(10-05-2022 01:14 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:09 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  No offense but Trump ran on putting in originalists and textualists on the SCOTUS. Most of the ones he listed believed Roe did not qualify as Stare Decisis. If they had done more research then they should have voted for Hillary.

I don't disagree. That being said, Roe v Wade was very much popular among women in this country. It still is. They view the change as a Republican viewpoint, especially since it is the Republicans in the states who are banning it outright or putting heavy restrictions on when it can be done. It is an issue for Republicans nationally and at the state level.

You’re taking conventional wisdom and applying it broadly. I’m sure there are many women in my neighborhood who feel the same way as the women you described. No doubt that is true. The republican messaging has been pretty bad though. 15 weeks is the benchmark from the Dobbs decision. That’s a reasonable amount of time to decide in a pro life state like Mississippi.

(10-05-2022 01:31 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:14 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:09 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  No offense but Trump ran on putting in originalists and textualists on the SCOTUS. Most of the ones he listed believed Roe did not qualify as Stare Decisis. If they had done more research then they should have voted for Hillary.

I don't disagree. That being said, Roe v Wade was very much popular among women in this country. It still is. They view the change as a Republican viewpoint, especially since it is the Republicans in the states who are banning it outright or putting heavy restrictions on when it can be done. It is an issue for Republicans nationally and at the state level.

You’re taking conventional wisdom and applying it broadly. I’m sure there are many women in my neighborhood who feel the same way as the women you described. No doubt that is true. The republican messaging has been pretty bad though. 15 weeks is the benchmark from the Dobbs decision. That’s a reasonable amount of time to decide in a pro life state like Mississippi.

https://reproductiverights.org/case/scot...ssissippi/
"On June 27, 2022, the Mississippi Attorney General certified the state’s trigger ban, which bans all abortions except to save the life of the pregnant person, or in cases of rape or incest that have been reported to law enforcement, following the U.S. Supreme Courts decision to overturn Roe v. Wade in the case Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. After being challenged in court, the trigger ban is currently in effect."
15 weeks, nah you just decided to lie about Mississippi.

(10-05-2022 01:42 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:31 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:14 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:09 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  No offense but Trump ran on putting in originalists and textualists on the SCOTUS. Most of the ones he listed believed Roe did not qualify as Stare Decisis. If they had done more research then they should have voted for Hillary.

I don't disagree. That being said, Roe v Wade was very much popular among women in this country. It still is. They view the change as a Republican viewpoint, especially since it is the Republicans in the states who are banning it outright or putting heavy restrictions on when it can be done. It is an issue for Republicans nationally and at the state level.

You’re taking conventional wisdom and applying it broadly. I’m sure there are many women in my neighborhood who feel the same way as the women you described. No doubt that is true. The republican messaging has been pretty bad though. 15 weeks is the benchmark from the Dobbs decision. That’s a reasonable amount of time to decide in a pro life state like Mississippi.

https://reproductiverights.org/case/scot...ssissippi/
"On June 27, 2022, the Mississippi Attorney General certified the state’s trigger ban, which bans all abortions except to save the life of the pregnant person, or in cases of rape or incest that have been reported to law enforcement, following the U.S. Supreme Courts decision to overturn Roe v. Wade in the case Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. After being challenged in court, the trigger ban is currently in effect."
15 weeks, nah you just decided to lie about Mississippi.

How did I lie? Dobbs was about when a heartbeat is detected (usually 15 weeks)...

I never said 15 weeks is the law in every pro life state. I believe Florida is, but some states will have more restrictions. If the people don't want that, then they will be voted out so the law will be changed. If the GOP was better at messaging, they would run ads showing what a 15 week fetus looks like as a way of convincing undecided voters.

(10-05-2022 01:57 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:42 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:31 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:14 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:09 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  No offense but Trump ran on putting in originalists and textualists on the SCOTUS. Most of the ones he listed believed Roe did not qualify as Stare Decisis. If they had done more research then they should have voted for Hillary.

I don't disagree. That being said, Roe v Wade was very much popular among women in this country. It still is. They view the change as a Republican viewpoint, especially since it is the Republicans in the states who are banning it outright or putting heavy restrictions on when it can be done. It is an issue for Republicans nationally and at the state level.

You’re taking conventional wisdom and applying it broadly. I’m sure there are many women in my neighborhood who feel the same way as the women you described. No doubt that is true. The republican messaging has been pretty bad though. 15 weeks is the benchmark from the Dobbs decision. That’s a reasonable amount of time to decide in a pro life state like Mississippi.

https://reproductiverights.org/case/scot...ssissippi/
"On June 27, 2022, the Mississippi Attorney General certified the state’s trigger ban, which bans all abortions except to save the life of the pregnant person, or in cases of rape or incest that have been reported to law enforcement, following the U.S. Supreme Courts decision to overturn Roe v. Wade in the case Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. After being challenged in court, the trigger ban is currently in effect."
15 weeks, nah you just decided to lie about Mississippi.

How did I lie? Dobbs was about when a heartbeat is detected (usually 15 weeks)...

I never said 15 weeks is the law in every pro life state. I believe Florida is, but some states will have more restrictions. If the people don't want that, then they will be voted out so the law will be changed. If the GOP was better at messaging, they would run ads showing what a 15 week fetus looks like as a way of convincing undecided voters.

You said it was enough in a state like Mississippi, Mississippi has a ban on everything no matter how many weeks unless of rape, incest, or life of the mother. You straight up lied.

(10-05-2022 12:52 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 11:51 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  This is what happens when libturds choose abortion on the hill to die on. They skyscream and shriek, then go to full blown panic mode when they realize most of the people dont give a sh*t over it and are focused on inflation and trying to find baby formula.

I disagree. I know a lot of women who voted for Trump who are seriously considering abandoning the Republican party because of abortion. I think you are wrong if you think this won't bite the Republican's long term if they don't change their stance. It may or may not affect the mid terms, but I definitely think it will be a major point in 2 years for the Presidential election.

Uhhh, and all those Chardonnay womyns in the burbs expect the Supreme Court to suddenly change their minds on the decision to send it back to the States?

Sure. Keep voting for the current suck, maybe we get a new SC majority in 20-30 years.

Maybe.


Loons gon loon, I guess.

(10-05-2022 02:01 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:57 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:42 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:31 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 01:14 PM)mlb Wrote:  I don't disagree. That being said, Roe v Wade was very much popular among women in this country. It still is. They view the change as a Republican viewpoint, especially since it is the Republicans in the states who are banning it outright or putting heavy restrictions on when it can be done. It is an issue for Republicans nationally and at the state level.

You’re taking conventional wisdom and applying it broadly. I’m sure there are many women in my neighborhood who feel the same way as the women you described. No doubt that is true. The republican messaging has been pretty bad though. 15 weeks is the benchmark from the Dobbs decision. That’s a reasonable amount of time to decide in a pro life state like Mississippi.

https://reproductiverights.org/case/scot...ssissippi/
"On June 27, 2022, the Mississippi Attorney General certified the state’s trigger ban, which bans all abortions except to save the life of the pregnant person, or in cases of rape or incest that have been reported to law enforcement, following the U.S. Supreme Courts decision to overturn Roe v. Wade in the case Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. After being challenged in court, the trigger ban is currently in effect."
15 weeks, nah you just decided to lie about Mississippi.

How did I lie? Dobbs was about when a heartbeat is detected (usually 15 weeks)...

I never said 15 weeks is the law in every pro life state. I believe Florida is, but some states will have more restrictions. If the people don't want that, then they will be voted out so the law will be changed. If the GOP was better at messaging, they would run ads showing what a 15 week fetus looks like as a way of convincing undecided voters.

You said it was enough in a state like Mississippi, Mississippi has a ban on everything no matter how many weeks unless of rape, incest, or life of the mother. You straight up lied.

Everything I said was in the context of SCOTUS and the original case. Obviously many states have trigger laws outlawing it from the beginning. Other states like Florida will have looser restrictions. My actual point that you definitely never read was that the GOP could run on better messaging at what a 15 week old looks like. Most people are simply uneducated or take the Democrat talking points as the gospel.

(10-05-2022 12:57 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  My mom who is a lifelong republican even went so far to call up bill lee's office to say that the abortion ban goes too far.

Do you have a tight relationship with your Dad?

The absolute zeal to kill babies in the womb is one of these things that has baffled me for close to 40 years by now.
I’m not a particularly religious person either, a poor C and E’re more often than not.
Trying to do better, tho.

Think it’s still preferable to having unfettered abortion as my religion instead.

(10-05-2022 02:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:57 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  My mom who is a lifelong republican even went so far to call up bill lee's office to say that the abortion ban goes too far.

Do you have a tight relationship with your Dad?

Work for his company.

(10-05-2022 02:40 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 02:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 12:57 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  My mom who is a lifelong republican even went so far to call up bill lee's office to say that the abortion ban goes too far.

Do you have a tight relationship with your Dad?

Work for his company.

That doesn't mean you are tight with him. But, ok.

Most people I know that are as militantly left as you are, either don't get along with their dad or their dad is a beta male. It's not 100%, but a very high percentage.