(10-14-2022 01:09 PM)Poster Wrote:  USF was talking about the possibility of creating a Big Four in Florida at the time. Lol.

They were not just talking. They bought billboards on I-4 welcoming themselves to the new Florida Big 4...... we all know it was a dig to UCF at the time....... no different from this entire thread being a dig at USF. Honestly, over the past few years after UCF moved onto the Big 12, it just isn't fun poking at USF anymore. It was fun at first, but no longer is. They have had enough and have been tormented enough.

(08-22-2023 07:37 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 12:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:43 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  USF and UCF just seem better together. I find the rivalry very amusing.

UCF enrollment: 70,406
FSU enrollment: 45,493

UCF is just a tick below FSU academically. They have 50% more students. They just joined the big 12. UCF has been ranked 3 times since the last time FSU ended the season ranked.

UCF: close academically to FSU
UCF: competitive athletically to FSU
UCF: 50% more students than FSU
UCF: about to have 14 years with similar athletic revenues to FSU

Who knows what happens in 2036? Maybe the SEC decides that UCF is the better program and Brand by then.

They're not a "tick below" FSU. FSU is #19 public; UCF is #64 in USNWR (we've got to start somewhere). FSU opened its doors in 1857; UCF in 1968. Average SAT: FSU 1370; UCF 1259. Etc. But UCF is a fine school and...who knows...in 50 or 100 years it might be better than both FSU and UF.

Your contempt for FSU is pretty bizarre being an A&M guy (I don't put 2 seconds thinking about your school aside from saving us from Jimbo)...there's got to be a back-story!

I don't think FSU's average SAT score is 1370. It's actually 1270 or a a tad better than UCF.

https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleg...quirements

https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleg...scores-GPA

(10-19-2022 11:23 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 10:00 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:43 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  USF and UCF just seem better together. I find the rivalry very amusing.

They are two peas in a pod, just like UF and FSU.

They'll re-unite in Conference #3 with the potential to be one of the better rivalries Yormark will have.

USF just needs to stay focused on moving forward with the on-campus stadium and finally hire a coach worth a toot

Yeah Big 12 should have added all the large public American schools with USF, Memphis, Temple, and ECU. Even if you paid those four a lesser amount they would have taken it. Would had allowed for some more regional and buffer teams and some good size fan bases.
BIG XVI (16)
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston

BYU
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Kansas

Iowa State
Memphis
Cincinnati
West Virginia

Temple
ECU
UCF
USF

No thanks. It wouldn't have been as easy to incorporate the 4C's with this bloated conference concept of yours.

(10-14-2022 10:53 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  EDIT: Dedicating this thread to mean Tweets from McMurphy (one of the nations most respected College Football Insiders) that target USF.

—-
OP:
He starts just trolling USF.

Then realized he was a little too obvious and expanded it to all of college football and the BCS System.

I’m convinced someone at USF hurt McMurphy while he was at the Tampa Tribune. Maybe he had a bad confrontation with Jim Leavitt himself.

McMurphy broke both the USF blocking UCF story and the Jim Leavitt hits his players story.

I remember reading Bulls fans thought McMurphy had a vendetta with the program before and brushing it off but he’s actually been pretty consistent.

Yeah, clearly trolling. First tweet is pretty misleading, they were 79-73 from that exact date until 2019. They’ve gone 6-26 since, which is why their record is so bad overall

(08-22-2023 08:30 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:37 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 12:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:43 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  USF and UCF just seem better together. I find the rivalry very amusing.

UCF enrollment: 70,406
FSU enrollment: 45,493

UCF is just a tick below FSU academically. They have 50% more students. They just joined the big 12. UCF has been ranked 3 times since the last time FSU ended the season ranked.

UCF: close academically to FSU
UCF: competitive athletically to FSU
UCF: 50% more students than FSU
UCF: about to have 14 years with similar athletic revenues to FSU

Who knows what happens in 2036? Maybe the SEC decides that UCF is the better program and Brand by then.

They're not a "tick below" FSU. FSU is #19 public; UCF is #64 in USNWR (we've got to start somewhere). FSU opened its doors in 1857; UCF in 1968. Average SAT: FSU 1370; UCF 1259. Etc. But UCF is a fine school and...who knows...in 50 or 100 years it might be better than both FSU and UF.

Your contempt for FSU is pretty bizarre being an A&M guy (I don't put 2 seconds thinking about your school aside from saving us from Jimbo)...there's got to be a back-story!

I don't think FSU's average SAT score is 1370. It's actually 1270 or a a tad better than UCF.

https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleg...quirements

https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleg...scores-GPA

1370 for the 2023 FSU incoming class. I wouldn't get accepted if I was applying today. Your "prepscholar" links don't very clearly specify which year. That data is old.

https://news.fsu.edu/news/students-campu...s-to-rise/

(08-22-2023 08:41 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 08:30 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:37 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 12:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:43 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  USF and UCF just seem better together. I find the rivalry very amusing.

UCF enrollment: 70,406
FSU enrollment: 45,493

UCF is just a tick below FSU academically. They have 50% more students. They just joined the big 12. UCF has been ranked 3 times since the last time FSU ended the season ranked.

UCF: close academically to FSU
UCF: competitive athletically to FSU
UCF: 50% more students than FSU
UCF: about to have 14 years with similar athletic revenues to FSU

Who knows what happens in 2036? Maybe the SEC decides that UCF is the better program and Brand by then.

They're not a "tick below" FSU. FSU is #19 public; UCF is #64 in USNWR (we've got to start somewhere). FSU opened its doors in 1857; UCF in 1968. Average SAT: FSU 1370; UCF 1259. Etc. But UCF is a fine school and...who knows...in 50 or 100 years it might be better than both FSU and UF.

Your contempt for FSU is pretty bizarre being an A&M guy (I don't put 2 seconds thinking about your school aside from saving us from Jimbo)...there's got to be a back-story!

I don't think FSU's average SAT score is 1370. It's actually 1270 or a a tad better than UCF.

https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleg...quirements

https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleg...scores-GPA

1370 for the 2023 FSU incoming class. I wouldn't get accepted if I was applying today. Your "prepscholar" links don't very clearly specify which year. That data is old.

https://news.fsu.edu/news/students-campu...s-to-rise/

How about US News and reports

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/flo...rsity-1489

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucf-3954

which puts them at practically the same SAT range
1180-1340 (FSU)
1170-1350 (UCF)

And if you want to make it apples to apples than rather than comparing UCF's 2022 total average to FSU's 2023 self reported incoming Fall freshman class, then UCF's 2023 Fall Freshman class average is 1330.

https://www.ucf.edu/admissions/undergraduate/freshman/

which yes, I agree FSU is a bit harder to get in to than UCF, but not to the extent you are claiming.

Territorial pissings

A real possibility that USF backfills for FSU in ACC, then get poached by the Big 12 when the ACC loses Clemson, Miami etc.

(08-22-2023 08:58 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 08:41 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 08:30 AM)U-C-FKnights Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:37 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 12:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  UCF enrollment: 70,406
FSU enrollment: 45,493

UCF is just a tick below FSU academically. They have 50% more students. They just joined the big 12. UCF has been ranked 3 times since the last time FSU ended the season ranked.

UCF: close academically to FSU
UCF: competitive athletically to FSU
UCF: 50% more students than FSU
UCF: about to have 14 years with similar athletic revenues to FSU

Who knows what happens in 2036? Maybe the SEC decides that UCF is the better program and Brand by then.

They're not a "tick below" FSU. FSU is #19 public; UCF is #64 in USNWR (we've got to start somewhere). FSU opened its doors in 1857; UCF in 1968. Average SAT: FSU 1370; UCF 1259. Etc. But UCF is a fine school and...who knows...in 50 or 100 years it might be better than both FSU and UF.

Your contempt for FSU is pretty bizarre being an A&M guy (I don't put 2 seconds thinking about your school aside from saving us from Jimbo)...there's got to be a back-story!

I don't think FSU's average SAT score is 1370. It's actually 1270 or a a tad better than UCF.

https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleg...quirements

https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleg...scores-GPA

1370 for the 2023 FSU incoming class. I wouldn't get accepted if I was applying today. Your "prepscholar" links don't very clearly specify which year. That data is old.

https://news.fsu.edu/news/students-campu...s-to-rise/

How about US News and reports

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/flo...rsity-1489

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucf-3954

which puts them at practically the same SAT range
1180-1340 (FSU)
1170-1350 (UCF)

And if you want to make it apples to apples than rather than comparing UCF's 2022 total average to FSU's 2023 self reported incoming Fall freshman class, then UCF's 2023 Fall Freshman class average is 1330.

https://www.ucf.edu/admissions/undergraduate/freshman/

which yes, I agree FSU is a bit harder to get in to than UCF, but not to the extent you are claiming.

That's not 2023 admissions data.

(10-14-2022 10:53 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  EDIT: Dedicating this thread to mean Tweets from McMurphy (one of the nations most respected College Football Insiders) that target USF.

—-
OP:
He starts just trolling USF.

Then realized he was a little too obvious and expanded it to all of college football and the BCS System.

I’m convinced someone at USF hurt McMurphy while he was at the Tampa Tribune. Maybe he had a bad confrontation with Jim Leavitt himself.

McMurphy broke both the USF blocking UCF story and the Jim Leavitt hits his players story.

I remember reading Bulls fans thought McMurphy had a vendetta with the program before and brushing it off but he’s actually been pretty consistent.

Or, perhaps he's just more aware of events in that part of the country since he worked in Tampa (and presumably still lives in the area?). And, let's face it, USF has not exactly wowed the socks off the P54 over the past 16 years, while their closest rivals, UCF, have made all the right moves and just got promoted. It's an easy comparison to make, and it doesn't reflect well on USF.

(10-14-2022 05:12 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Kansas went 12-1 in 2007.

Yeah, but they had a real football coach back then, whom they promptly fired b/c he was hurting people's feelings by yelling at them in an angry tone of voice. Self would have gotten a raise for that sort of behavior. Self couldn't even get in trouble with the school when the FBI caught him funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars of pre-NIL funds to prospects.

(10-15-2022 08:06 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

On January 8, 2010, Leavitt was fired after an investigation by USF officials found that he had struck a player in the locker room during halftime of a game against Louisville the previous November 21. Leavitt claimed he was merely trying to console the player and never struck him. School officials found that Leavitt was not truthful about what happened, and also found that he had interfered with the investigation.[7] ESPN's Ivan Maisel reported that Leavitt's interference, which included telling several players and coaches to change their stories, was the biggest factor in the decision to fire him.

Looks like Leavitt was a standup guy. He never got another head coaching job after that, despite the fantastic job he did on the field. Pride cometh before the fall.

(08-22-2023 07:26 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:58 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:47 AM)Mav Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 01:14 PM)Poster Wrote:  Does anybody except for USF, Auburn and West Virginia fans remember USF being at #2? It was pretty remarkable that they achieved that about 10 years after starting their program. But now it's become almost completely forgotten, due to all the other wild storylines in 2007. It probably would still be remembered if it had occurred almost any other year.

UCF has sure gotten its revenge on USF with how they're headed to the Big 12, USF isn't, and there's no evidence that USF is even being considered by the Big 12.

Next year, USF will be the last team in the Big East version 2.0 who will be in the AAC. (Temple is the last team from the Big East 1.0 version who's in the AAC.)

No, it looked like they were going to be a strong program in the '00s, then they fell off hard for whatever reason. If they kept their momentum going, they'd be in UCF's position right now.

The Big East losing power conference status had a lot to do with their decline. As did firing Jim Leavitt. It's not that hard to figure out USF's decline.

And Renu Khator leaves USF for Houston in November 2007. I think Dr. Khator had a huge hand in UH moving up to the Big 12.

He was just a cog in Tillman Fertitta's wheel. Anything and everything about UH's rise to the P4 starts with Fertitta.

Face it folks, sportswriters today have much more in common with Max Mercy than they do Grantland Rice.

(10-14-2022 05:12 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Kansas went 12-1 in 2007.

And then fired the HC two seasons later, thus initiating the worst decade of football in the school's history.

(08-22-2023 11:29 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 05:12 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Kansas went 12-1 in 2007.

Yeah, but they had a real football coach back then, whom they promptly fired b/c he was hurting people's feelings by yelling at them in an angry tone of voice. Self would have gotten a raise for that sort of behavior. Self couldn't even get in trouble with the school when the FBI caught him funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars of pre-NIL funds to prospects.

You must not have read those trial transcripts.

(08-22-2023 11:36 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:26 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:58 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:47 AM)Mav Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 01:14 PM)Poster Wrote:  Does anybody except for USF, Auburn and West Virginia fans remember USF being at #2? It was pretty remarkable that they achieved that about 10 years after starting their program. But now it's become almost completely forgotten, due to all the other wild storylines in 2007. It probably would still be remembered if it had occurred almost any other year.

UCF has sure gotten its revenge on USF with how they're headed to the Big 12, USF isn't, and there's no evidence that USF is even being considered by the Big 12.

Next year, USF will be the last team in the Big East version 2.0 who will be in the AAC. (Temple is the last team from the Big East 1.0 version who's in the AAC.)

No, it looked like they were going to be a strong program in the '00s, then they fell off hard for whatever reason. If they kept their momentum going, they'd be in UCF's position right now.

The Big East losing power conference status had a lot to do with their decline. As did firing Jim Leavitt. It's not that hard to figure out USF's decline.

And Renu Khator leaves USF for Houston in November 2007. I think Dr. Khator had a huge hand in UH moving up to the Big 12.

He was just a cog in Tillman Fertitta's wheel. Anything and everything about UH's rise to the P4 starts with Fertitta.

No doubt that Fertitta’s funding is a big part. But Khator created the environment for this to all happen and I think she plays a large part in the culture over on Cullen Boulevard.

(10-14-2022 01:14 PM)Poster Wrote:  Does anybody except for USF, Auburn and West Virginia fans remember USF being at #2? It was pretty remarkable that they achieved that about 10 years after starting their program. But now it's become almost completely forgotten, due to all the other wild storylines in 2007. It probably would still be remembered if it had occurred almost any other year.

UCF has sure gotten its revenge on USF with how they're headed to the Big 12, USF isn't, and there's no evidence that USF is even being considered by the Big 12.

Next year, USF will be the last team in the Big East version 2.0 who will be in the AAC. (Temple is the last team from the Big East 1.0 version who's in the AAC.)

I did. It was a wild year. Rutgers even cracked the top 10. And it was a wild carousel around the 1 and 2 spot. LSU lost twice in triple OT as #1-to UK-who also cracked the top 10 that year, and Arkansas.

(08-22-2023 07:48 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:01 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  "Big" four in Florida???

Well, let's see. There's... uhhhh... Florida, I guess. And... uhhhh...

I GIVE.

State of FL football was very much a johnny-come-lately. Miami (multiple) and FSU had NC's before UF finally became a national program. The gators were an SEC bottom-feeder that didn't even crack the AP Top 10 for the first time until the tail-end of the last century. But they're a solid #3 in football in the Sunshine State! I'm rooting for the Knights to climb into that spot in the coming years...hopefully before the sun starts to set on college football.

All 3 are legit BIG schools and have modern era hardware, players, epic games and highlight reels (especially FSU and Miami) that beat or equal any program out there save Bama.

You are exaggerating the weakness of UF's history. Don't you remember hearing about that Heisman winner Steve Spurrier? His Heisman year they were unbeaten and top 10 until losing to Georgia. Its why he always hated UGA and would run up the score if he got the chance.

(08-22-2023 01:11 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 11:36 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2023 07:26 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:58 AM)Poster Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:47 AM)Mav Wrote:  No, it looked like they were going to be a strong program in the '00s, then they fell off hard for whatever reason. If they kept their momentum going, they'd be in UCF's position right now.

The Big East losing power conference status had a lot to do with their decline. As did firing Jim Leavitt. It's not that hard to figure out USF's decline.

And Renu Khator leaves USF for Houston in November 2007. I think Dr. Khator had a huge hand in UH moving up to the Big 12.

He was just a cog in Tillman Fertitta's wheel. Anything and everything about UH's rise to the P4 starts with Fertitta.

No doubt that Fertitta’s funding is a big part. But Khator created the environment for this to all happen and I think she plays a large part in the culture over on Cullen Boulevard.

She did a lot in helping USF's rise to eventual AAU status.