(12-02-2022 09:37 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 03:23 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Football is largely a television show, so no, the venue doesn’t really matter.

It matters if you don't have the right infrastructure for the ESPN trucks.

There was a period of time in Memphis where the overhead camera could not be deployed for games due to the layout of the stadium.

We also had some electrical and networking upgrades done to the stadium a few years back.
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Having adequate facilities for an ESPN+ broadcast and having the facilities for a playoff game broadcast aren't exactly the same.

The Liberty Bowl is an irrelevant bowl

(12-02-2022 11:58 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:37 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 03:23 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Football is largely a television show, so no, the venue doesn’t really matter.

It matters if you don't have the right infrastructure for the ESPN trucks.

There was a period of time in Memphis where the overhead camera could not be deployed for games due to the layout of the stadium.

We also had some electrical and networking upgrades done to the stadium a few years back.
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Having adequate facilities for an ESPN+ broadcast and having the facilities for a playoff game broadcast aren't exactly the same.

The Liberty Bowl is an irrelevant bowl

But if Memphis gets a B12 bid in a couple of years and runs the table, a playoff game at the Liberty Bowl becomes a real thing.

(12-01-2022 01:30 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 01:24 PM)whittx Wrote:  Are there parades as tied to the bowls as the ToR parade us to the Rose Bowl in 2022?

Orange Bowl parade ended in 2002.

Cotton Bowl parade ended in 2010.

Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl still have parades.

And when parades end everywhere else on the planet, New Orleans itself will keep the tradition alive

Orange Bowl parade not being around is a travesty.

(12-01-2022 01:16 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Many of us grew up with the traditional "Big Four" bowl games in classic and traditional stadiums:









While the bowl venue in Pasadena remains in place, the Sugar (1975), Orange (1997*) and Cotton (2010) bowls have long since departed for more comfortable and profitable corporate NFL stadiums

When considering the historic "value" of bowl games in the modern CFB postseason environment and their place in it, do such venue changes matter?

And should they?

I might be in the minority here, but the only Bowl where the venue is significant is the Rose Bowl. It doesn’t register as odd to me that the other three games are played at NFL stadiums at all.

(12-03-2022 10:33 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I might be in the minority here, but the only Bowl where the venue is significant is the Rose Bowl. It doesn’t register as odd to me that the other three games are played at NFL stadiums at all.

Not a huge fan of the Cotton Bowl at Jerry World. Not one bit. Jerry has plenty of money.

The State Fair at the Cotton Bowl made that game feel so special.

(12-01-2022 01:30 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 01:24 PM)whittx Wrote:  Are there parades as tied to the bowls as the ToR parade us to the Rose Bowl in 2022?

Orange Bowl parade ended in 2002.

Cotton Bowl parade ended in 2010.

Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl still have parades.

And when parades end everywhere else on the planet, New Orleans itself will keep the tradition alive

Sounds like the Rose and Sugar Bowls should be permanent quarterfinals and rotate the rest. That or bring back the other 2 parades and give all 4 bowls permanent quarterfinals.

Moving the Motor City Bowl from Pontiac to Detroit was an upgrade all the way around.

(12-03-2022 10:44 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:33 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I might be in the minority here, but the only Bowl where the venue is significant is the Rose Bowl. It doesn’t register as odd to me that the other three games are played at NFL stadiums at all.

Not a huge fan of the Cotton Bowl at Jerry World. Not one bit. Jerry has plenty of money.

The State Fair at the Cotton Bowl made that game feel so special.

The State Fair is over long before the Cotton Bowl game is played.

(12-01-2022 01:16 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Many of us grew up with the traditional "Big Four" bowl games in classic and traditional stadiums:









While the bowl venue in Pasadena remains in place, the Sugar (1975), Orange (1997*) and Cotton (2010) bowls have long since departed for more comfortable and profitable corporate NFL stadiums

When considering the historic "value" of bowl games in the modern CFB postseason environment and their place in it, do such venue changes matter?

And should they?

Most who remember bowl games that way are in Nursing homes drooling over the butterscotch pudding. So no it doesn't matter.

(12-03-2022 10:44 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:33 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I might be in the minority here, but the only Bowl where the venue is significant is the Rose Bowl. It doesn’t register as odd to me that the other three games are played at NFL stadiums at all.

Not a huge fan of the Cotton Bowl at Jerry World. Not one bit. Jerry has plenty of money.

The State Fair at the Cotton Bowl made that game feel so special.

Completely agree.

(12-03-2022 10:44 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:33 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I might be in the minority here, but the only Bowl where the venue is significant is the Rose Bowl. It doesn’t register as odd to me that the other three games are played at NFL stadiums at all.

Not a huge fan of the Cotton Bowl at Jerry World. Not one bit. Jerry has plenty of money.

The State Fair at the Cotton Bowl made that game feel so special.

Agree. It's obviously about money, but feels a shame that Cotton Bowl sits there empty while the Cotton Bowl is played.

If your team is slated to play a bowl game in a cold weather city, I'd say it definitely matters.

(12-04-2022 09:49 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:44 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:33 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I might be in the minority here, but the only Bowl where the venue is significant is the Rose Bowl. It doesn’t register as odd to me that the other three games are played at NFL stadiums at all.

Not a huge fan of the Cotton Bowl at Jerry World. Not one bit. Jerry has plenty of money.

The State Fair at the Cotton Bowl made that game feel so special.

The State Fair is over long before the Cotton Bowl game is played.

The Cotton Bowl is part of the State Fair venue……. same difference.

(12-04-2022 11:13 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 09:49 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:44 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:33 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I might be in the minority here, but the only Bowl where the venue is significant is the Rose Bowl. It doesn’t register as odd to me that the other three games are played at NFL stadiums at all.

Not a huge fan of the Cotton Bowl at Jerry World. Not one bit. Jerry has plenty of money.

The State Fair at the Cotton Bowl made that game feel so special.

The State Fair is over long before the Cotton Bowl game is played.

The Cotton Bowl is part of the State Fair venue……. same difference.

It's pretty different with the state fair there in October, and not there in January.

(12-04-2022 11:25 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 11:13 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 09:49 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:44 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:33 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I might be in the minority here, but the only Bowl where the venue is significant is the Rose Bowl. It doesn’t register as odd to me that the other three games are played at NFL stadiums at all.

Not a huge fan of the Cotton Bowl at Jerry World. Not one bit. Jerry has plenty of money.

The State Fair at the Cotton Bowl made that game feel so special.

The State Fair is over long before the Cotton Bowl game is played.

The Cotton Bowl is part of the State Fair venue……. same difference.

It's pretty different with the state fair there in October, and not there in January.

Why are you concerned about stuff that doesn’t matter. It’s literally “Fair Park”.

(12-01-2022 02:09 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 01:47 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 01:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 01:16 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Many of us grew up with the traditional "Big Four" bowl games in classic and traditional stadiums:









While the bowl venue in Pasadena remains in place, the Sugar (1975), Orange (1997*) and Cotton (2010) bowls have long since departed for more comfortable and profitable corporate NFL stadiums

When considering the historic "value" of bowl games in the modern CFB postseason environment and their place in it, do such venue changes matter?

And should they?

It matters to the local Chamber of Commerce. To college football not so much. One of these days people are going to figure out that more money can be made with games at the Big House, the Horseshoe, Baton Rouge, College Station, Neyland, Bryant Denny, or anywhere 100,000 adoring fans can find a seat. And that's usually not in a 60,000 seat pro venue. The College Gameday environment is special because it is on a campus. The 100,000 seat stadia are special because it opens the door to 40,000 more fans who may wish to attend.

I agree with a lot of this... but let's not loop in Jerry World with the Rose Bowl in terms of a venue. The Rose Bowl specifically IS that type of historic college stadium that you're speaking of here (90,000-plus seats in a stadium built 100 years ago in a way that couldn't ever be built today).

He didn't mention Jerry World, though that would probably be the best of the Pro stadiums in that it can hold 105k for big games. Baton Rouge and CS definitely have better gameday experiences though, I hate our games at Jerry World and no longer attend. I wasn't impressed with Bryant-Denny, though that was more due to fan lethargy rather than the actual stadium itself (which is amazing).

Interesting insight. What are your thoughts on "new" Kyle Field?

Edit: I failed to mention that at least an on-campus stadium, old or new, can definitely make a difference. In fact, for a little while, teams were scared to come to Robertson Stadium near the end of its life because of how good some of our teams were. Same thing with TDECU Stadium from 2015-circa 2021-ish. The difference with TDECU is, at least in my opinion, it's built in such a way that it tends to hold in noise better than Robertson Stadium ever did so when it's full, the noise level can be deafening! (I should know; I've been to both in the past decade and a half and TDECU is hands down a better stadium.) So that's why I'm asking you, bryan, about Kyle Field today compared to when you were at A&M.

(12-04-2022 01:12 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 11:25 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 11:13 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 09:49 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:44 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Not a huge fan of the Cotton Bowl at Jerry World. Not one bit. Jerry has plenty of money.

The State Fair at the Cotton Bowl made that game feel so special.

The State Fair is over long before the Cotton Bowl game is played.

The Cotton Bowl is part of the State Fair venue……. same difference.

It's pretty different with the state fair there in October, and not there in January.

Why are you concerned about stuff that doesn’t matter. It’s literally “Fair Park”.

The Cotton Bowl lost its status not only due to the loss of the SWC, but the decaying condition of the stadium. It was left out of the Bowl Alliance, Bowl Coalition, and BCS. Once the game moved to Jerry World, it was first a "best of the rest" game between the Big 12 and SEC, then was able to move into the CFP rotation.

So it's the same, but it's not the same.

Incidentally, the city of Dallas introduced a bowl game in the Cotton Bowl stadium several years back. The Cotton Bowl stadium ended up being way too big for it, and the bowl now known as the First Responder Bowl is now played on campus at SMU.