(10-12-2022 11:32 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 10:15 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 10:06 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FUTURE TRAVEL PARTNERS

Kennesaw St.-- JSU- 1hr 30 min-87 miles

WKU----MT-- ------- 1hr 45 min-100 miles

UTEP---NMSU------- 37 min-- 41 miles

La Tech---SHSU----- 4 hrs 13 min-- 258 miles

Liberty, FIU (sorry)

It's not sorry for Liberty or FIU. It's sorry for the rest of us.

So, you probably want to find a school close to each one of them which would get us to 12, right?

But then u will blame her for not getting a decent media deal

Gimme Missouri St., EKU, N.C. A&T and then you can tack on any western school you want. I am interested in Jackson St. (It’s west of me at least.)

(10-13-2022 08:20 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 11:32 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 10:15 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 10:06 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FUTURE TRAVEL PARTNERS

Kennesaw St.-- JSU- 1hr 30 min-87 miles

WKU----MT-- ------- 1hr 45 min-100 miles

UTEP---NMSU------- 37 min-- 41 miles

La Tech---SHSU----- 4 hrs 13 min-- 258 miles

Liberty, FIU (sorry)

It's not sorry for Liberty or FIU. It's sorry for the rest of us.

So, you probably want to find a school close to each one of them which would get us to 12, right?

But then u will blame her for not getting a decent media deal

I don't believe I've ever blamed her for anything. Most of our conference problems started when Banowski was commissioner. He and the CUSA board are responsible for leaving espn which was a big mistake. Judy inherited that mess and now she has a tough situation to deal with. I hope she does well by us.

(10-13-2022 09:31 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-13-2022 08:20 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 11:32 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 10:15 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 10:06 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FUTURE TRAVEL PARTNERS

Kennesaw St.-- JSU- 1hr 30 min-87 miles

WKU----MT-- ------- 1hr 45 min-100 miles

UTEP---NMSU------- 37 min-- 41 miles

La Tech---SHSU----- 4 hrs 13 min-- 258 miles

Liberty, FIU (sorry)

It's not sorry for Liberty or FIU. It's sorry for the rest of us.

So, you probably want to find a school close to each one of them which would get us to 12, right?

But then u will blame her for not getting a decent media deal

I don't believe I've ever blamed her for anything. Most of our conference problems started when Banowski was commissioner. He and the CUSA board are responsible for leaving espn which was a big mistake. Judy inherited that mess and now she has a tough situation to deal with. I hope she does well by us.

From reading the board appears most of the problems have left with the shuffling of teams

(10-13-2022 09:31 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-13-2022 08:20 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 11:32 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 10:15 PM)inutech Wrote:  It's not sorry for Liberty or FIU. It's sorry for the rest of us.

So, you probably want to find a school close to each one of them which would get us to 12, right?

But then u will blame her for not getting a decent media deal

I don't believe I've ever blamed her for anything. Most of our conference problems started when Banowski was commissioner. He and the CUSA board are responsible for leaving espn which was a big mistake. Judy inherited that mess and now she has a tough situation to deal with. I hope she does well by us.

IIRC, Judy was one of the people in charge of media negotiations during the ESPN debacle. She wasn't top dog, but was an assistant director or something to that effect. She doesn't get to completely escape blame for that one.

So far, the management of the league post apocalypse has been solid. We haven't over extended our membership (yet), and the additions have all been sensible. If media partners demand a 10th for inventory and want a market then KSU is a sensible add. If they require 12 or 14 members then they better be cutting us each a heck of a check. How much more can FCS additions really add to the total pot in addition to their own cut of the payout? I can't imagine it is much if anything (would require the FCS add to be more valuable in media dollars than existing and established FBS programs which seems unlikely for all except maybe NDSU who have developed a solid brand).

Missouri State, EKU, Delaware, N.C. A&T, Chattanooga, Jackson St., S.F. Austin, Tarleton St., Central Arkansas, etc…..

If/when we expand again, who/how do you want the divisions being split?

N.M. State
UTEP
Sam Houston St.
La. Tech
FIU
Missouri St.
Jackson St.

WKU
MTSU
Jacksonville St.
Liberty
Kennesaw St.
N.C. A&T
EKU

I think it’s on record, that Mo. St. wants to wait on a SBC invite to materialize. But that doesn’t appear to be coming anytime soon. Why wouldn’t Mo. St. take the opportunity to become FBS in C-USA, establish their program, and use FBS and C-USA as an audition for the Sunbelt if that’s what they want. Seems like that works out for everyone.

I think it’s intriguing that C-USA could be the first to offer FBS status to the HBCUs if that is what they want and their programs are ready. It could be seen as a smart move.

As far as EKU, as a Kentuckian, I just want another FBS team in the state. Plus it gives me another shot to see Liberty play in person.

The problem with the divisions, with the teams I want, is that FIU is the odd man out. The others kinda fit geographically, except FIU.

I gave Delaware a thought, but that just stretches to far northeast for my taste. It’s in the northern most part of Delaware.

(10-14-2022 01:22 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Missouri State, EKU, Delaware, N.C. A&T, Chattanooga, Jackson St., S.F. Austin, Tarleton St., Central Arkansas, etc…..

If/when we expand again, who/how do you want the divisions being split?

N.M. State
UTEP
Sam Houston St.
La. Tech
FIU
Missouri St.
Jackson St.

WKU
MTSU
Jacksonville St.
Liberty
Kennesaw St.
N.C. A&T
EKU

Hard opposed to 14 (obs), but if you gave me this group and asked what divisions I'd prefer?

Inner:
Tech
SHSU
WKU
MTSU
JSU
Missouri St.
EKU

Outer:
Liberty
FIU
KSU
UTEP
NMSU
NCAT
other JSU



I don't care which JSU you want to go either place. And you could swap KSU and EKU if you want.

(10-14-2022 01:22 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Missouri State, EKU, Delaware, N.C. A&T, Chattanooga, Jackson St., S.F. Austin, Tarleton St., Central Arkansas, etc…..

If/when we expand again, who/how do you want the divisions being split?

N.M. State
UTEP
Sam Houston St.
La. Tech
FIU
Missouri St.
Jackson St.

WKU
MTSU
Jacksonville St.
Liberty
Kennesaw St.
N.C. A&T
EKU

I think it’s on record, that Mo. St. wants to wait on a SBC invite to materialize. But that doesn’t appear to be coming anytime soon. Why wouldn’t Mo. St. take the opportunity to become FBS in C-USA, establish their program, and use FBS and C-USA as an audition for the Sunbelt if that’s what they want. Seems like that works out for everyone.

I think it’s intriguing that C-USA could be the first to offer FBS status to the HBCUs if that is what they want and their programs are ready. It could be seen as a smart move.

As far as EKU, as a Kentuckian, I just want another FBS team in the state. Plus it gives me another shot to see Liberty play in person.

The problem with the divisions, with the teams I want, is that FIU is the odd man out. The others kinda fit geographically, except FIU.

I gave Delaware a thought, but that just stretches to far northeast for my taste. It’s in the northern most part of Delaware.

There is only one HBCU that have the budget to make it happen and that is NC A&T, but they will not come unless there is another HBCU that comes along with them.

inutech, I know you only want 9, but it looks like we have 10, and may go to 12. I very seriously doubt we go to 14. What 12 do you want? And do you still want an inny and an outy division?

(10-14-2022 01:50 PM)army56mike Wrote:  inutech, I know you only want 9, but it looks like we have 10, and may go to 12. I very seriously doubt we go to 14. What 12 do you want? And do you still want an inny and an outy division?

Yeah, they forgot to ask my preferences on this for some reason.

If we end up with 10 (as it seems), I guess you copy the old SB with sort of "divisions" as far as who you miss every year (it doesn't make sense to rotate through completely, you never want 100 miles of hate missing each other or UTEP/NMSU). I'd think you'd keep this informal (more like the circa 2002 WAC rather than the circa 2021 SB) so your best two teams play in a championship game rather than official divisional champs. But again, they don't always ask me.

If we go to 12, I think all the realistic choices are more or less a wash. I can't see clear differences between most of them for the conference overall. Obviously SFA is better for SHSU and Tech than EKU, at least for proximity. The conference would never go for an inny and outy set-up (because the "outy" teams would rightfully vote it down, just like the western teams aren't going to stand for being stuck with FIU).

To get an E/W divide, I guess Tech would want two more teams farther west. They wouldn't necessarily have to be to the west of us, but that's probably what NMSU and UTEP would prefer.

A worst case scenario (and a good argument for sticking small as long as possible so you can see what happens) would be losing one of NMSU/UTEP to another conference (same, I guess for any of the "inner" schools). As an argument for sticking with 9 (or 10 I guess), the idea would be that you can make better choices (at least for geography) if you know who you're replacing. You could either tighten up or re-add a travel partner or you'd know if getting back into a big media market would be important, etc.

I agree taking the best teams, only need for more western teams would be for divisions if going to 12. I think the 3+4 model would work with division-less. Assume SFA or Tarleton is one of the 12

IE:
Team P1 P2 P3
FIU - LIB JSU team12
KSU - LIB JSU Team12
La Tech - LIB MTSU WKU
Lib - FIU LA Tech KSU
JSU - FIU KSU WKU
MTSU - WKU LA Tech Team 12
NMSU- SHSU UTEP TX2
SHSU - NMSU UTEP TX2
TX 2 - NMSU UTEP SHSU
Team 12 - FIU MTSU KSU
WKU - MTSU LA Tech JSU
UTEP - NMSU SHSU TX2