we haven't done more OOC.

(12-05-2022 11:27 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I guess I will say it...

The rankings seem fairly decent except the top 3. RPI is really silly and to some extent Net is slightly less silly.

Southern Miss has 2 good wins on the season and a bad loss. That probably puts them in the top 100 range, but 31? Come on.

JMUs best win is against 142 (kenpom) South Dakota State on a neutral floor. They have a loss to Valpo (272). Maybe borderline top 100 but certainly not top 50.

Marshall is tough to judge until they play some decent competition (Akron was a decent win).

I can undestand how, on the surface, losing to Northwestern State is a "bad loss"...but Northwestern State is 7-2. We lost on a buzzer beater to them at their place. They also beat #16 TCU at their place back on 11/14 and since then, they have won 6 games in a row. So, losing a buzzer beat to them at their place is not a bad loss when you dig deep. They'll be an NCAA tourney team.

(12-05-2022 11:27 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I guess I will say it...

The rankings seem fairly decent except the top 3. RPI is really silly and to some extent Net is slightly less silly.

Southern Miss has 2 good wins on the season and a bad loss. That probably puts them in the top 100 range, but 31? Come on.

JMUs best win is against 142 (kenpom) South Dakota State on a neutral floor. They have a loss to Valpo (272). Maybe borderline top 100 but certainly not top 50.

Marshall is tough to judge until they play some decent competition (Akron was a decent win).

Saying you only think only the power conferences should be in the top 50 without actually saying it.

Bad loss? The one loss is to a team that beat #15 in the nation TCU at their place. A TCU that is still ranked in the top 25 at #24. We lost by two points at their place without two of our starters. It's not a loss to a top 25 team, but no it is not a bad loss.

Also NET gives extra weight to playing on the road. Many people think these <strike>power</strike>money schools should be ranked high by playing nothing but cupcakes at their place. We have played a lot of good teams this year almost every single one usually wins their conference other than Vandy. We have played them all on neutral or away courts. We have had exactly one team at home that counts in the NET.

The NET was designed to be able to accurately predict win/loss. It is a very good ranking taking a large number of factors into account. Take anti Sunbelt bias elsewhere.

It doesn't help that UNC beat us and then crapped the bed. From #1 to unranked!

Our last, best hope for a quality OOC win is at Virginia tomorrow night. Then it's a steady diet of you schlubs for us the rest of the year. And by "schlub," I don't mean ODU. They're clearly jamokes.

Northwestern LA was a very good team. Losing at their place with them fired up to the max is not a bad loss at all. If you watched their coaches interview after the game you would know how fired up they were. He commented that they had just beaten a top 25 team and he wasn’t talking about TCU.

(12-05-2022 11:27 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I guess I will say it...

The rankings seem fairly decent except the top 3. RPI is really silly and to some extent Net is slightly less silly.

Southern Miss has 2 good wins on the season and a bad loss. That probably puts them in the top 100 range, but 31? Come on.

JMUs best win is against 142 (kenpom) South Dakota State on a neutral floor. They have a loss to Valpo (272). Maybe borderline top 100 but certainly not top 50.

Marshall is tough to judge until they play some decent competition (Akron was a decent win).

NW State is 111 in NET, which is currently better than all but four SBC programs.

(12-05-2022 09:40 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  The Sun Belt appears to be the 15th rated conference when you rank conferences by average NET. CUSA is 9 and AAC is 10th Here is how it looks for our teams:

31 - Southern Miss
40 - James Madison
60 - Marshall
89 - Louisiana
128 - Troy
140 - South Alabama
152 - Old Dominion
225 - Texas State
244 - App State
248 - Coastal Carolina
263 - Arkansas State
297 - Georgia State
314 - Georgia Southern
345 - ULM

(Edit: Sorry, originally had AAC 7th, but that is actually the ACC)

The first 7 are performing well.

The last 7... well...

(12-05-2022 12:56 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:27 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I guess I will say it...

The rankings seem fairly decent except the top 3. RPI is really silly and to some extent Net is slightly less silly.

Southern Miss has 2 good wins on the season and a bad loss. That probably puts them in the top 100 range, but 31? Come on.

JMUs best win is against 142 (kenpom) South Dakota State on a neutral floor. They have a loss to Valpo (272). Maybe borderline top 100 but certainly not top 50.

Marshall is tough to judge until they play some decent competition (Akron was a decent win).

I can undestand how, on the surface, losing to Northwestern State is a "bad loss"...but Northwestern State is 7-2. We lost on a buzzer beater to them at their place. They also beat #16 TCU at their place back on 11/14 and since then, they have won 6 games in a row. So, losing a buzzer beat to them at their place is not a bad loss when you dig deep. They'll be an NCAA tourney team.

Yes, they do have a good win against TCU and only 1 bad loss (illinois State), but they haven't beaten anyone besides TCU.

Im not saying Southern Miss shouldn't be among the highest in the conference, I think it is just silly that Net would have them 31.

(12-05-2022 01:02 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:27 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I guess I will say it...

The rankings seem fairly decent except the top 3. RPI is really silly and to some extent Net is slightly less silly.

Southern Miss has 2 good wins on the season and a bad loss. That probably puts them in the top 100 range, but 31? Come on.

JMUs best win is against 142 (kenpom) South Dakota State on a neutral floor. They have a loss to Valpo (272). Maybe borderline top 100 but certainly not top 50.

Marshall is tough to judge until they play some decent competition (Akron was a decent win).

Saying you only think only the power conferences should be in the top 50 without actually saying it.

Bad loss? The one loss is to a team that beat #15 in the nation TCU at their place. A TCU that is still ranked in the top 25 at #24. We lost by two points at their place without two of our starters. It's not a loss to a top 25 team, but no it is not a bad loss.

Also NET gives extra weight to playing on the road. Many people think these <strike>power</strike>money schools should be ranked high by playing nothing but cupcakes at their place. We have played a lot of good teams this year almost every single one usually wins their conference other than Vandy. We have played them all on neutral or away courts. We have had exactly one team at home that counts in the NET.

The NET was designed to be able to accurately predict win/loss. It is a very good ranking taking a large number of factors into account. Take anti Sunbelt bias elsewhere.

No, not at all. But, you have to have some meat on the bone to be a top 50 team. The majority of them will be the better teams....which obviously tend to be P5 schools.

There are probably a hand full of mids that really deserve to be top 50:

SD State, St Marys, UAB (maybe), St Louis, Utah State, Boise (maybe), Dayton (maybe)

Im not meaning to diss Southern Miss, per se, buy how can anyone look at their resume and say they should be top 50 or top 75?

(12-05-2022 02:35 PM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 11:27 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I guess I will say it...

The rankings seem fairly decent except the top 3. RPI is really silly and to some extent Net is slightly less silly.

Southern Miss has 2 good wins on the season and a bad loss. That probably puts them in the top 100 range, but 31? Come on.

JMUs best win is against 142 (kenpom) South Dakota State on a neutral floor. They have a loss to Valpo (272). Maybe borderline top 100 but certainly not top 50.

Marshall is tough to judge until they play some decent competition (Akron was a decent win).

NW State is 111 in NET, which is currently better than all but four SBC programs.

Well Net is kinda bunk, but the overlying point is that the Sun Belt is currently pretty weak in basketball (ODU, included). I think their are teams that are seriously attempting to improve the conference so that is a positive.

(12-05-2022 11:52 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  I still have a feeling GSU is at least in the top 200 (for whatever that's worth), but we've earned the low rankings. I'd put money on rising in these during conference play, but it's a shame we haven't done more OOC.

I think this is going to be a .500 rebuild season. Plenty of athleticism but lacking elite shooters and dependable rebounder. Really feeling the big hole left behind by Nsoseme in the paint.

Wait, didn’t the Sun Belt take the bottom feeders from that other place?

NET explained...

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men...-explained

(12-05-2022 04:54 PM)joeye04 Wrote:  Wait, didn’t the Sun Belt take the bottom feeders from that other place?

It's quite stunning. An earlier post in this thread I took the RPI and NET average, and yeah all four newcomers are in the top 5.

Led by quite the turnaround of Southern Miss.

I'll never forget Larry Eustachy being escorted off the court at a Southern Miss vs Marshall game. During peak Southern Miss basketball.

Time for a new peak my Southern Miss friends!

(12-05-2022 01:11 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  It doesn't help that UNC beat us and then crapped the bed. From #1 to unranked!

Our last, best hope for a quality OOC win is at Virginia tomorrow night. Then it's a steady diet of you schlubs for us the rest of the year. And by "schlub," I don't mean ODU. They're clearly jamokes.

It really sucks that our guys seemed to let the moment get to them so much early on, I really think that's a W if we just didn't take so long to settle in.

On another note:
JMU #40
VCU #116
GMCC #154
Richmond #179

I'm glad we don't have any of those bum ass, dog ****, might as well be D3 teams pulling down our strength of schedule.

(12-05-2022 04:57 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 04:54 PM)joeye04 Wrote:  Wait, didn’t the Sun Belt take the bottom feeders from that other place?

It's quite stunning. An earlier post in this thread I took the RPI and NET average, and yeah all four newcomers are in the top 5.

Led by quite the turnaround of Southern Miss.

I'll never forget Larry Eustachy being escorted off the court at a Southern Miss vs Marshall game. During peak Southern Miss basketball.

Time for a new peak my Southern Miss friends!

I have a deep-seated grudge for Marshall Basketball because of that night. I can pull for everything else Marshall, but I get a high blood pressure headache everytime I think about that game.

(12-05-2022 08:24 PM)Noodles Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 04:57 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 04:54 PM)joeye04 Wrote:  Wait, didn’t the Sun Belt take the bottom feeders from that other place?

It's quite stunning. An earlier post in this thread I took the RPI and NET average, and yeah all four newcomers are in the top 5.

Led by quite the turnaround of Southern Miss.

I'll never forget Larry Eustachy being escorted off the court at a Southern Miss vs Marshall game. During peak Southern Miss basketball.

Time for a new peak my Southern Miss friends!

I have a deep-seated grudge for Marshall Basketball because of that night. I can pull for everything else Marshall, but I get a high blood pressure headache everytime I think about that game.

Lol, why does it stick in our memory so much? It was such a defining game.

I can assure you, I was in attendance for that game, and a lot of the calls he was just getting way too heated over, it was kind of self-inflicted honestly. But y'all had some really good teams back then.

That, and the Donnie Jones UCF return to Huntington after he took the UCF job.

I f-ing told you the adds would help basketball. Everybody jumped my **** and linked last years aberration. Told me we'd be at the bottom and everybody was better than the previous CUSA schools. You mentioned where it would be without ULM. Now calculate it without the four new schools. No, I'm not being serious. I'm happy we can help.

It's split pretty well top 7, bottom 7. We should play each other 3 times within each group and really boost the top teams and get an extra bid. That's 6x3 for a total of 18. Perfect.

(12-05-2022 09:53 PM)MUther Wrote:  I f-ing told you the adds would help basketball. Everybody jumped my **** and linked last years aberration. Told me we'd be at the bottom and everybody was better than the previous CUSA schools. You mentioned where it would be without ULM. Now calculate it without the four new schools.

I posted this earlier...an average of both NET and RPI...it would be Louisiana and then a great divide....

Fun with numbers! Here is what you get when you average both the NET and RPI...aka the NERPIT...

This shows early on in this OOC season, the four new bloods have jolted a boost to our basketball profile.

35 Southern Miss
61 Louisiana
82 Marshall
105 JMU
128 ODU
136 South Alabama
140 Troy
214 Coastal Carolina
233 Texas State
259 App State
279 Georgia Southern
288 stAte
311 Georgia State
344 ULM

This is probably a good place to start the power rankings...

(12-05-2022 06:44 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 01:11 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  It doesn't help that UNC beat us and then crapped the bed. From #1 to unranked!

Our last, best hope for a quality OOC win is at Virginia tomorrow night. Then it's a steady diet of you schlubs for us the rest of the year. And by "schlub," I don't mean ODU. They're clearly jamokes.

It really sucks that our guys seemed to let the moment get to them so much early on, I really think that's a W if we just didn't take so long to settle in.

On another note:
JMU #40
VCU #116
GMCC #154
Richmond #179

I'm glad we don't have any of those bum ass, dog ****, might as well be D3 teams pulling down our strength of schedule.

You mean those guys who won't schedule us because we'll drag down their rankings, lol?