(11-16-2022 11:16 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:17 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 09:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. Republicans are too gutless to stand for something, so Donald Trump is the anything they have fallen for.

lmfao ... let me get this straight.

you biatch about not having a platform ... yet, DJT had a solvent platform that worked (against all your rhetoric)

you biatch about not having a 'spine' ... yet, DJT had the spine against all odds and opponents

you biatch about not following through on agenda ... yet, DJT followed through on the majority of his to the benefit of the working class and the underlings

y'all crack me up with this rhetorical bs...

While he'll have my vote, I don't think it works. He lost last time against one of the worst candidates in history and last week showed Biden's incompetence and failures combined with multiple braindead dem candidates didn't move the electoral needle. The man has just made too many enemies and not enough friends in the right places. He has a larger base of support than anyone, but everyone outside that base hates him with a passion. Only chance he has is if a Ross Perot type makes 3rd party headway and there is a path to win with ~43%.

This is the truth, GOP ignore it at your own peril.

The GOP's problem is there is a percentage of that base that will stay home if Trump doesn't get his way. You can walk the tightrope if you are running for governor of Virginia, but you can't if running against Trump himself. I don't see a path to beating Trump without losing a significant chunk of his base if he decides to go scorched earth, which he will if he gets backed in a corner. And that chunk is larger than any independent group that might be gained. There aren't nearly enough white upper middle class Karens that will switch votes to offset the loss of the white lower-middle class that love Trump. That is the conundrum here. Could DeSantis win the general today as the nominee? Absolutely. Can he win the general after backing Trump in a corner, beating him in an all out war, and with 18 months of his centipedes spinning conspiracies and fake news targeted at the white lower-middle class? I just don't see it. Hate to say it but unless, something happens like Trump dropping dead of a heart attack before the campaign really kicks off, thus minimizing the loss of his base, I don't see any result other than another Biden term.

Great analysis of the exact pickle the GOP finds itself in. I enjoy your posts and I am very thankful not everyone on the right is as wise as you!

(11-16-2022 11:34 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 11:16 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:17 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  lmfao ... let me get this straight.

you biatch about not having a platform ... yet, DJT had a solvent platform that worked (against all your rhetoric)

you biatch about not having a 'spine' ... yet, DJT had the spine against all odds and opponents

you biatch about not following through on agenda ... yet, DJT followed through on the majority of his to the benefit of the working class and the underlings

y'all crack me up with this rhetorical bs...

While he'll have my vote, I don't think it works. He lost last time against one of the worst candidates in history and last week showed Biden's incompetence and failures combined with multiple braindead dem candidates didn't move the electoral needle. The man has just made too many enemies and not enough friends in the right places. He has a larger base of support than anyone, but everyone outside that base hates him with a passion. Only chance he has is if a Ross Perot type makes 3rd party headway and there is a path to win with ~43%.

This is the truth, GOP ignore it at your own peril.

The GOP's problem is there is a percentage of that base that will stay home if Trump doesn't get his way. You can walk the tightrope if you are running for governor of Virginia, but you can't if running against Trump himself. I don't see a path to beating Trump without losing a significant chunk of his base if he decides to go scorched earth, which he will if he gets backed in a corner. And that chunk is larger than any independent group that might be gained. There aren't nearly enough white upper middle class Karens that will switch votes to offset the loss of the white lower-middle class that love Trump. That is the conundrum here. Could DeSantis win the general today as the nominee? Absolutely. Can he win the general after backing Trump in a corner, beating him in an all out war, and with 18 months of his centipedes spinning conspiracies and fake news targeted at the white lower-middle class? I just don't see it. Hate to say it but unless, something happens like Trump dropping dead of a heart attack before the campaign really kicks off, thus minimizing the loss of his base, I don't see any result other than another Biden term.

Great analysis of the exact pickle the GOP finds itself in. I enjoy your posts and I am very thankful not everyone on the right is as wise as you!

it equally sucks how dangerous you are…

(11-16-2022 10:13 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:07 AM)Claw Wrote:  Trump is an experienced performer.

My prediction is that this campaign's Trump is Presidential. We so no more insulting tweets. We see a whole new Trump.

He's an actor. He's smart. He's going to change his public perception.

That's why he declared so early. He needs enough time and press to make that change stick.

Yeah, right. Fool me 4,623 times, shame on me.

Donald Trump this morning is the same person who made the completely needless attacks on Ron DeSantis and Glenn Youngkin over the past two weeks. He is no different than he ever was.

Nothing he can do or say can change my total distrust for this man. He had his chance and threw it away. No do-overs for me.

(11-16-2022 11:16 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:17 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 09:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. Republicans are too gutless to stand for something, so Donald Trump is the anything they have fallen for.

lmfao ... let me get this straight.

you biatch about not having a platform ... yet, DJT had a solvent platform that worked (against all your rhetoric)

you biatch about not having a 'spine' ... yet, DJT had the spine against all odds and opponents

you biatch about not following through on agenda ... yet, DJT followed through on the majority of his to the benefit of the working class and the underlings

y'all crack me up with this rhetorical bs...

While he'll have my vote, I don't think it works. He lost last time against one of the worst candidates in history and last week showed Biden's incompetence and failures combined with multiple braindead dem candidates didn't move the electoral needle. The man has just made too many enemies and not enough friends in the right places. He has a larger base of support than anyone, but everyone outside that base hates him with a passion. Only chance he has is if a Ross Perot type makes 3rd party headway and there is a path to win with ~43%.

This is the truth, GOP ignore it at your own peril.

The GOP's problem is there is a percentage of that base that will stay home if Trump doesn't get his way. You can walk the tightrope if you are running for governor of Virginia, but you can't if running against Trump himself. I don't see a path to beating Trump without losing a significant chunk of his base if he decides to go scorched earth, which he will if he gets backed in a corner. And that chunk is larger than any independent group that might be gained. There aren't nearly enough white upper middle class Karens that will switch votes to offset the loss of the white lower-middle class that love Trump. That is the conundrum here. Could DeSantis win the general today as the nominee? Absolutely. Can he win the general after backing Trump in a corner, beating him in an all out war, and with 18 months of his centipedes spinning conspiracies and fake news targeted at the white lower-middle class? I just don't see it. Hate to say it but unless, something happens like Trump dropping dead of a heart attack before the campaign really kicks off, thus minimizing the loss of his base, I don't see any result other than another Biden term.

You could be right. Something tells me however if DeSantis decides to take Trump on that he will impress enough conservatives to win the nomination and when the rubber meets the road Trump's base will unite behind him in the General simply because the alternative is so bad.

(11-16-2022 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 09:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. Republicans are too gutless to stand for something, so Donald Trump is the anything they have fallen for.

lmfao ... let me get this straight.
you biatch about not having a platform ... yet, DJT had a solvent platform that worked (against all your rhetoric)
you biatch about not having a 'spine' ... yet, DJT had the spine against all odds and opponents
you biatch about not following through on agenda ... yet, DJT followed through on the majority of his to the benefit of the working class and the underlings
y'all crack me up with this rhetorical bs...

But DJT had a personality that pissed people off, and it pretty well established that the most likable candidate usually wins presidential races. DJT was less unlikable than Hillary, but four years of character assassination left him less likable than the vegetable Biden.

What republicans need is DJT's platform and spine and follow-through, without DJT's personality. Example: DJT went after John McCain, who was like a god in Arizona. As a result, Arizona went from a reliably republican state to a reliably democrat one. DJT and McConnell running their mouths turned two republican senate seats in Georgia to democrats in Nov 2020-Jan 2021. Those 4 senate seats sure would look good now.

Somebody needs to reconnect to the McCain "machine" in Arizona and get it back on the republican side. And somebody needs to figure out how to bring Georgia back into the fold. There is a link in another tread to an article claiming that republicans cannot win another presidential election. Move Arizona and Georgia back into the R column, and that calculus changes significantly.

What republicans really need is a coherent message of being for things instead of just complaining about things they are against.

(11-16-2022 01:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 11:16 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:17 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  lmfao ... let me get this straight.

you biatch about not having a platform ... yet, DJT had a solvent platform that worked (against all your rhetoric)

you biatch about not having a 'spine' ... yet, DJT had the spine against all odds and opponents

you biatch about not following through on agenda ... yet, DJT followed through on the majority of his to the benefit of the working class and the underlings

y'all crack me up with this rhetorical bs...

While he'll have my vote, I don't think it works. He lost last time against one of the worst candidates in history and last week showed Biden's incompetence and failures combined with multiple braindead dem candidates didn't move the electoral needle. The man has just made too many enemies and not enough friends in the right places. He has a larger base of support than anyone, but everyone outside that base hates him with a passion. Only chance he has is if a Ross Perot type makes 3rd party headway and there is a path to win with ~43%.

This is the truth, GOP ignore it at your own peril.

The GOP's problem is there is a percentage of that base that will stay home if Trump doesn't get his way. You can walk the tightrope if you are running for governor of Virginia, but you can't if running against Trump himself. I don't see a path to beating Trump without losing a significant chunk of his base if he decides to go scorched earth, which he will if he gets backed in a corner. And that chunk is larger than any independent group that might be gained. There aren't nearly enough white upper middle class Karens that will switch votes to offset the loss of the white lower-middle class that love Trump. That is the conundrum here. Could DeSantis win the general today as the nominee? Absolutely. Can he win the general after backing Trump in a corner, beating him in an all out war, and with 18 months of his centipedes spinning conspiracies and fake news targeted at the white lower-middle class? I just don't see it. Hate to say it but unless, something happens like Trump dropping dead of a heart attack before the campaign really kicks off, thus minimizing the loss of his base, I don't see any result other than another Biden term.

You could be right. Something tells me however if DeSantis decides to take Trump on that he will impress enough conservatives to win the nomination and when the rubber meets the road Trump's base will unite behind him in the General simply because the alternative is so bad.

Some will, but have you seen the level of crazy in some of these MAGA-morons? They'll write in their orange savior if he's not a candidate.

However, it also wouldn't shock me if Trump becomes an "independent" half way through this if he sees the writing on the wall with the repubs.

The only thing that's for certain is that Trump will do whatever keeps the most attention on himself.

(11-16-2022 04:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 09:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. Republicans are too gutless to stand for something, so Donald Trump is the anything they have fallen for.

lmfao ... let me get this straight.
you biatch about not having a platform ... yet, DJT had a solvent platform that worked (against all your rhetoric)
you biatch about not having a 'spine' ... yet, DJT had the spine against all odds and opponents
you biatch about not following through on agenda ... yet, DJT followed through on the majority of his to the benefit of the working class and the underlings
y'all crack me up with this rhetorical bs...

But DJT had a personality that pissed people off, and it pretty well established that the most likable candidate usually wins presidential races. DJT was less unlikable than Hillary, but four years of character assassination left him less likable than the vegetable Biden.

What republicans need is DJT's platform and spine and follow-through, without DJT's personality. Example: DJT went after John McCain, who was like a god in Arizona. As a result, Arizona went from a reliably republican state to a reliably democrat one. DJT and McConnell running their mouths turned two republican senate seats in Georgia to democrats in Nov 2020-Jan 2021. Those 4 senate seats sure would look good now.

Somebody needs to reconnect to the McCain "machine" in Arizona and get it back on the republican side. And somebody needs to figure out how to bring Georgia back into the fold. There is a link in another tread to an article claiming that republicans cannot win another presidential election. Move Arizona and Georgia back into the R column, and that calculus changes significantly.

What republicans really need is a coherent message of being for things instead of just complaining about things they are against.

which I have always acknowledged ... and why the electorate is clueless en masse ... toss in the mail-it-inns, and it's the perfect storm for 'doesn't make a shite who it is'...

you're past the point of wrong on this one ... you continually disavow the real issue ... that's what I find saddening and maddening ... smart folk like you guys are supposed to know better ... maybe yaz do in pacification...

sorry, bubby, but that's what I see from those seeking the finish line in stride....

addendum: fk McCain!

Well, you can't change anything without winning elections. So just complaining that the deck is stacked against won't get you anywhere. You have to find a way to win against the odds and then make the necessary changes after you win.

(11-16-2022 09:47 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  7-d Chess

Do you get time travel with 7-d?

(11-16-2022 06:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Well, you can't change anything without winning elections. So just complaining that the deck is stacked against won't get you anywhere. You have to find a way to win against the odds and then make the necessary changes after you win.

hence, the gubernatorial races mattered more ... that's the only way based on the 10th, Ja?!

where the fk ya at, tang?!!!

(11-16-2022 06:53 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 06:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Well, you can't change anything without winning elections. So just complaining that the deck is stacked against won't get you anywhere. You have to find a way to win against the odds and then make the necessary changes after you win.

hence, the gubernatorial races mattered more ... that's the only way based on the 10th, Ja?!

Ja.

Gubernatorial and legislatures, because they are who can change it. Get a uniform law that addresses the issues, then get it passed everywhere you can.

(11-16-2022 07:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 06:53 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 06:33 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Well, you can't change anything without winning elections. So just complaining that the deck is stacked against won't get you anywhere. You have to find a way to win against the odds and then make the necessary changes after you win.

hence, the gubernatorial races mattered more ... that's the only way based on the 10th, Ja?!

Ja.

Gubernatorial and legislatures, because they are who can change it. Get a uniform law that addresses the issues, then get it passed everywhere you can.

thank you, sir!

#statesLivesMatter