(11-13-2022 10:02 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(11-13-2022 12:12 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(11-12-2022 07:10 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  You can go back to FCS if you want to, because that's your only alternative.

I'd love a real playoff like FCS has. The FBS playoff should have 16 teams: 10 conference champs and the highest ranked remaining six. But there's too much risk for the P5 in that.

I don't think anyone thinking rationally was too excited about the bowls when moving up to FBS. Most bowls are terrible. JMU didn't move up for a bowl game. It moved up for better competition.

I suggest you actually go to a bowl game before you talk about how much they suck. You're like a kid saying he doesn't like carrots when he's never ate a carrot in his life. I've been to several home FCS playoff games and a bowl game. I had more fun at the bowl game.

What if that kid grows up, has tried carrots, and still doesn’t like carrots, unless they are roasted or in a soup? I’m asking for a friend.

(11-14-2022 07:59 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 04:46 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  ODU was in same spot with 6 wins and they did not allow us to go to a bowl.

And yes, a bowl game is 1000x times better than FCS playoff games.

I’m assuming you’re referencing ODU’s first season as an FBS team in CUSA? After playing a full season as a FCS transitioning team.

Yes, ODU was 6-6 in its first FBS year, but only had 5 FBS wins. As it currently stands, that is the same record posted by JMU (also 6-6 with one FCS win). However, that’s where the similarities end.

JMU did not play a FCS transition year, and has posted 6 wins earlier in the season than ODU (which needed a 3 game winning streak in its last 3 games to make it to 6 wins). And lastly, JMU has at least a 50-50 chance at finishing with at least 7 or 8 wins in a 11 game regular season.

I’m not suggesting that JMU deserves to receive a bowl bid, but the idea ODU was “in [the] same spot” just isn’t true.

You are allowed to have 1 FCS win counting toward the 6 win minimum.

Whether JMU has 6 wins or 10 doesn't matter. They werent denied in year 2 because they didn't qualify, they were denied bc the powers of be didn't want to make an exception for their rules. You probably have a good chance of getting the waiver next year, but I would be surprised if they got it this year as it would be a complete reversal from what they have always done.

(11-14-2022 08:18 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(11-14-2022 04:46 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  ODU was in same spot with 6 wins and they did not allow us to go to a bowl.

And yes, a bowl game is 1000x times better than FCS playoff games.

While I believe you for the most part, ODU is 1-2 in playoffs and never went deep into the big / tense games.... Those were really good - still, FBS all the way

You should go back and watch the ODU/Georgia Southern games.

(11-15-2022 10:13 AM)APPrising Wrote:  

(11-13-2022 10:02 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(11-13-2022 12:12 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(11-12-2022 07:10 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  You can go back to FCS if you want to, because that's your only alternative.

I'd love a real playoff like FCS has. The FBS playoff should have 16 teams: 10 conference champs and the highest ranked remaining six. But there's too much risk for the P5 in that.

I don't think anyone thinking rationally was too excited about the bowls when moving up to FBS. Most bowls are terrible. JMU didn't move up for a bowl game. It moved up for better competition.

I suggest you actually go to a bowl game before you talk about how much they suck. You're like a kid saying he doesn't like carrots when he's never ate a carrot in his life. I've been to several home FCS playoff games and a bowl game. I had more fun at the bowl game.

What if that kid grows up, has tried carrots, and still doesn’t like carrots, unless they are roasted or in a soup? I’m asking for a friend.

What if the kid grows up and goes to Marshall then hooks up with a girl from the swim team?

(11-13-2022 12:12 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(11-12-2022 07:10 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  You can go back to FCS if you want to, because that's your only alternative.

I'd love a real playoff like FCS has. The FBS playoff should have 16 teams: 10 conference champs and the highest ranked remaining six. But there's too much risk for the P5 in that.

I don't think anyone thinking rationally was too excited about the bowls when moving up to FBS. Most bowls are terrible. JMU didn't move up for a bowl game. It moved up for better competition.

You know the Golden Rule......He who has the gold makes the rules. That is P5. They will NEVER give the G5 equal access and therefore all 10 conference champs will never be auto bids.

We would LOVE for that to happen, but hoping it happens will lead to a long and unhappy future.

You'll come around on the bowls and how much fun they are like most of us have. It's not "better" than the playoffs but they have their own fun and interest. The two bowl games I have attended have been a lot of fun.

(11-13-2022 11:46 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Can JMU go to a bowl if there aren't enough six win teams?

IIRC GS was in the same boat and were not even considered when there were not enough 6 win teams in our transition year. We attempted to get a waiver and they gave us the 'ol

(11-14-2022 03:41 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  JMU should be bowl eligible in my opinion, they played a normal full conference schedule without only 1 FCS team, rest all FBS schedule. They have shown they can win, let them play in the bowl. They deserve it.

And GS "deserved it" in 2014 but that didn't get us into a bowl game either.

Georgia Southern won the conference and wasn’t given a bid. App had 7 wins and was not considered, either. It sucks, but that’s the way that the world goes round.

(11-15-2022 04:55 PM)APPrising Wrote:  Georgia Southern won the conference and wasn’t given a bid. App had 7 wins and was not considered, either. It sucks, but that’s the way that the world goes round.

And that's after the teams had to play a year in FCS without any post-season.

Don't listen to the JMU bowl game wankers, there are about 5 of them that used to get Chubb's playing Colgate in the fcs playoffs

If you can play a FBS schedule all year. Win enough games to be in a bowl you should be able too.
That's nonsense to be kept out.

If you want to complain why this is a rule, they wear green and their mascot rhymes with Blundering Turd.

To be clear before they jump down my throat, I like having them in conference and was my personal first pick of the newbies.

(11-15-2022 02:12 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(11-13-2022 12:12 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(11-12-2022 07:10 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  You can go back to FCS if you want to, because that's your only alternative.

I'd love a real playoff like FCS has. The FBS playoff should have 16 teams: 10 conference champs and the highest ranked remaining six. But there's too much risk for the P5 in that.

I don't think anyone thinking rationally was too excited about the bowls when moving up to FBS. Most bowls are terrible. JMU didn't move up for a bowl game. It moved up for better competition.

You know the Golden Rule......He who has the gold makes the rules. That is P5. They will NEVER give the G5 equal access and therefore all 10 conference champs will never be auto bids.

We would LOVE for that to happen, but hoping it happens will lead to a long and unhappy future.

You'll come around on the bowls and how much fun they are like most of us have. It's not "better" than the playoffs but they have their own fun and interest. The two bowl games I have attended have been a lot of fun.

Word. I think I clarified later that as a fan, I'm rooting for all SBC teams in their bowl games, and looking forward to JMU playing in one in the future. There are a lot of bad bowls, but if your team is in one, you represent!

Agreed on the playoff situation. 16 is the ideal, but what's coming is better than the TWO team playoff we used to have.

(11-16-2022 10:04 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If you want to complain why this is a rule, they wear green and their mascot rhymes with Blundering Turd.

To be clear before they jump down my throat, I like having them in conference and was my personal first pick of the newbies.

No, you are right. Marshall had no transition time. We left the SOCON in 1996 and won the MAC in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, Runner Up in 2001, and won in 2002. Jim Grobe (Ohio's coach) was on record saying when Marshall was voted into the MAC, "We just let the fox into the hen house."

The MAC is still griping about it to this day and many of them still hate us.

(11-16-2022 02:27 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(11-16-2022 10:04 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If you want to complain why this is a rule, they wear green and their mascot rhymes with Blundering Turd.

To be clear before they jump down my throat, I like having them in conference and was my personal first pick of the newbies.

No, you are right. Marshall had no transition time. We left the SOCON in 1996 and won the MAC in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, Runner Up in 2001, and won in 2002. Jim Grobe (Ohio's coach) was on record saying when Marshall was voted into the MAC, "We just let the fox into the hen house."

The MAC is still griping about it to this day and many of them still hate us.

1996 (1-AA) 15-0 National Champions
1997 10-3
1998 12-1
1999 13-0 (#10)
2000 8-5
2001 11-2
2002 11-2 (#19/#24)

there's probably 500 JMU fans on here.

maybe 5 are complaining about not being allowed to get to a bowl.

but typical of society today, message board posters are no different. they'll say those 5 represent the entirety of the JMU fanbase

I mean I complained in one post about JMU not being being able to go to a bowl and im a USM fan.The rule is dumb. It's not like people are making non stop threads about it. Every now and then it gets brought up.

It will be nice when all teams are eligible and we don't have to worry about a team running through the Sunbelt picking up wins and then can't play in the postseason.

“That’s the way it goes, life ain’t fair and the world is mean”

Again, JMU is not allowed to be picked if there are enough Bowl Eligible. However, the are not banned if they can't fill all the slots. So say there is 81 teams, JMU would be picked before any 5-7 APR team since they did meet get the required wins.

This is rule 18.7.2.1.3. There's a ladder: you keep going down the ladder until all the bowl spots are filled.

(1) First, schools that would have as many or more wins as losses if they could count one FCS win against an FCS school that did not meet the scholarship threshold normally required for the FCS win to count.

Then, if there are still spaces, (2) a school that played 13 games and finished with 6 wins (that is, the Hawaii rule season, because being 6-6 and losing a CCG already doesn't known you out, under an existing rule).

Then, if there are still spaces, (3) an institution that is in its final year of FCS to FBS transition, who would otherwise quality

THEN if there are still spaces, (4) 5-7 schools in APR order.

(11-16-2022 07:18 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, JMU is not allowed to be picked if there are enough Bowl Eligible. However, the are not banned if they can't fill all the slots. So say there is 81 teams, JMU would be picked before any 5-7 APR team since they did meet get the required wins.

This is rule 18.7.2.1.3. There's a ladder: you keep going down the ladder until all the bowl spots are filled.

(1) First, schools that would have as many or more wins as losses if they could count one FCS win against an FCS school that did not meet the scholarship threshold normally required for the FCS win to count.

Then, if there are still spaces, (2) a school that played 13 games and finished with 6 wins (that is, the Hawaii rule season, because being 6-6 and losing a CCG already doesn't known you out, under an existing rule).

Then, if there are still spaces, (3) an institution that is in its final year of FCS to FBS transition, who would otherwise quality

THEN if there are still spaces, (4) 5-7 schools in APR order.

JMU is in their first year of transition. They will request a waiver of the second transition year (next year) in December.