What happened to that program? I'm speechless.

4 interceptions and fumble kick scoop and score and tons of penalties. Just terrible

(09-02-2022 09:55 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  What happened to that program? I'm speechless.

Fuente was an offensive guru who could squeeze points out of his team, but every year tons of players would leave via the portal - including his final year. Now Tech has few offensive playmakers and, based on what I saw tonight, not a lot of "high football IQ" guys on offense or defense. Oh, and a first-time head coach who hasn't mastered how to manage a game yet. UGLY is right.

Brutal mistakes doomed the Hokies.

Even with all those mistakes, they almost pulled out the win.

The good news is .... if they fix those mistakes, they dramatically increase their odds of winning.

The loss sucks. But it's a long season. Gotta get behind the kids now more than ever. Baby steps.

(09-02-2022 10:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 09:55 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  What happened to that program? I'm speechless.

Fuente was an offensive guru who could squeeze points out of his team, but every year tons of players would leave via the portal - including his final year. Now Tech has few offensive playmakers and, based on what I saw tonight, not a lot of "high football IQ" guys on offense or defense. Oh, and a first-time head coach who hasn't mastered how to manage a game yet. UGLY is right.

No P5 should ever break in a first-time head coach unless he was a coordinator on a team which has won multiple championships. Small P5's and G5 schools are appropriate proving grounds for P5 head coaching positions. IMO, your AD should be fired.

Sorry VT, but glad you took our biggest problem away, which was Grant Wells. He is a terrible leader and QB. Quicker you sit him on the bench, the better off you'll be.

(09-02-2022 11:01 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Sorry VT, but glad you took our biggest problem away, which was Grant Wells. He is a terrible leader and QB. Quicker you sit him on the bench, the better off you'll be.

This. I've admired the VT program for a long time, but wasn't sure why they wanted Wells. Yeah, he put up some numbers and won some games, but also frequently lost us games and/or put us in some deep holes with all the turnovers. Some claimed it was his WR core at Marshall and/or the play calling, but from what I saw from him today, he's still the same ole INT throwing Grant Wells. He looks AWESOME in practice, and will have a stretch where you start to think he's going to end up being a program defining QB...then he throws 3-4 picks the next game and causes you to lose a game that otherwise you should win. While I was hurt he left us, as he's a local guy and as a freshman I thought we might end up mentioning him in the same breath as Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich, from a game standpoint I'm hopeful to have a QB starting who won't be as reckless with the football.

(09-02-2022 11:01 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Sorry VT, but glad you took our biggest problem away, which was Grant Wells. He is a terrible leader and QB. Quicker you sit him on the bench, the better off you'll be.

I feel the same way about FSU taking Jordan Travis. What an awful QB. This after they flipped QB Chubba Purdy on signing day. Purdy proved to be dreadful. He has already transferred to Nebraska. The Cornhuskers must terrible.

(09-02-2022 10:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 10:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 09:55 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  What happened to that program? I'm speechless.

Fuente was an offensive guru who could squeeze points out of his team, but every year tons of players would leave via the portal - including his final year. Now Tech has few offensive playmakers and, based on what I saw tonight, not a lot of "high football IQ" guys on offense or defense. Oh, and a first-time head coach who hasn't mastered how to manage a game yet. UGLY is right.

No P5 should ever break in a first-time head coach unless he was a coordinator on a team which has won multiple championships. Small P5's and G5 schools are appropriate proving grounds for P5 head coaching positions. IMO, your AD should be fired.

It would be hard to duplicate the "Dabo Story".

(09-03-2022 07:41 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 10:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 10:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 09:55 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  What happened to that program? I'm speechless.

Fuente was an offensive guru who could squeeze points out of his team, but every year tons of players would leave via the portal - including his final year. Now Tech has few offensive playmakers and, based on what I saw tonight, not a lot of "high football IQ" guys on offense or defense. Oh, and a first-time head coach who hasn't mastered how to manage a game yet. UGLY is right.

No P5 should ever break in a first-time head coach unless he was a coordinator on a team which has won multiple championships. Small P5's and G5 schools are appropriate proving grounds for P5 head coaching positions. IMO, your AD should be fired.

It would be hard to duplicate the "Dabo Story".

I admit that I was despondent when Dabo was hired and didn't pay much attention to the games for a few years. It just seemed like Clemson's administration had given up and hired a guy whose resume fit on a sticky note. I was obviously way off on that but Dabo is the exception, not the rule.

Isn't that like two in a row to ODU? Just asking.

To early to tell if Pry is the guy or not but I think Vtech is going to have a hard time duplicating the Beamer Era especially with the changing landscape in CFB

(09-03-2022 08:25 AM)mj4life Wrote:  To early to tell if Pry is the guy or not but I think Vtech is going to have a hard time duplicating the Beamer Era especially with the changing landscape in CFB

Mike London was a failure at UVA in every way but one: he severed the pipeline from the Tidewater to Blacksburg.

(09-03-2022 09:19 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-03-2022 08:25 AM)mj4life Wrote:  To early to tell if Pry is the guy or not but I think Vtech is going to have a hard time duplicating the Beamer Era especially with the changing landscape in CFB

Mike London was a failure at UVA in every way but one: he severed the pipeline from the Tidewater to Blacksburg.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Of course, UVA hasn't really benefitted, but ODU certainly has (they are located in the Tidewater area). So you might say UVA damaged an ACC football program without actually benefitting any of them (sound familiar?)

Pry was hired specifically for his ability to recruit the Tidewater of VA. He was great at that while working as the DC at Penn State.

Two issues stood out for me last night:
1) Quarterback play was unacceptable (4 INTs to only 197 yards passing!)
2) The overall "football IQ" was lacking. For example, on that late ODU long pass to the 1 yard line - why didn't the DB just commit pass interference? Another example: on the blocked punt, why did the punter try to recover the ball instead of kicking it out of the back of the end zone?

All of this should be correctable with coaching; let's see if Pry & Co. get it done!

I saw Grant Wells play a HS game once and never miss a Marshall game. His career seems to be plateau then a big improvement followed by a plateau. He did it in HS and again at MU. I honestly hope he made another drastic improvement. I felt like he wasn’t going to do that a second time with us.

He does great in practice and when things are going well. However, I think when he gets rattled under pressure he tries to force passes (high risk/high reward). FWTW - if I were a coach I would focus on calming him down on the sideline and there the week work on mental resiliency of rebounding in the face of adversity. I may be way off base but do want to see him do well.

(09-03-2022 09:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-03-2022 09:19 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-03-2022 08:25 AM)mj4life Wrote:  To early to tell if Pry is the guy or not but I think Vtech is going to have a hard time duplicating the Beamer Era especially with the changing landscape in CFB

Mike London was a failure at UVA in every way but one: he severed the pipeline from the Tidewater to Blacksburg.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Of course, UVA hasn't really benefitted, but ODU certainly has (they are located in the Tidewater area). So you might say UVA damaged an ACC football program without actually benefitting any of them (sound familiar?)

Pry was hired specifically for his ability to recruit the Tidewater of VA. He was great at that while working as the DC at Penn State.

Two issues stood out for me last night:
1) Quarterback play was unacceptable (4 INTs to only 197 yards passing!)
2) The overall "football IQ" was lacking. For example, on that late ODU long pass to the 1 yard line - why didn't the DB just commit pass interference? Another example: on the blocked punt, why did the punter try to recover the ball instead of kicking it out of the back of the end zone?

All of this should be correctable with coaching; let's see if Pry & Co. get it done!

There used to be only two FBS schools in Virginia, and VT benefitted much from Virginia talents. Now we have five FBS schools. Losing to ODU, JMU, Liberty, etc won’t help recruiting.

Having said that, I think Pry and the team will get better.

Yes it was! Our guys did make some plays that prevented around 49 points from ending up on the scoreboard next to Virginia Tech's name! It's the nature of the beast! When we started with our new head coach last season, our opener was at Wake Forest. Yes they whooped our f****** asses! It's gonna take some time. It easily could have gotten out of control for both teams lastnight. Watching the defenses play was a lot of fun. Vts defense is Rock solid I don't see any problems for you guys on that side of the ball. I was sitting on the east side with a bunch of VT fans and everybody was wondering why they were starting Grant Wells. I said early this time we meet him the game's going to almost look like it did when we played him at Marshall last year and it certainly the hell did but this time worse! If it wasn't for our guys being so dialed in on what he was going to do yes you guys probably would have beaten us! VT built the offense around him that's why we were able to limit the big plays.GW has no big capability. If Virginia Tech wants to be successful in the ACC they're going to have to do something about GW.

GGs until we meet again, but y'all got to relax. This is a process and the man coach Pry is a first time HC. I know you guys want to be back into the Glory Days of Virginia Tech football. I remember those days. Before ODU had a football team who do you think we used to watch every Saturday on national TV? Ol' Beamer ball!
Be patient.

(09-03-2022 04:55 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  Yes it was! Our guys did make some plays that prevented around 49 points from ending up on the scoreboard next to Virginia Tech's name! It's the nature of the beast! When we started with our new head coach last season, our opener was at Wake Forest. Yes they whooped our f****** asses! It's gonna take some time. It easily could have gotten out of control for both teams lastnight. Watching the defenses play was a lot of fun. Vts defense is Rock solid I don't see any problems for you guys on that side of the ball. I was sitting on the east side with a bunch of VT fans and everybody was wondering why they were starting Grant Wells. I said early this time we meet him the game's going to almost look like it did when we played him at Marshall last year and it certainly the hell did but this time worse! If it wasn't for our guys being so dialed in on what he was going to do yes you guys probably would have beaten us! VT built the offense around him that's why we were able to limit the big plays.GW has no big capability. If Virginia Tech wants to be successful in the ACC they're going to have to do something about GW.

GGs until we meet again, but y'all got to relax. This is a process and the man coach Pry is a first time HC. I know you guys want to be back into the Glory Days of Virginia Tech football. I remember those days. Before ODU had a football team who do you think we used to watch every Saturday on national TV? Ol' Beamer ball!
Be patient.

Maybe it's just that G5 teams tend to do more with less?