(11-09-2022 03:59 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Only 0.56 percent of women in the US get abortions and yet this is somehow a wedge issue for single women voters? That's some insane logic right there. Congrats to Demos into turning something that very few will ever do into a major election issue for 6 decades.

If it weren't for our superior geography and resources we'd have been wiped off the map a long time ago.

They don't want politicians to tell them how to live their life. That simple. You don't either.

(11-09-2022 03:55 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some interesting numbers I saw on Twitter:

“ Married men broke Republican by 20 pts

Married women broke R by 14 pts

Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts

But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"

It would appear the Republican Party needs to keep their margins in the first three demographics but has a lot of work to do with unmarried women.

That is almost 100% a single issue vote on the part of umarried women---it was all about abortion. If you want to know why there was no red wave---it was because abortion probably cost the Republicans that marginal female voter that would have voted entirely on how much she's getting squeezed by the Biden economy---and instead---she's voting almost entirely to make sure abortion stays legal. That court decision gets announce 6 months later and Tuesday would have been the red wave everyone was hoping for. Sometimes the breaks just dont fall your way.

There were quite a few people on here who said it was going to help the Republicans in this election. I told them they were nuts... I was then labeled a progressive liberal. Wow... crazy to think that an issue that the Republicans have aligned with that is not favorable to them could hurt them in an election.

Trump, abortion, and potentially gay marriage are all issues that the Republicans have to figure out over the next 2 years. Especially if the SCOTUS sends gay marriage back to the states as well. They fall on the wrong side of 2 issues, and clearly Trump's brand is not what it was a few years back.

Yep-- taking on gay marriage on this point would be cataclysmic for the Republican Party. As a libertarian minded person myself, I fully understand the rationale for the SC to rule abortion and gay marriage are issues that should be addressed on a state level, but politically it's poor strategy to overturn Obergefell.

(11-09-2022 03:55 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some interesting numbers I saw on Twitter:

“ Married men broke Republican by 20 pts

Married women broke R by 14 pts

Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts

But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"

It would appear the Republican Party needs to keep their margins in the first three demographics but has a lot of work to do with unmarried women.

That is almost 100% a single issue vote on the part of umarried women---it was all about abortion. If you want to know why there was no red wave---it was because abortion probably cost the Republicans that marginal female voter that would have voted entirely on how much she's getting squeezed by the Biden economy---and instead---she's voting almost entirely to make sure abortion stays legal. That court decision gets announce 6 months later and Tuesday would have been the red wave everyone was hoping for. Sometimes the breaks just dont fall your way.

There were quite a few people on here who said it was going to help the Republicans in this election. I told them they were nuts... I was then labeled a progressive liberal. Wow... crazy to think that an issue that the Republicans have aligned with that is not favorable to them could hurt them in an election.

Trump, abortion, and potentially gay marriage are all issues that the Republicans have to figure out over the next 2 years. Especially if the SCOTUS sends gay marriage back to the states as well. They fall on the wrong side of 2 issues, and clearly Trump's brand is not what it was a few years back.

My view on abortion is pragmatic and is admittedly not really logical on any ethical or faith basis. Its totally pragmatic in that this is an issue where neither side can really win---thus the only way forward is some sort of grand compromise that everyone can at least live with. Roe vs Wade was a decent model--but antiqueated. I prefer a slightly stricter Roe vs Wade compromise----something similar to the Texas heartbeat law. While I think a complete ban makes sense to my ethical and faith based side----its never going to be a reasonable solution for our overall society. Republicans will need to be able to figure out a reasonable compromise---- as well as a way to sell it own religious right members. While thats an admittedly tough sell, its easier I think than trying to sell the "no limits-abortion on demand right up to the date of birth" version of abortion the left has to defend to the general public.

(11-09-2022 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:55 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some interesting numbers I saw on Twitter:

“ Married men broke Republican by 20 pts

Married women broke R by 14 pts

Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts

But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"

It would appear the Republican Party needs to keep their margins in the first three demographics but has a lot of work to do with unmarried women.

That is almost 100% a single issue vote on the part of umarried women---it was all about abortion. If you want to know why there was no red wave---it was because abortion probably cost the Republicans that marginal female voter that would have voted entirely on how much she's getting squeezed by the Biden economy---and instead---she's voting almost entirely to make sure abortion stays legal. That court decision gets announce 6 months later and Tuesday would have been the red wave everyone was hoping for. Sometimes the breaks just dont fall your way.

There were quite a few people on here who said it was going to help the Republicans in this election. I told them they were nuts... I was then labeled a progressive liberal. Wow... crazy to think that an issue that the Republicans have aligned with that is not favorable to them could hurt them in an election.

Trump, abortion, and potentially gay marriage are all issues that the Republicans have to figure out over the next 2 years. Especially if the SCOTUS sends gay marriage back to the states as well. They fall on the wrong side of 2 issues, and clearly Trump's brand is not what it was a few years back.

My view on abortion is pragmatic and is admittedly not really logical on any ethical or faith basis. Its totally pragmatic in that this is an issue where neither side can really win---thus the only way forward is some sort of grand compromise where everyone can at least live with. Roe vs Wade was a decent model. I prefer a slightly stricter Roe vs Wade compromise----something to the Texas heartbeat law. While I think a complete ban makes sense to my ethical and faith based side----its never going to be a reasonable solution for our society. Republicans will need to be able to figure out a reasonable compromise---- as well as a way to sell it to the religious right. While tough, its easier I think than trying to sell the "no limits-no restrictions" version of abortion the left has to defend.

But the Left has defended it. They went from saying "Safe, Legal and Rare" under HRC to arguing its a Women's Health Issue---- and people are buying it.

The left doesn't want a compromise at this point

(11-09-2022 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:55 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some interesting numbers I saw on Twitter:

“ Married men broke Republican by 20 pts

Married women broke R by 14 pts

Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts

But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"

It would appear the Republican Party needs to keep their margins in the first three demographics but has a lot of work to do with unmarried women.

That is almost 100% a single issue vote on the part of umarried women---it was all about abortion. If you want to know why there was no red wave---it was because abortion probably cost the Republicans that marginal female voter that would have voted entirely on how much she's getting squeezed by the Biden economy---and instead---she's voting almost entirely to make sure abortion stays legal. That court decision gets announce 6 months later and Tuesday would have been the red wave everyone was hoping for. Sometimes the breaks just dont fall your way.

There were quite a few people on here who said it was going to help the Republicans in this election. I told them they were nuts... I was then labeled a progressive liberal. Wow... crazy to think that an issue that the Republicans have aligned with that is not favorable to them could hurt them in an election.

Trump, abortion, and potentially gay marriage are all issues that the Republicans have to figure out over the next 2 years. Especially if the SCOTUS sends gay marriage back to the states as well. They fall on the wrong side of 2 issues, and clearly Trump's brand is not what it was a few years back.

My view on abortion is pragmatic and is admittedly not really logical on any ethical or faith basis. Its totally pragmatic in that this is an issue where neither side can really win---thus the only way forward is some sort of grand compromise that everyone can at least live with. Roe vs Wade was a decent model--but antiqueated. I prefer a slightly stricter Roe vs Wade compromise----something similar to the Texas heartbeat law. While I think a complete ban makes sense to my ethical and faith based side----its never going to be a reasonable solution for our overall society. Republicans will need to be able to figure out a reasonable compromise---- as well as a way to sell it own religious right members. While thats an admittedly tough sell, its easier I think than trying to sell the "no limits-abortion on demand right up to the date of birth" version of abortion the left has to defend to the general public.

Republicans are clearly not in a position to state terms on what they want abortion to look like. It took slimy political manipulation to inject three conservative supreme court picks for them to build this coffin, and now they get to lay in it. Your idea would have been smart as a starting point, but you know Republican uncooperation has been Modus Operandi since Obama.

To say unmarried women are going D based off abortion alone is nonsense.

D’s are viewed as the more compassionate party. Also the party that’s destroying the evil patriarchy that’s been oppressing women in the workplace for centuries & centuries. These women will tend to be college educated & have seen the evils of history in college. They want to be the good, caring person who supports Democrat extensions like BLM. These women are feminists.

A LOT of the Democrat platform is very appealing to these unmarried women.

Abortion’s just a small part of it. It’s an entire mindset that's been crafted over generations of conservative failures & feminist victories.

(11-09-2022 04:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:55 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some interesting numbers I saw on Twitter:

“ Married men broke Republican by 20 pts

Married women broke R by 14 pts

Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts

But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"

It would appear the Republican Party needs to keep their margins in the first three demographics but has a lot of work to do with unmarried women.

That is almost 100% a single issue vote on the part of umarried women---it was all about abortion. If you want to know why there was no red wave---it was because abortion probably cost the Republicans that marginal female voter that would have voted entirely on how much she's getting squeezed by the Biden economy---and instead---she's voting almost entirely to make sure abortion stays legal. That court decision gets announce 6 months later and Tuesday would have been the red wave everyone was hoping for. Sometimes the breaks just dont fall your way.

There were quite a few people on here who said it was going to help the Republicans in this election. I told them they were nuts... I was then labeled a progressive liberal. Wow... crazy to think that an issue that the Republicans have aligned with that is not favorable to them could hurt them in an election.

Trump, abortion, and potentially gay marriage are all issues that the Republicans have to figure out over the next 2 years. Especially if the SCOTUS sends gay marriage back to the states as well. They fall on the wrong side of 2 issues, and clearly Trump's brand is not what it was a few years back.

My view on abortion is pragmatic and is admittedly not really logical on any ethical or faith basis. Its totally pragmatic in that this is an issue where neither side can really win---thus the only way forward is some sort of grand compromise where everyone can at least live with. Roe vs Wade was a decent model. I prefer a slightly stricter Roe vs Wade compromise----something to the Texas heartbeat law. While I think a complete ban makes sense to my ethical and faith based side----its never going to be a reasonable solution for our society. Republicans will need to be able to figure out a reasonable compromise---- as well as a way to sell it to the religious right. While tough, its easier I think than trying to sell the "no limits-no restrictions" version of abortion the left has to defend.

But the Left has defended it. They went from saying "Safe, Legal and Rare" under HRC to arguing its a Woman's Health Issue---- and people are buying it.

Because it IS a women's health issue in some cases. That makes it a women's health issue when it's being discussed, period.

If the far right hadn't gone off the deep end with personhood & heartbeat bills, you might have a shot at reasonable compromise. As it stands, they don't want to budge, so you get the results you got last night. They have no one to blame but themselves. We'll see if they learn from it, but I doubt it.

(11-09-2022 04:14 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:55 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some interesting numbers I saw on Twitter:

“ Married men broke Republican by 20 pts

Married women broke R by 14 pts

Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts

But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"

It would appear the Republican Party needs to keep their margins in the first three demographics but has a lot of work to do with unmarried women.

That is almost 100% a single issue vote on the part of umarried women---it was all about abortion. If you want to know why there was no red wave---it was because abortion probably cost the Republicans that marginal female voter that would have voted entirely on how much she's getting squeezed by the Biden economy---and instead---she's voting almost entirely to make sure abortion stays legal. That court decision gets announce 6 months later and Tuesday would have been the red wave everyone was hoping for. Sometimes the breaks just dont fall your way.

There were quite a few people on here who said it was going to help the Republicans in this election. I told them they were nuts... I was then labeled a progressive liberal. Wow... crazy to think that an issue that the Republicans have aligned with that is not favorable to them could hurt them in an election.

Trump, abortion, and potentially gay marriage are all issues that the Republicans have to figure out over the next 2 years. Especially if the SCOTUS sends gay marriage back to the states as well. They fall on the wrong side of 2 issues, and clearly Trump's brand is not what it was a few years back.

My view on abortion is pragmatic and is admittedly not really logical on any ethical or faith basis. Its totally pragmatic in that this is an issue where neither side can really win---thus the only way forward is some sort of grand compromise where everyone can at least live with. Roe vs Wade was a decent model. I prefer a slightly stricter Roe vs Wade compromise----something to the Texas heartbeat law. While I think a complete ban makes sense to my ethical and faith based side----its never going to be a reasonable solution for our society. Republicans will need to be able to figure out a reasonable compromise---- as well as a way to sell it to the religious right. While tough, its easier I think than trying to sell the "no limits-no restrictions" version of abortion the left has to defend.

But the Left has defended it. They went from saying "Safe, Legal and Rare" under HRC to arguing its a Woman's Health Issue---- and people are buying it.

No---I dont think the public is buying it. What I think you are seeing is that at this point, many women voters are worried more about a complete abortion ban than they are worried about a complete deregulation. Why? Because in the end---if you are a women of child bearing years---a complete ban directly affects you where as unlimited abortion does not. The fact is I suspect a HUGE percentage of voters against a total abortion ban are NOT against restricting abortions (perhaps even more restrictive than Roe vs Wade). In other words---I dont think most of the people who are against a total abortion ban are necessarily against substantial abortion restrictions. If we only give them 2 choices---complete ban vs unlimited abortion----we probably lose. If give them a choice of a reasonably restrictive abortion law vs unlimited-abortion-on-demand....I think we win that debate.

(11-09-2022 03:59 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Only 0.56 percent of women in the US get abortions and yet this is somehow a wedge issue for single women voters?

Nearly 1 in 4 women will have had an abortion at some period in their life. I think your percentage is in any given year.

(11-09-2022 04:28 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:59 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Only 0.56 percent of women in the US get abortions and yet this is somehow a wedge issue for single women voters?

Nearly 1 in 4 women will have had an abortion at some period in their life. I think your percentage is in any given year.

If so, that's a lot of baby murder.

(11-09-2022 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  My view on abortion is pragmatic and is admittedly not really logical on any ethical or faith basis. Its totally pragmatic in that this is an issue where neither side can really win---thus the only way forward is some sort of grand compromise that everyone can at least live with. Roe vs Wade was a decent model--but antiqueated. I prefer a slightly stricter Roe vs Wade compromise----something similar to the Texas heartbeat law. While I think a complete ban makes sense to my ethical and faith based side----its never going to be a reasonable solution for our overall society. Republicans will need to be able to figure out a reasonable compromise---- as well as a way to sell it own religious right members. While thats an admittedly tough sell, its easier I think than trying to sell the "no limits-abortion on demand right up to the date of birth" version of abortion the left has to defend to the general public.

The Texas law is a non-starter. I could see maybe the Mississippi Law (prior to the trigger law taking effect) of 15-weeks, but I wouldn't call the Texas Law a "grand compromise".

15 weeks would be a compromise

But dems have no reason to compromise

They can run on the issue out of fear now

GOP is going to have to bit bullets at state level and codify a MS style law in spite of the wishes of those who want a full ban

(11-09-2022 04:09 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:55 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some interesting numbers I saw on Twitter:

“ Married men broke Republican by 20 pts

Married women broke R by 14 pts

Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts

But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"

It would appear the Republican Party needs to keep their margins in the first three demographics but has a lot of work to do with unmarried women.

That is almost 100% a single issue vote on the part of umarried women---it was all about abortion. If you want to know why there was no red wave---it was because abortion probably cost the Republicans that marginal female voter that would have voted entirely on how much she's getting squeezed by the Biden economy---and instead---she's voting almost entirely to make sure abortion stays legal. That court decision gets announce 6 months later and Tuesday would have been the red wave everyone was hoping for. Sometimes the breaks just dont fall your way.

There were quite a few people on here who said it was going to help the Republicans in this election. I told them they were nuts... I was then labeled a progressive liberal. Wow... crazy to think that an issue that the Republicans have aligned with that is not favorable to them could hurt them in an election.

Trump, abortion, and potentially gay marriage are all issues that the Republicans have to figure out over the next 2 years. Especially if the SCOTUS sends gay marriage back to the states as well. They fall on the wrong side of 2 issues, and clearly Trump's brand is not what it was a few years back.

Yep-- taking on gay marriage on this point would be cataclysmic for the Republican Party. As a libertarian minded person myself, I fully understand the rationale for the SC to rule abortion and gay marriage are issues that should be addressed on a state level, but politically it's poor strategy to overturn Obergefell.

orrrrrr. Republicans could be smarter and just look at the numbers: provide significant additional incentives for marriage and reduce the numbers of those unmarried single women, which is part of the real problem (though I'm not sure who you get to marry "skyscreamer" and some of the others). Still, if Rice grads can marry it's possible...

I don't think Repubs need a new platform. I think the majority of Americans agree with most of it, already.

When you've got 95% of the media, social media, academia, & Hollywood doing your bidding, screaming from every rooftop that Repubs are evil racists, it's an uphill battle. Then, throw in mail-in voting/ballot harvesting, and it's amazing that things still come out around 50/50 in most elections.

The issue isn't the party platform.

(11-09-2022 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  My view on abortion is pragmatic and is admittedly not really logical on any ethical or faith basis. Its totally pragmatic in that this is an issue where neither side can really win---thus the only way forward is some sort of grand compromise that everyone can at least live with. Roe vs Wade was a decent model--but antiqueated. I prefer a slightly stricter Roe vs Wade compromise----something similar to the Texas heartbeat law. While I think a complete ban makes sense to my ethical and faith based side----its never going to be a reasonable solution for our overall society. Republicans will need to be able to figure out a reasonable compromise---- as well as a way to sell it own religious right members. While thats an admittedly tough sell, its easier I think than trying to sell the "no limits-abortion on demand right up to the date of birth" version of abortion the left has to defend to the general public.

This. The biggest thing that should be pointed out about the left on this issue is that Biden and company had many months to craft a legislative response to Dobbs... and they instead chose to use it to collect money and grab votes... and mostly failed. They now have much LESS ability to solve this problem they say is so desperate.

They'll blame it on Republicans of course... but only fools can't see exactly what they intentionally chose to do.

(11-09-2022 04:28 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:59 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Only 0.56 percent of women in the US get abortions and yet this is somehow a wedge issue for single women voters?

Nearly 1 in 4 women will have had an abortion at some period in their life. I think your percentage is in any given year.

I think the above figure is also misleading somewhat. 11% of that 25% is people using plan B or some other 'morning after' pill.

What would be interesting is to see what percentage of abortions happen within 'x' period of conception... Find the hot spot and settle on that.

MY biggest problem is that MOST women seeking an abortion should know before they have sex whether or not they are in a position to have a child... and shouldn't want nor need MONTHS to decide. Couple that with highly accurate, simple and cheap methods to detect pregnancy and this is a no-brainer to me. Sure, there will be exceptions... but laws aren't written around exceptions.

(11-09-2022 03:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some interesting numbers I saw on Twitter:

“ Married men broke Republican by 20 pts

Married women broke R by 14 pts

Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts

But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"

It would appear the Republican Party needs to keep their margins in the first three demographics but has a lot of work to do with unmarried women.

Maybe those unmarried women are dogs and no one wants to marry them. The Reps should allocate congressional monies to get everyone of them a Dating Site membership.

JK

(11-09-2022 06:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 03:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Some interesting numbers I saw on Twitter:

“ Married men broke Republican by 20 pts

Married women broke R by 14 pts

Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts

But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"

It would appear the Republican Party needs to keep their margins in the first three demographics but has a lot of work to do with unmarried women.

Maybe those unmarried women are dogs and no one wants to marry them. The Reps should allocate congressional monies to get everyone of them a Dating Site membership.

JK

Yeah, lets start a website to connect unmarried liberal women to blind male escorts. We'll call it Hidden. Hookers use pay by the hour motels, high end escorts use Hiltons, Hidden Male Escorts will meet their "ladies" at Holiday Inn Express. Get free breakfast the nest day. Here's a couple of liberal women who could benefit from Hidden Escorts:

(11-09-2022 07:09 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

The one on the right reminds me of a similar photo I once saw on a Navy veteran site with the caption, "It's hell to get so drunk that you come home with your ass on backwards."