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(10-18-2022 10:05 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  The AD if you listen to his recent podcast pretty clearly said he isn’t listening to fans either way, including the Friends of VIncent and the BlazerTalk Geniuses

Oh snap na.....dem be fightin' words deah!!!

Today is Bryant Vincent's birthday , interesting

(10-18-2022 11:19 AM)grendelson138 Wrote:  Kind of weird timing to start this campaign after we just eked out a win against one of the worst teams in college football. Fan support wise, the crowd didn't look great on TV either. Just saying...

Not weird timing at all, perfect timing is you ask me. He is 4-2, with the toughest part of the scheduling remaining. Maybe it's not expected for the iron to get any hotter.

(10-18-2022 12:54 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(10-18-2022 11:19 AM)grendelson138 Wrote:  Kind of weird timing to start this campaign after we just eked out a win against one of the worst teams in college football. Fan support wise, the crowd didn't look great on TV either. Just saying...

Not weird timing at all, perfect timing is you ask me. He is 4-2, with the toughest part of the scheduling remaining. Maybe it's not expected for the iron to get any hotter.

This is a good point. Our next 6 games have very possible loses to WKU, UNT, UTSA, and LSU. Record could look less appealing at other instances down the line

(10-18-2022 11:47 AM)BlazinBham Wrote:  Um, when you have 11k followers and run one of the Facebook groups, that is campaigning.

Great number of followers however this account posts about everything and everybody. It has UAB in the name, but the posts are scores for any and everybody, including very extreme political views. I personally wish they'd take UAB out of the name.

(10-18-2022 11:58 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-18-2022 07:43 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Yes it’s premature. We have two self-inflicted losses and all of the same, recurring issues on offense we’ve had since Clark was here. He ain’t the answer. People need to stop worshipping Clark as a football god and realize we need to move on to bigger and better things.

People are entitled to do whatever they like. Just like you are entitled to continue to rant and rave about your dislike for Clark and Vincent....lol.

Never said people can't have their own opinions and ideas. I am just pointing out that I believe they are wrong if they think Vincent is the right coach for the future.

What is your opinion? Or are you just going to call me and other posters out for our opinions without stating yours?

UAB fans have a much larger “panic meter” than other schools. Hell, maybe than any other school, because we watched poor coaching and low attendance actually give ammunition to those who don’t want us to exist. It’s not that we fear going 6-6 like a bad P5 hire. We feel harmful circumstances of a bad hire, low attendance, poor recruiting, uniform change, the move of the coach’s show, etc. as existential threats to the program (whether that’s accurate anymore or not). So it’s understandable that concerns and rhetoric are cranked up to 11.

(10-18-2022 01:32 PM)blazr Wrote:  UAB fans have a much larger “panic meter” than other schools. Hell, maybe than any other school, because we watched poor coaching and low attendance actually give ammunition to those who don’t want us to exist. It’s not that we fear going 6-6 like a bad P5 hire. We feel harmful circumstances of a bad hire, low attendance, poor recruiting, uniform change, the move of the coach’s show, etc. as existential threats to the program (whether that’s accurate anymore or not). So it’s understandable that concerns and rhetoric are cranked up to 11.

Once bitten, twice shy

(10-18-2022 01:06 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(10-18-2022 11:58 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-18-2022 07:43 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Yes it’s premature. We have two self-inflicted losses and all of the same, recurring issues on offense we’ve had since Clark was here. He ain’t the answer. People need to stop worshipping Clark as a football god and realize we need to move on to bigger and better things.

People are entitled to do whatever they like. Just like you are entitled to continue to rant and rave about your dislike for Clark and Vincent....lol.

Never said people can't have their own opinions and ideas. I am just pointing out that I believe they are wrong if they think Vincent is the right coach for the future.

What is your opinion? Or are you just going to call me and other posters out for our opinions without stating yours?

But you did say people "need" to stop worshipping Clark as a football god. The man saved UAB Football so you put some "spect" on his name!

Personally, I agree with most of you.......Vincent ain't "The Answer UAB"!

(10-18-2022 02:22 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-18-2022 01:06 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(10-18-2022 11:58 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-18-2022 07:43 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Yes it’s premature. We have two self-inflicted losses and all of the same, recurring issues on offense we’ve had since Clark was here. He ain’t the answer. People need to stop worshipping Clark as a football god and realize we need to move on to bigger and better things.

People are entitled to do whatever they like. Just like you are entitled to continue to rant and rave about your dislike for Clark and Vincent....lol.

Never said people can't have their own opinions and ideas. I am just pointing out that I believe they are wrong if they think Vincent is the right coach for the future.

What is your opinion? Or are you just going to call me and other posters out for our opinions without stating yours?

But you did say people "need" to stop worshipping Clark as a football god. The man saved UAB Football so you put some "spect" on his name!

Personally, I agree with most of you.......Vincent ain't "The Answer UAB"!

There's only one "the answer," and he didn't even play football.. in college at least

I can’t imagine some of you will ever be very happy about UAB football. This program isn’t going to be “the next” whatever as you want to define it. Neither is any other program, either, and the the ones you will cite as examples will soon enough fall down too. Sustainability of performance above historical levels is exceedingly rare. It usually ends in one of four ways:

1) elite, transformative player uses up eligibility
2) great coach takes bigger job.
3) bad hire is made and things fall apart quickly.
4) fan bases forgets who they are, runs off solid coach to chase whatever the ridiculous next level expectations minus the commitment or structure to back up the delusions, and they wreck their program. Southern Miss, East Carolina and USF say hi as recent examples but I could list 20 others.

UAB in its prior history was a 4-win kind of football program and that is absolutely the result one would expect based on the commitment level allowed. In its return it is an 8-win kind of program, thus far, and has the infrastructure to remain so. Maybe even a little higher for a short period until we hit 1, 2, 3 or 4.First have to land 1 — we have never had that player yet in the program — and maybe 2 and that might take a few tries. I believe UAB football is now consistently capable of being the program we have seen during the Return but it is an ongoing process and a bad hire could just as easily wreck everything as a good one could sustain or improve it.

East Carolina fans thought John Thompson was a terrific hire until he wasn’t and they were going 1-11 and still not back to where Steve Logan had them two decades ago.

South Florida thought beating Power 5 teams under Skip Holtz sucked until they ended up where they are now losing 11 straight FBS games.

Southern Miss got sick of going to bowl games under Jeff Bower but then couldn’t even win a game just a few years later with ELLLLLLLLLLis Johnson.

The next hire is roll of the dice no matter who it is, is very unlikely to lead to long-standing grandeur. Say what you will about the AD but he isn’t going to listen to people on either side who know less about hiring a coach than the guy who cuts his hair.

(10-18-2022 02:59 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  If our program became a revolving door of coaches taking P5 jobs, would that not allude to having success? That sounds better than losing half our staff to Troy, Georgia southern, the USFL.

The odds of that happening are not great. Please point me to me all these examples. Most are one-offs because at this level sustained success is rare. Boise State does not count. They are an island unto themselves in the Pacific Northwest for the talent pool available to them. They aren’t recruiting against 20 schools in their own region for the bulk of their d1 history. That doesn’t exist in other areas of the country. Every else has some nice hits and some big misses. Including everyone’s favorite UCF, who also is an outlier with more than $25 million in student fees per year available to support athletics. UCF is the model and I am old enough to remember when they were losing 18 games in a row. Please let me know when UAB surpasses 60,000 students and relocates to the center of the college football recruiting paradise so that we can promote that to candidates accordingly. Or maybe Mark Ingram begins that with a great hire. We ain’t there yet.

UCF got very fortunate, but you only have to drive 75 minutes down the interstate to see a school with similar advantages getting it wrong multiple times.

(10-18-2022 11:47 AM)BlazinBham Wrote:  Um, when you have 11k followers and run one of the Facebook groups, that is campaigning.

Perhaps. But there is no one who is more irrelevant as a fan/booster/insider/UAB expert, as much as he may think otherwise. Zero influence on anyone who pays attention.

(10-18-2022 03:18 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  So, when we go back to discussing that we aren’t the same program that we were, during the last coaching change. What makes people think that we’d become a revolving door being in the top G5 league with maybe five to six, 9-10 seasons in a row, away from being the next P5 addition?

I’m not scared to be great if it costs us a season or 2. That goes back to the Volker quote.

We, right now, have the guy at the helm that as of June 23rd, many didn’t want to return. Why keep him, because of a recruit or 2 that isn’t even signed yet? Lol.

We did that with hoops and how long did that take us to recover from the damage done?

Man, bring on, WKU.

Complacent ass folks.

Lol…. I nominate you to be the next head coach, recruiting coordinater, the offensive line coach, the offensive coordinator, the band director, the AD and heck you can replace Ray too. I cannot wait for all the success to follow. I am sure you will dazzle us with brilliance and 12 win seasons, and if not, well, I am sure we can pass around the hat and offer you a nice buyout and a best seat in the house batch of wings hand delivered by Speedy from Buffalo Wild Wings

I am sure you could. I mean what can’t you do? First it was just knowing who to recruit that the coaches don’t know, and by yesterday you had the offensive line rotation all figured out including who would enter the portal. My goodness, forget UAB, you should pick the lottery numbers and be the new coach at Auburn, too.

(10-18-2022 02:56 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  I can’t imagine some of you will ever be very happy about UAB football. This program isn’t going to be “the next” whatever as you want to define it. Neither is any other program, either, and the the ones you will cite as examples will soon enough fall down too. Sustainability of performance above historical levels is exceedingly rare. It usually ends in one of four ways:

1) elite, transformative player uses up eligibility
2) great coach takes bigger job.
3) bad hire is made and things fall apart quickly.
4) fan bases forgets who they are, runs off solid coach to chase whatever the ridiculous next level expectations minus the commitment or structure to back up the delusions, and they wreck their program. Southern Miss, East Carolina and USF say hi as recent examples but I could list 20 others.

UAB in its prior history was a 4-win kind of football program and that is absolutely the result one would expect based on the commitment level allowed. In its return it is an 8-win kind of program, thus far, and has the infrastructure to remain so. Maybe even a little higher for a short period until we hit 1, 2, 3 or 4.First have to land 1 — we have never had that player yet in the program — and maybe 2 and that might take a few tries. I believe UAB football is now consistently capable of being the program we have seen during the Return but it is an ongoing process and a bad hire could just as easily wreck everything as a good one could sustain or improve it.

East Carolina fans thought John Thompson was a terrific hire until he wasn’t and they were going 1-11 and still not back to where Steve Logan had them two decades ago.

South Florida thought beating Power 5 teams under Skip Holtz sucked until they ended up where they are now losing 11 straight FBS games.

Southern Miss got sick of going to bowl games under Jeff Bower but then couldn’t even win a game just a few years later with ELLLLLLLLLLis Johnson.

The next hire is roll of the dice no matter who it is, is very unlikely to lead to long-standing grandeur. Say what you will about the AD but he isn’t going to listen to people on either side who know less about hiring a coach than the guy who cuts his hair.

This is exactly the type of thinking BlazerJay was refuting with this line:

"To stick with an assistant coach of a program that has plateaued just for the sake of continuity is short-sighted and honestly a fearful, losers mentality."

I do not accept that the last 5 1/2 seasons are the best UAB football fans can hope for. We can do better and we must do better if we are ever to truly become Birmingham's Team.

Oh BS. I have not even said Vincent should be the choice. There should be a national search and if he proves to be it, so be it. If not, fine too. All I know for sure is that that there is no one in the fan bases and especially on this board with a clue who that will be or a say in it at all.

Anyone expecting UAB (or anyone else similar) to become some national power is delusional. It rarely happens for longer than brief periods. It won’t happen for UCF or Cincinnati either. Over the long hall, all return to the mean. For programs with similar resources, uab would be far ahead of curve to consistently be an 8-win kind of team with the occasional outlier. We will be fortunate to enjoy several of those kinds of outlier seasons in our lifetimes, reality is more like we will be fortunate to experience a couple.

That isn’t low expectations because I expect uab to always pursue it but reality and wishing are different worlds.

(10-18-2022 03:24 PM)bftb Wrote:  

(10-18-2022 11:47 AM)BlazinBham Wrote:  Um, when you have 11k followers and run one of the Facebook groups, that is campaigning.

Perhaps. But there is no one who is more irrelevant as a fan/booster/insider/UAB expert, as much as he may think otherwise. Zero influence on anyone who pays attention.

Oof…

(10-18-2022 05:26 PM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  Oh BS. I have not even said Vincent should be the choice. There should be a national search and if he proves to be it, so be it. If not, fine too. All I know for sure is that that there is no one in the fan bases and especially on this board with a clue who that will be or a say in it at all.

Anyone expecting UAB (or anyone else similar) to become some national power is delusional. It rarely happens for longer than brief periods. It won’t happen for UCF or Cincinnati either. Over the long hall, all return to the mean. For programs with similar resources, uab would be far ahead of curve to consistently be an 8-win kind of team with the occasional outlier. We will be fortunate to enjoy several of those kinds of outlier seasons in our lifetimes, reality is more like we will be fortunate to experience a couple.

That isn’t low expectations because I expect uab to always pursue it but reality and wishing are different worlds.

If UAB hires Vincent, then we aren't pursuing anything beyond mediocrity. Before this season he wouldn't have been on a single FBS schools candidate list. BlazerJay's excellent description still fits. Long winded rationalizing posts on the matter amount to just so much Loser Talk. You seem perfectly willing to settle and dream far too little dreams.

No I understand the long game and that sometimes, in context of things around you and other choices and circumstances, you make a safe hire (notice I didn’t say VIncent either) for the short term to build for the future because it is a smarter, more pragmatic choice than a riskier one that wins Twitter. Bill Clark was a *safe* hire, BTW. No one was beating down his door either and he took a 3 year contract