Seeding could get kind of hairy in the CFP. I was going back and retroactively trying to apply the 12 team CFP to prior seasons and there was several times where the seeding would have created a match up between conference mates. There was even a time where two Big 10 teams would have met in the opening round, with the winner advancing to play yet another Big 10 team.

Would it be beneficial to the CFP if they tweaked the seeding of the brackets to avoid this sort of thing?

I’m just curious as to what the rest of you think. Unless the two teams happen to be arch rivals (like Ohio St-Michigan) I think these intra-conference CFP games would be bad for ratings because the games would only catch the interest of one region of the country.

Georgia is playing Ohio State and TCU is playing Michigan. If UGA loses somehow and Michigan is one then OSU will be three. If UGA wins, OSU will be four.

I would tweek it to avoid same season rematches in the first round.

The “rule” I favor is no team is put in the same quadrant as the team they last played (whether Thanksgiving game or CCG).

Other than that, #2 and #3 ranked (not seeded) teams placed in opposite half of bracket as #1 ranked (not seeded) team.

Don’t want to see USC-Utah in the first round, but Tennessee-LSU is fine. It has been some weeks since that game and the team with fewer losses or h2h will be hosting.

If you start separating ALL in-conference pairs you will make unfair pairings on the other side of the bracket; and, not all conference pairings would be rematches anyway.

Congrats to TCU for getting this to OT and clinching it....

You can keep them at 3 regardless of outcome and avoid the rematch.

Oh, for this year? YES.

Last week was a great “The Game” but intersectional games are more compelling. While Georgia’s resume may be more impressive with a win over LSU, Michigan’s win over Top 4 Ohio State should earn them deference to play TCU.

(12-03-2022 03:22 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  Georgia is playing Ohio State and TCU is playing Michigan. If UGA loses somehow and Michigan is one then OSU will be three. If UGA wins, OSU will be four.

Take a look at the OP—I’m talking about the 12 team playoff, not the current 4 team bracket

(12-03-2022 03:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Seeding could get kind of hairy in the CFP. I was going back and retroactively trying to apply the 12 team CFP to prior seasons and there was several times where the seeding would have created a match up between conference mates. There was even a time where two Big 10 teams would have met in the opening round, with the winner advancing to play yet another Big 10 team.

Would it be beneficial to the CFP if they tweaked the seeding of the brackets to avoid this sort of thing?

I’m just curious as to what the rest of you think. Unless the two teams happen to be arch rivals (like Ohio St-Michigan) I think these intra-conference CFP games would be bad for ratings because the games would only catch the interest of one region of the country.

I don't think it should tweak 1st round matchups, unless it is a "tiebreaker". I do think there is a good argument for TCU over Ohio State, with their respective perfromances in their last game being the big one.

Should they? No. Will they? Yes.

A 12-team bracket is much more forgiving than a 4-team bracket when it comes to manipulating matchups.

TCU is not the #3 team in the country.

(12-03-2022 04:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 03:22 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  Georgia is playing Ohio State and TCU is playing Michigan. If UGA loses somehow and Michigan is one then OSU will be three. If UGA wins, OSU will be four.

Take a look at the OP—I’m talking about the 12 team playoff, not the current 4 team bracket

Missed this point- sorry. Still think it should be nothing more than a "tiebreaker". Giving one team an advantage with a higher seed just so a lower seed avoid a rematch seems unfair.

(12-03-2022 04:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 03:22 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  Georgia is playing Ohio State and TCU is playing Michigan. If UGA loses somehow and Michigan is one then OSU will be three. If UGA wins, OSU will be four.

Take a look at the OP—I’m talking about the 12 team playoff, not the current 4 team bracket

Well let me rephrase. They already do it in a 4 team CFP and in the NCAA tourney. Why wouldn't they do it in a 12 team playoff?

(12-03-2022 03:22 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I would tweek it to avoid same season rematches in the first round.

I would set it up so that the 9-12 teams can be flexed up to one spot to avoid a rematch. So say the #9 played #8, then #9 gets flexed to #10. However, if #9 played both #8 and #7, just leave them at #9.

For quarters and onward I'd say that you just play whatever your seed dictates. So if #1 played #8 earlier in the season, oh well, there might be a rematch.

LSU is getting hosed by Georiga right now. It is now 35 to 10 halftime.

(12-03-2022 05:02 PM)esayem Wrote:  Should they? No. Will they? Yes.

A 12-team bracket is much more forgiving than a 4-team bracket when it comes to manipulating matchups.

TCU is not the #3 team in the country.

There's clearly a very large gap right now between #2 and #3, but #3-#8 could all beat each other on any given day and frankly are all equally good (and somewhat equally flawed). In some order I'd rank them

tOSU
bama
tennessee
tcu
kstate
utah

tOSU and TCU have only 1 loss each so they backdoor into the 3 and 4 slots, bama and tennessee only have 2 losses so they get 5 and 6, and Kstate and Utah have 3 losses so they get 7-8. USC, PSU and Clemson are all clearly inferior to this group and are more comparable to Washington for the 9-12 slots.

(12-03-2022 06:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  LSU is getting hosed by Georiga right now. It is now 35 to 10 halftime.

I wonder if LSU loses by 50 if that pushes Tennessee back over bama?

I voted yes, but seeing others comments makes me want to qualify that. I don't think conference mates need to be avoided, but I'd avoid all rematches from earlier in the same season when possible. So this year for instance Georgia-Alabama would be fine, but Georgia-Oregon should be avoided.

(12-03-2022 06:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 05:02 PM)esayem Wrote:  Should they? No. Will they? Yes.

A 12-team bracket is much more forgiving than a 4-team bracket when it comes to manipulating matchups.

TCU is not the #3 team in the country.

There's clearly a very large gap right now between #2 and #3, but #3-#8 could all beat each other on any given day and frankly are all equally good (and somewhat equally flawed). In some order I'd rank them

tOSU
bama
tennessee
tcu
kstate
utah

tOSU and TCU have only 1 loss each so they backdoor into the 3 and 4 slots, bama and tennessee only have 2 losses so they get 5 and 6, and Kstate and Utah have 3 losses so they get 7-8. USC, PSU and Clemson are all clearly inferior to this group and are more comparable to Washington for the 9-12 slots.

This year, the old BCS 1 vs 2 system probably would have been ok.

For this year, I feel like #1 and #2 are pretty obvious for the committee; Georgia and Michigan. #3 and #4 are a little fuzzy and I think it will be hard for them to resist putting Ohio St in the Fiesta to face Michigan again in a rematch of the season’s most watched game. TCU’s win was close but I think it comes down to who did you beat and I think Ohio St wins that on resume.

The real focus of the thread was on when the playoff goes to 12. I don’t see them reseeding after the first round but I definitely see the teams who land seeds 9-12 not necessarily getting paired perfectly with 5-8 if it means facing a conference member.

(12-03-2022 07:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 06:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 05:02 PM)esayem Wrote:  Should they? No. Will they? Yes.

A 12-team bracket is much more forgiving than a 4-team bracket when it comes to manipulating matchups.

TCU is not the #3 team in the country.

There's clearly a very large gap right now between #2 and #3, but #3-#8 could all beat each other on any given day and frankly are all equally good (and somewhat equally flawed). In some order I'd rank them

tOSU
bama
tennessee
tcu
kstate
utah

tOSU and TCU have only 1 loss each so they backdoor into the 3 and 4 slots, bama and tennessee only have 2 losses so they get 5 and 6, and Kstate and Utah have 3 losses so they get 7-8. USC, PSU and Clemson are all clearly inferior to this group and are more comparable to Washington for the 9-12 slots.

This year, the old BCS 1 vs 2 system probably would have been ok.

I'd trust Quo to pick the top 2 this year.