(09-01-2022 12:01 PM)ken d Wrote:  ** UCF did not join FBS until 1996

I know it's assumed in all of this, but UCF is a perfect example of why "bowl appearances" is less helpful than "winning seasons" or even ".500 or above seasons."

Because UCF had at least one 9-2 team that didn't go to a bowl simply because they weren't in a conference and there weren't as many bowls to go around.

(09-01-2022 01:11 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 12:01 PM)ken d Wrote:  ** UCF did not join FBS until 1996

I know it's assumed in all of this, but UCF is a perfect example of why "bowl appearances" is less helpful than "winning seasons" or even ".500 or above seasons."

Because UCF had at least one 9-2 team that didn't go to a bowl simply because they weren't in a conference and there weren't as many bowls to go around.

As I mentioned in a previous post, this was not intended to be "helpful" for realignment considerations or any other reason. Just diving into the data. It's interesting, for example, that Appalachian St has been to a bowl in all 7 years they have been bowl-eligible.

(09-01-2022 07:12 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 06:19 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 06:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 06:18 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  something something B1G something something Rose Bowl or bust

It is worth mentioning if you are comparing conferences that from 1922-1945 no B1G team was allowed to go to a bowl game (and many would have). Then only one could go until early 70's

And Notre Dame didn't play in bowl games for many years as well. So these lists aren't very meaningful. It would be interesting to see the data for the past 50 years only.

There’s lots of reasons these lists aren’t “meaningful.” It’s not intended to prove anything or reach a conclusion. Just laying out the numbers. I find them interesting.

I did too. It was nice to see a list of bowl appearances by various schools. Thanks.

Last 50 years:

FBS Top 50 (G5 in red):

Rank..#....Team

01.....47...Ohio State
02.....44...Alabama
03.....43...Georgia
03.....43...Michigan
03.....43...Nebraska
06.....41...Penn State
07.....40...Florida
07.....40...Florida State
07.....40...Oklahoma
10.....39...BYU
11.....38...Texas
12.....37...Notre Dame
12.....37...USC
14.....36...Clemson
14.....36...Tennessee
16.....35...Auburn
16.....35...LSU
16.....35...Miami
16.....35...Texas A&M
20.....33...West Virginia
21.....32...Iowa
21.....32...Washington
23.....31...UCLA
23.....31...Virginia Tech
25.....30...Arkansas
25.....30...NC State
25.....30...Pitt
25.....30...UNC
25.....30...Wisconsin
30.....28...Oklahoma State
30.....28...Oregon
32.....27...Arizona State
32.....27...Texas Tech
34.....26...Air Force
34.....26...Michigan State
36.....25...Georgia Tech
36.....25...Houston
38.....24...Boston College
38.....24...Fresno State
40.....23...Colorado
40.....23...Kansas State
40.....23...Maryland
43.....22...Louisville
43.....22...Mississippi State
43.....22...Missouri
43.....22...South Carolina
43.....22...Southern Miss
43.....22...TCU
43.....22...Utah
50.....21...Virginia

Bottom 10:

87......9...Kansas
88......8...Duke
88......8...New Mexico
88......8...San Jose State
88......8...Temple
88......8...Vanderbilt
93......7...UTEP
94......5...Rice
95......4...Kent State
96......1...New Mexico State

Edited to add Rice to Bottom 10

(09-01-2022 06:19 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 06:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 06:18 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  something something B1G something something Rose Bowl or bust

It is worth mentioning if you are comparing conferences that from 1922-1945 no B1G team was allowed to go to a bowl game (and many would have). Then only one could go until early 70's

And Notre Dame didn't play in bowl games for many years as well. So these lists aren't very meaningful. It would be interesting to see the data for the past 50 years only.

That would be a much better comparison

(09-01-2022 01:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 01:11 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 12:01 PM)ken d Wrote:  ** UCF did not join FBS until 1996

I know it's assumed in all of this, but UCF is a perfect example of why "bowl appearances" is less helpful than "winning seasons" or even ".500 or above seasons."

Because UCF had at least one 9-2 team that didn't go to a bowl simply because they weren't in a conference and there weren't as many bowls to go around.

As I mentioned in a previous post, this was not intended to be "helpful" for realignment considerations or any other reason. Just diving into the data. It's interesting, for example, that Appalachian St has been to a bowl in all 7 years they have been bowl-eligible.

Yeah, I saw that.

Totally fair. If you want to see number of bowls, the numbers are the numbers.

Just adding to the context.

(09-01-2022 01:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  Last 50 years:

FBS Top 50 (G5 in red):

Rank..#....Team

01.....47...Ohio State
02.....44...Alabama
03.....43...Georgia
03.....43...Michigan
03.....43...Nebraska
06.....41...Penn State
07.....40...Florida
07.....40...Florida State
07.....40...Oklahoma
10.....39...BYU
11.....38...Texas
12.....37...Notre Dame
12.....37...USC
14.....36...Clemson
14.....36...Tennessee
16.....35...Auburn
16.....35...LSU
16.....35...Miami
16.....35...Texas A&M
20.....33...West Virginia
21.....32...Iowa
21.....32...Washington
23.....31...UCLA
23.....31...Virginia Tech
25.....30...Arkansas
25.....30...NC State
25.....30...Pitt
25.....30...UNC
25.....30...Wisconsin
30.....28...Oklahoma State
30.....28...Oregon
32.....27...Arizona State
32.....27...Texas Tech
34.....26...Air Force
34.....26...Michigan State
36.....25...Georgia Tech
36.....25...Houston
38.....24...Boston College
38.....24...Fresno State
40.....23...Colorado
40.....23...Kansas State
40.....23...Maryland
43.....22...Louisville
43.....22...Mississippi State
43.....22...Missouri
43.....22...South Carolina
43.....22...Southern Miss
43.....22...TCU
43.....22...Utah
50.....21...Virginia

Bottom 10 and ties:

82.....10...Army
82.....10...Miami (O)
82.....10...SMU
82.....10...Tulane
82.....10...Western Michigan
87......9...Kansas
88......8...Duke
88......8...New Mexico
88......8...San Jose State
88......8...Temple
88......8...Vanderbilt
95......1...New Mexico State

Cincinnati has 21 bowl games as well, 22 if you count the post-season exhibition in New Orleans against LSU in January, 1898. The Bearcats won 28-0.

(09-01-2022 02:59 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 01:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  Last 50 years:

FBS Top 50 (G5 in red):

Rank..#....Team

01.....47...Ohio State
02.....44...Alabama
03.....43...Georgia
03.....43...Michigan
03.....43...Nebraska
06.....41...Penn State
07.....40...Florida
07.....40...Florida State
07.....40...Oklahoma
10.....39...BYU
11.....38...Texas
12.....37...Notre Dame
12.....37...USC
14.....36...Clemson
14.....36...Tennessee
16.....35...Auburn
16.....35...LSU
16.....35...Miami
16.....35...Texas A&M
20.....33...West Virginia
21.....32...Iowa
21.....32...Washington
23.....31...UCLA
23.....31...Virginia Tech
25.....30...Arkansas
25.....30...NC State
25.....30...Pitt
25.....30...UNC
25.....30...Wisconsin
30.....28...Oklahoma State
30.....28...Oregon
32.....27...Arizona State
32.....27...Texas Tech
34.....26...Air Force
34.....26...Michigan State
36.....25...Georgia Tech
36.....25...Houston
38.....24...Boston College
38.....24...Fresno State
40.....23...Colorado
40.....23...Kansas State
40.....23...Maryland
43.....22...Louisville
43.....22...Mississippi State
43.....22...Missouri
43.....22...South Carolina
43.....22...Southern Miss
43.....22...TCU
43.....22...Utah
50.....21...Virginia

Bottom 10 and ties:

82.....10...Army
82.....10...Miami (O)
82.....10...SMU
82.....10...Tulane
82.....10...Western Michigan
87......9...Kansas
88......8...Duke
88......8...New Mexico
88......8...San Jose State
88......8...Temple
88......8...Vanderbilt
95......1...New Mexico State

Cincinnati has 21 bowl games as well, 22 if you count the post-season exhibition in New Orleans against LSU in January, 1898. The Bearcats won 28-0.

You left out Massachusetts - UMass!

Season Bowl Opponent Result
1964 Tangerine Bowl East Carolina L 13–14
1972 Boardwalk Bowl UC Davis W 35–14
1978 Pioneer Bowl Florida A&M L 35–28

Quote:The bowl games currently owned and operated by ESPN Events include the Boca Raton Bowl, the Camellia Bowl, the Cure Bowl, the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl, the Fenway Bowl, the Frisco Bowl, the Myrtle Beach Bowl, and the New Mexico Bowl.

"We're pleased to expand our relationship with UMass to include their football bowl rights for the next four seasons," said Clint Overby, vice president, ESPN Events, "Adding the postseason to an already robust slate of programming offerings featuring the Minutemen across our platforms, ESPN networks will be the destination for UMass fans."

(09-01-2022 02:59 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 01:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  Last 50 years:

FBS Top 50 (G5 in red):

Rank..#....Team

01.....47...Ohio State
02.....44...Alabama
03.....43...Georgia
03.....43...Michigan
03.....43...Nebraska
06.....41...Penn State
07.....40...Florida
07.....40...Florida State
07.....40...Oklahoma
10.....39...BYU
11.....38...Texas
12.....37...Notre Dame
12.....37...USC
14.....36...Clemson
14.....36...Tennessee
16.....35...Auburn
16.....35...LSU
16.....35...Miami
16.....35...Texas A&M
20.....33...West Virginia
21.....32...Iowa
21.....32...Washington
23.....31...UCLA
23.....31...Virginia Tech
25.....30...Arkansas
25.....30...NC State
25.....30...Pitt
25.....30...UNC
25.....30...Wisconsin
30.....28...Oklahoma State
30.....28...Oregon
32.....27...Arizona State
32.....27...Texas Tech
34.....26...Air Force
34.....26...Michigan State
36.....25...Georgia Tech
36.....25...Houston
38.....24...Boston College
38.....24...Fresno State
40.....23...Colorado
40.....23...Kansas State
40.....23...Maryland
43.....22...Louisville
43.....22...Mississippi State
43.....22...Missouri
43.....22...South Carolina
43.....22...Southern Miss
43.....22...TCU
43.....22...Utah
50.....21...Virginia

Bottom 10 and ties:

82.....10...Army
82.....10...Miami (O)
82.....10...SMU
82.....10...Tulane
82.....10...Western Michigan
87......9...Kansas
88......8...Duke
88......8...New Mexico
88......8...San Jose State
88......8...Temple
88......8...Vanderbilt
95......1...New Mexico State

Cincinnati has 21 bowl games as well, 22 if you count the post-season exhibition in New Orleans against LSU in January, 1898. The Bearcats won 28-0.

I don't think 1898 is within the last 50 years.

(08-31-2022 05:49 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 03:09 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 11:42 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Bottom 25 Schools:
1. (tie) Jacksonville St, James Madison, Massachusetts, Sam Houston St, Texas St (0)
6. (tie) Charlotte, UL Monroe (1)
8. (tie) Coastal Carolina, Old Dominion, South Alabama (2)
11 (tie) Akron, Liberty, UTSA (3)
14. (tie) Georgia St, Kent St, New Mexico, UNLV (4)
18. (tie) Buffalo, Eastern Michigan, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia St, UAB (5)
24. Connecticut (6)
25. Appalachian St (7)

You do know that we've only been allowed to go to bowl games for 7 years, right? We've never missed a bowl game, and won 6 of those 7.

A better post would be comparing bowl appearances over the last 5 years, or the last 10 years. The further back in time you go, the less relevant this data becomes.

Still only have 7 bowls. Not intended to “shame” y’all.

I'll take "only" 7 bowls in our 7 years, especially since 6 of them were wins.

I guess maybe if we went to 11 bowls in 7 years, that would be more impressive.

Do playoffs games count as bowl games?

(09-01-2022 04:34 PM)Huan Wrote:  Do playoffs games count as bowl games?

I counted them, since the bowls are integrated with the CFP. Where I had to make a judgement call is how to count the national championship game. I opted to measure the number of seasons in which a team appeared in a bowl, as opposed to the number of games they played. So the finalists in the four team CFP era only got credit for one "appearance" in those years.

(09-01-2022 04:44 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 04:34 PM)Huan Wrote:  Do playoffs games count as bowl games?

I counted them, since the bowls are integrated with the CFP. Where I had to make a judgement call is how to count the national championship game. I opted to measure the number of seasons in which a team appeared in a bowl, as opposed to the number of games they played. So the finalists in the four team CFP era only got credit for one "appearance" in those years.

Thanks

(09-01-2022 01:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  Last 50 years:

FBS Top 50 (G5 in red):

Rank..#....Team

01.....47...Ohio State
02.....44...Alabama
03.....43...Georgia
03.....43...Michigan
03.....43...Nebraska
06.....41...Penn State
07.....40...Florida
07.....40...Florida State
07.....40...Oklahoma
10.....39...BYU
11.....38...Texas
12.....37...Notre Dame
12.....37...USC
14.....36...Clemson
14.....36...Tennessee
16.....35...Auburn
16.....35...LSU
16.....35...Miami
16.....35...Texas A&M
20.....33...West Virginia
21.....32...Iowa
21.....32...Washington
23.....31...UCLA
23.....31...Virginia Tech
25.....30...Arkansas
25.....30...NC State
25.....30...Pitt
25.....30...UNC
25.....30...Wisconsin
30.....28...Oklahoma State
30.....28...Oregon
32.....27...Arizona State
32.....27...Texas Tech
34.....26...Air Force
34.....26...Michigan State
36.....25...Georgia Tech
36.....25...Houston
38.....24...Boston College
38.....24...Fresno State
40.....23...Colorado
40.....23...Kansas State
40.....23...Maryland
43.....22...Louisville
43.....22...Mississippi State
43.....22...Missouri
43.....22...South Carolina
43.....22...Southern Miss
43.....22...TCU
43.....22...Utah
50.....21...Virginia

Bottom 10 and ties:

82.....10...Army
82.....10...Miami (O)
82.....10...SMU
82.....10...Tulane
82.....10...Western Michigan
87......9...Kansas
88......8...Duke
88......8...New Mexico
88......8...San Jose State
88......8...Temple
88......8...Vanderbilt
95......1...New Mexico State

How is Rice not bottom 10 with 5?

(09-01-2022 06:48 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 01:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  Last 50 years:

FBS Top 50 (G5 in red):

Rank..#....Team

01.....47...Ohio State
02.....44...Alabama
03.....43...Georgia
03.....43...Michigan
03.....43...Nebraska
06.....41...Penn State
07.....40...Florida
07.....40...Florida State
07.....40...Oklahoma
10.....39...BYU
11.....38...Texas
12.....37...Notre Dame
12.....37...USC
14.....36...Clemson
14.....36...Tennessee
16.....35...Auburn
16.....35...LSU
16.....35...Miami
16.....35...Texas A&M
20.....33...West Virginia
21.....32...Iowa
21.....32...Washington
23.....31...UCLA
23.....31...Virginia Tech
25.....30...Arkansas
25.....30...NC State
25.....30...Pitt
25.....30...UNC
25.....30...Wisconsin
30.....28...Oklahoma State
30.....28...Oregon
32.....27...Arizona State
32.....27...Texas Tech
34.....26...Air Force
34.....26...Michigan State
36.....25...Georgia Tech
36.....25...Houston
38.....24...Boston College
38.....24...Fresno State
40.....23...Colorado
40.....23...Kansas State
40.....23...Maryland
43.....22...Louisville
43.....22...Mississippi State
43.....22...Missouri
43.....22...South Carolina
43.....22...Southern Miss
43.....22...TCU
43.....22...Utah
50.....21...Virginia

Bottom 10 and ties:

82.....10...Army
82.....10...Miami (O)
82.....10...SMU
82.....10...Tulane
82.....10...Western Michigan
87......9...Kansas
88......8...Duke
88......8...New Mexico
88......8...San Jose State
88......8...Temple
88......8...Vanderbilt
95......1...New Mexico State

How is Rice not bottom 10 with 5?

They are. I just missed them. Thanks.