(09-10-2022 08:36 PM)HD76 Wrote:  Y'all need to take out Buffalo next week. Great job to go 2-0 after a great win. This was a trap game for sure. We need all our teams to focus! Good luck next week!

Very disappointing and uninspired team tonight. Gardener Webb was flying to the balls and just wanted it more. We were very lucky to win. One of the worst Coastal games I've seen in a while.

Welp, it’s a win, will take it. But easily the worst win in the conference this week. They absolutely shredded our secondary. Was worried we’d struggle after losing our veteran S and back end play caller late against Army (he’s out for the year).

Somebody gonna have to step up.

(09-10-2022 09:24 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Welp, it’s a win, will take it. But easily the worst win in the conference this week. They absolutely shredded our secondary. Was worried we’d struggle after losing our veteran S and back end play caller late against Army.

Somebody gonna have to step up.

A lot of work to do. If we have to play 10 yards off the ball just about every play vs FCS schools we are going to have a long season. Very tough game to watch.

Every time GWs QB rolled out, our DBs got confused and let their man go loose. Pretty much the same thing they did against Army last week…completed 5 passes and 2 of them were bombs. This has got to be fixed. And Our OL apparently isn’t built to run the type of option reads that we run. It’s almost like we’re now trying to run a pro-style offense which is not at all what McCall is accustomed to running.

(09-10-2022 11:07 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  Every time GWs QB rolled out, our DBs got confused and let their man go loose. Pretty much the same thing they did against Army last week…completed 5 passes and 2 of them were bombs. This has got to be fixed. And Our OL apparently isn’t built to run the type of option reads that we run. It’s almost like we’re now trying to run a pro-style offense which is not at all what McCall is accustomed to running.

Agreed on secondary.

As for the pro-style. Not sure I 100% agree, but yes, we aren’t going full read option for sure. It may be the Oline, but… a huge part is missing Bennett. He was the outside home run threat. We are missing that something fierce.

No one is having to cheat outside, ala Marable or Bennett. Changes the whole dynamic. More guys in the box makes the inside run, QB keeper much tougher sledding. And… don’t really want McCall keeping a bunch cause there’s no option outside. It’s like 2/3 options are suffering.

McCall is gonna have to adapt to be effective at next level anyway, or the pundits will have been right. He is doing it, will continue. I think our O is gonna look very different by mid-season.

We will need it to be efficient in its new style, given the D struggles.

(09-10-2022 11:07 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  Every time GWs QB rolled out, our DBs got confused and let their man go loose. Pretty much the same thing they did against Army last week…completed 5 passes and 2 of them were bombs. This has got to be fixed. And Our OL apparently isn’t built to run the type of option reads that we run. It’s almost like we’re now trying to run a pro-style offense which is not at all what McCall is accustomed to running.

Yep.

1. The secondary is very undisciplined.

2. DB's played at least 10 yards off the ball almost every down. No wonder they got shredded.

3. Questionable offensive scheme, play calling, and execution. Just did not look comfortable. Sloppy.

A lot of work. If this is the product, we will potentially lose by double digits to everyone on the remaining schedule.

(09-11-2022 07:35 AM)TealNation Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 11:07 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  Every time GWs QB rolled out, our DBs got confused and let their man go loose. Pretty much the same thing they did against Army last week…completed 5 passes and 2 of them were bombs. This has got to be fixed. And Our OL apparently isn’t built to run the type of option reads that we run. It’s almost like we’re now trying to run a pro-style offense which is not at all what McCall is accustomed to running.

Yep.

1. The secondary is very undisciplined.

2. DB's played at least 10 yards off the ball almost every down. No wonder they got shredded.

3. Questionable offensive scheme, play calling, and execution. Just did not look comfortable. Sloppy.

A lot of work. If this is the product, we will potentially lose by double digits to everyone on the remaining schedule.

Can we be honest for a moment and acknowledge that we have never had an above average secondary in the history of our football program?

Most years it is atrocious. In our best years, it was average and inconsistent.

Chad Staggs owns this and should be held accountable.

(09-11-2022 07:37 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(09-11-2022 07:35 AM)TealNation Wrote:  

(09-10-2022 11:07 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  Every time GWs QB rolled out, our DBs got confused and let their man go loose. Pretty much the same thing they did against Army last week…completed 5 passes and 2 of them were bombs. This has got to be fixed. And Our OL apparently isn’t built to run the type of option reads that we run. It’s almost like we’re now trying to run a pro-style offense which is not at all what McCall is accustomed to running.

Yep.

1. The secondary is very undisciplined.

2. DB's played at least 10 yards off the ball almost every down. No wonder they got shredded.

3. Questionable offensive scheme, play calling, and execution. Just did not look comfortable. Sloppy.

A lot of work. If this is the product, we will potentially lose by double digits to everyone on the remaining schedule.

Can we be honest for a moment and acknowledge that we have never had an above average secondary in the history of our football program?

Most years it is atrocious. In our best years, it was average and inconsistent.

Chad Staggs owns this and should be held accountable.

Every year we get hope for a stout/consistent defense and are let down.

It's definitely Staggs.

Can't blame recruiting any longer. That's coaching. These guys are just flat out in the wrong position on almost every pass play.

Anyone ever try to answer “why?” about the secondary? Other than hot takes…

It starts and ends with Dline. In our rapid ascent to top FCS ranks, it was all predicated on O design. Outscoring people. Plain and simple. We never got to the point through generic growth, where we had developed real size/depth in the trenches (either side honestly). It’s the number one factor in long term success, the trenches. I mean, have you seen the trenches of App St/Louisiana/Marshall/even JMU, etc? And their 2-deep plus… If you can’t get pressure, your secondary is screwed.

Then we jump FBS and are instantly even further behind. Hence our early year SBC struggles.

We are finally starting to get there. We’ve had some great starters… but this year, we have by far the overall best/deepest Dline we’ve ever seen at Coastal. It’s a good thing, but it comes with early issues… like starting to scheme towards putting your secondary on islands because you think you can control the line of scrimmage finally. There’s gonna be learning curves, fine tuning, to figure it out. Then you lose your back end play caller. Give it some time.

And holy smokes people, give GW some credit, they not only came with the perfect game plan, they also executed it near flawlessly. Get the ball out quick, and take advantage of the empty midfield. Sometimes you catch somebody’s best. Sucks when you aren’t able to return it.

I mean, in all those thin Dline years, how many of the same people were bemoaning getting trucked on the ground to the tune of 300+ yards a game? The secondary looked GREAT I guess, cause no one had to throw against us. We won against possibly the best traditional ground game team we’ve ever faced, in Army… BECAUSE of the way our defense can now play up front, all front 7. Barely 200 yards to them is honestly great.

We will adapt.

And yes, some of us do remember when the last time was that given individuals were “embarrassed or ashamed” of our own program… like in the middle of the NC State regional that we ended up winning… and continued on to the CWS Title.

Smells like a really good diagnostician of what us being embarrassing looks like…

Lol.


Yes, we suck in the midst of a National Championship baseball run. And… we’ve sucked in football for a decade that’s seen us get chosen to jump to FBS, win a conference title, a Top Ten game, a bowl game, and have the best 2-season record in our history, one of like 6 teams to match it in FBS. We’re pathetic, even if we’re still growing.

Can you imagine how bad we’d suck if we had already plateaued into a decades long, top notch team… like I dunno, Texas A&M, ND, or Michigan? Surely they never get beat.

Lol.

They killed us with RPO slants because our DB's gave them 10+ yards from scrimmage all game with no defensive adjustments. Somehow they still found ways to get past our DB's even with the extended cushion.

The secondary was completely lost on any type of misdirection. All things we saw in the Army game.

As to why we were playing so far off all game, I truly hope Gardener Webb is more talented than we are giving them credit for. Otherwise, we have just as significant talent/depth issues as we did when we first joined FBS, which is what is disappointing.

I watched a few minutes at the end. Y'all run a reverse pitch back to the QB. The running back and the pitchman ran together killing the timing. McCall was clobbered and you had a receiver running wide open. Needing 1 yard to nail the coffin shut the center snapped the ball over McCall's head. Great play by him to save a turnover but you had to punt away. Was it like that the entire game? Still glad you pulled it out! The important thing.

(09-11-2022 09:32 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  I watched a few minutes at the end. Y'all run a reverse pitch back to the QB. The running back and the pitchman ran together killing the timing. McCall was clobbered and you had a receiver running wide open. Needing 1 yard to nail the coffin shut the center snapped the ball over McCall's head. Great play by him to save a turnover but you had to punt away. Was it like that the entire game? Still glad you pulled it out! The important thing.

Pretty much. The whole game was a dumpster fire.

Secondary looked terrible. Gave up almost 500 yards in the air. Offense looked sloppy and out of sync but got enough production from skill players to score.

If not for Gardener Webb's 5 turnovers, Coastal loses by double digits.

(09-11-2022 09:32 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  I watched a few minutes at the end. Y'all run a reverse pitch back to the QB. The running back and the pitchman ran together killing the timing. McCall was clobbered and you had a receiver running wide open. Needing 1 yard to nail the coffin shut the center snapped the ball over McCall's head. Great play by him to save a turnover but you had to punt away. Was it like that the entire game? Still glad you pulled it out! The important thing.

Yea, if you saw that, you saw it all. Just dreadful, I don’t know why we went with the play calling. Never seen it before, and they kept going to it.

(09-11-2022 08:04 AM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Anyone ever try to answer “why?” about the secondary? Other than hot takes…

It starts and ends with Dline. In our rapid ascent to top FCS ranks, it was all predicated on O design. Outscoring people. Plain and simple. We never got to the point through generic growth, where we had developed real size/depth in the trenches (either side honestly). It’s the number one factor in long term success, the trenches. I mean, have you seen the trenches of App St/Louisiana/Marshall/even JMU, etc? And their 2-deep plus… If you can’t get pressure, your secondary is screwed.

Then we jump FBS and are instantly even further behind. Hence our early year SBC struggles.

We are finally starting to get there. We’ve had some great starters… but this year, we have by far the overall best/deepest Dline we’ve ever seen at Coastal. It’s a good thing, but it comes with early issues… like starting to scheme towards putting your secondary on islands because you think you can control the line of scrimmage finally. There’s gonna be learning curves, fine tuning, to figure it out. Then you lose your back end play caller. Give it some time.

And holy smokes people, give GW some credit, they not only came with the perfect game plan, they also executed it near flawlessly. Get the ball out quick, and take advantage of the empty midfield. Sometimes you catch somebody’s best. Sucks when you aren’t able to return it.

I mean, in all those thin Dline years, how many of the same people were bemoaning getting trucked on the ground to the tune of 300+ yards a game? The secondary looked GREAT I guess, cause no one had to throw against us. We won against possibly the best traditional ground game team we’ve ever faced, in Army… BECAUSE of the way our defense can now play up front, all front 7. Barely 200 yards to them is honestly great.

We will adapt.

It is neither my job nor your job to figure out “why” nor is it our job to fix the problem. We pay a guy an upper middle class salary to spend 100% of his time figuring out “why” and how to fix it. And he hasn’t done that.

If I’m failing at my job, should I come to you with the expectation that you diagnose the problem and fix it for me even though I’m the one getting paid?

It’s funny when message board people think they have the answers when we have people on staff making good money to figure it out. Good leaders don’t do the job for their employees. Good leaders recognize talent, put people in positions to succeed, and if they don’t succeed they hold them accountable.