The current approach is flawed. Nobody wants a CCG to qualify a team for the playoffs. Nobody wants a CCG to eliminate a team from the playoffs. The conferences want to have a CCG because it makes money. So let's completely forget about the conferences with regard to the playoffs.

Instead imagine a 48-team competition. There would be a group stage with 16 3-team groups. The group winners would advance to a 16-team knockout. The group stage would be played during the regular season. Possible groups are (based on Massey 2021 ratings, the groups are seeded)

(1) Michigan; (2) Texas; (3) LSU
(1) Georgia; (2) UCLA; (3) BYU
(1) Ohio State; (2) Tennessee; (3) Louisiana
(1) Alabama; (2) Texas Tech; (3) Houston

(1) Baylor; (2) NC State; (3) Arizona State
(1) Oklahoma State; (2) Wake Forest; (3) Nebraska
(1) Cincinnati; (2) Auburn; (3) West Virginia
(1) Oklahoma; (2) Oregon; (3) Mississippi State

(1) Michigan State; (2) Pitt; (3) South Carolina
(1) Wisconsin; (2) Texas A&M; (3) AFA
(1) Clemson; (2) Kansas State; (3) Boise State
(1) Notre Dame; (2) Penn State; (3) Florida

(1) Utah; (2) Iowa; (3) Miami(FL)
(1) Mississippi; (2) Minnesota; (3) Utah State
(1) Iowa State; (2) Arkansas; (3) Maryland
(1) Purdue; (2) Kentucky; (3) San Diego State

In each group, (1) hosts (2), (2) hosts (3), and (3) hosts (1). As now, the home team owns the media rights, which they may transfer to their conference.

For example, the SEC would own:

Michigan @ LSU
UCLA @ Georgia
Texas Tech @ Alabama
WVU @ Auburn
Oklahoma @ Mississippi State
Michigan State @ South Carolina
AFA @ Texas A&M
Notre Dame @ Florida
Minnesota @ Mississippi
Maryland @ Arkansas
San Diego State @ Kentucky
Louisiana @ Tennessee

Overall attractive matchups which they will be able to market more than their current content.

The games could be scheduled through the (first part) of the regular season. Let's say the 48 games were spread over 8 weeks, that would be 6 per week. The schools might be permitted to schedule the games, with the CPB committee helping to resolve any conflicts.

With 3-team groups, there can either be a clear 2-0, 1-1, 0-2 standing; or a 3-way tie at 1-1. This might be resolved based on points scored v. points allowed; or perhaps counting 3 points for a regulation win, 2 for an overtime win, 1 for an overtime loss, and 0 for a regulation loss.

Or for fun we could have a 3-way play-in using the overtime rules. In each round, the offense from each school would go against the defense of the each other school. That is, each team gets two chances to score points.

If two teams remained tied, they could continue using conventional OT rules.

Since the 16 playoff teams would be determined relatively early in the season, home sites for the first round could be determined several weeks in advance resulting in capacity stadiums.

You’ve basically reduced the regular season to 2 OOC games. That’s not going to fly.

(09-30-2022 09:15 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  You’ve basically reduced the regular season to 2 OOC games. That’s not going to fly.

There still be conference championships and bowl games.

Too similar to Champions League. Whatever Europe does, think the exact opposite in the US.

(09-30-2022 07:06 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  The current approach is flawed. Nobody wants a CCG to qualify a team for the playoffs. Nobody wants a CCG to eliminate a team from the playoffs. The conferences want to have a CCG because it makes money. So let's completely forget about the conferences with regard to the playoffs.

Instead imagine a 48-team competition. There would be a group stage with 16 3-team groups. The group winners would advance to a 16-team knockout. The group stage would be played during the regular season. Possible groups are (based on Massey 2021 ratings, the groups are seeded)

(1) Michigan; (2) Texas; (3) LSU
(1) Georgia; (2) UCLA; (3) BYU
(1) Ohio State; (2) Tennessee; (3) Louisiana
(1) Alabama; (2) Texas Tech; (3) Houston

(1) Baylor; (2) NC State; (3) Arizona State
(1) Oklahoma State; (2) Wake Forest; (3) Nebraska
(1) Cincinnati; (2) Auburn; (3) West Virginia
(1) Oklahoma; (2) Oregon; (3) Mississippi State

(1) Michigan State; (2) Pitt; (3) South Carolina
(1) Wisconsin; (2) Texas A&M; (3) AFA
(1) Clemson; (2) Kansas State; (3) Boise State
(1) Notre Dame; (2) Penn State; (3) Florida

(1) Utah; (2) Iowa; (3) Miami(FL)
(1) Mississippi; (2) Minnesota; (3) Utah State
(1) Iowa State; (2) Arkansas; (3) Maryland
(1) Purdue; (2) Kentucky; (3) San Diego State

In each group, (1) hosts (2), (2) hosts (3), and (3) hosts (1). As now, the home team owns the media rights, which they may transfer to their conference.

For example, the SEC would own:

Michigan @ LSU
UCLA @ Georgia
Texas Tech @ Alabama
WVU @ Auburn
Oklahoma @ Mississippi State
Michigan State @ South Carolina
AFA @ Texas A&M
Notre Dame @ Florida
Minnesota @ Mississippi
Maryland @ Arkansas
San Diego State @ Kentucky
Louisiana @ Tennessee

Overall attractive matchups which they will be able to market more than their current content.

The games could be scheduled through the (first part) of the regular season. Let's say the 48 games were spread over 8 weeks, that would be 6 per week. The schools might be permitted to schedule the games, with the CPB committee helping to resolve any conflicts.

With 3-team groups, there can either be a clear 2-0, 1-1, 0-2 standing; or a 3-way tie at 1-1. This might be resolved based on points scored v. points allowed; or perhaps counting 3 points for a regulation win, 2 for an overtime win, 1 for an overtime loss, and 0 for a regulation loss.

Or for fun we could have a 3-way play-in using the overtime rules. In each round, the offense from each school would go against the defense of the each other school. That is, each team gets two chances to score points.

If two teams remained tied, they could continue using conventional OT rules.

Since the 16 playoff teams would be determined relatively early in the season, home sites for the first round could be determined several weeks in advance resulting in capacity stadiums.

It's an interesting concept. It does offer more inclusion, but unfortunately, more of CFB's tradition is lost. I will just say I don't know. That is being fair to the OP and my views on CFB.

(09-30-2022 10:33 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Too similar to Champions League. Whatever Europe does, think the exact opposite in the US.

It is a knockout playoff, similar to the NCAA baseball tournament - but recognizing that you can't play as many football games as you can baseball.

(10-01-2022 02:04 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  It's an interesting concept. It does offer more inclusion, but unfortunately, more of CFB's tradition is lost. I will just say I don't know. That is being fair to the OP and my views on CFB.

What traditions would be lost?

This would be a hypothetical second tier.

The first group would play:

Syracuse @ UCF
Colorado @ Syracuse
UCF @ Colorado

(1) UCF; (2) Syracuse; (3) Colorado
(1) Appalachian State; (2) Western Michigan; (3) Stanford
(1) Oregon State; (2) Boston College; (3) Indiana
(1) Louisville; (2) Central Michigan; (3) Memphis

(1) Virginia; (2) Georgia State; (3) Navy
(1) Washington State; (2) East Carolina; (3) Marshall
(1) Fresno State; (2) Virginia Tech; (3) Northwestern
(1) SMU; (2) Rutgers; (3) Wyoming

(1) Illinois; (2) UAB; (3) Toledo
(1) UTSA; (2) USC; (3) Hawaii
(1) Western Kentucky; (2) Liberty; (3) Northern Illinois
(1) TCU; (2) Washington; (3) Middle Tennessee

(1) Army; (2) North Carolina; (3) Miami(OH)
(1) Florida State; (2) California; (3) Tulane
(1) Coastal Carolina; (2) Tulsa; (3) San Jose State
(1) Nevada; (2) Missouri; (3) Georgia Tech

(09-30-2022 07:06 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  The current approach is flawed. Nobody wants a CCG to qualify a team for the playoffs. Nobody wants a CCG to eliminate a team from the playoffs. The conferences want to have a CCG because it makes money. So let's completely forget about the conferences with regard to the playoffs.

I’ll just speak for myself: the emphasis on conference championships is one of the BEST features of the new 12-team CFP. I absolutely 100% love it. This makes every conference race across college football important, which gets more teams involved in more games with national stakes. So, it’s certainly not “no one” wants a CCG to matter for the playoffs. I unambiguously LOVE it and I think the vast majority of others do, too.