(09-02-2022 02:30 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 02:05 AM)Alanda Wrote:  Bad counting or Freudian Slip

Apparently the "internet" has suggested that she was referring to Chicago and Johns Hopkins.

That said, if she was being strategic, this would be an interesting way to float a trial balloon without actually floating a trial balloon.

There is also more than one way to say/read "will be AAU". It can mean the ones being added are already in the club or will be in the future. Not that I'd bet on her being that calculating...but it's possible.

(09-02-2022 07:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Every day that goes by I think it less and less likely that more B1G expansion, in the near-term at least, is going to happen.

Looks like phase two for the B1G was getting Notre Dame to join, but the Irish are apparently not doing so.

I don't think there is now an appetite for a phase three with more PAC schools.

We'll see.

I am trying to figure how that likelihood can change on a "day by day" time frame.

If the Big Ten was seriously considering expanding, and things were moving toward expanding by two, and they were working out which two they wanted ... with different Big Ten schools having different ideas on which two ...

... what exactly would we be seeing that is different from what we are seeing now?

That doesn't mean that is what is happening, but rather that with the notice date to leave at the same time as USC/UCLA having passed, it is entirely plausible that any further expansion from the PAC-10 would be announced sometimes after the Big Ten CCG has been played this year ... which means that the Big Ten can work through a thorough due diligence on all of the prospective adds, including the media payments impacts, while those with specific views lobby those who are on the fence.

All of the readers of tea leaves and rumor chasers may be trying to get the inside scoop on a decision at a time that the decision has not yet been made.

(09-01-2022 08:21 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 07:03 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Not sure I believe this, but hope true. As much as the realignment junkie in me, likes to see the next move, I don't actually like the idea of mega conferences and would take 16 over 20. I think 16 is as big as you can go and still feel kind of like it used to.

As for other reasons, Gene Smith did say he would prefer 8 conference games, but 9 was best for conference. Further expansion would likely push 10 conference games and,without Notre Dame, wouldn't involve more money.

Still not sold on anyone of it, but there is logic.

But 20 and 24 teams saves rivalry games, especially if you add more overall games to the season, remove nonsensical OOC games, and keep room for OOC rivalry games. 16 means USC will have to face it's main rival Northwestern too often.

I want it to feel like a conference. I would rather be playing everyone at least half the time (honestly more than that, but I guess Ill take half at this point).. You can preserve some extra rivalries in different setups, but we are going to be playing most traditional Big Ten teams less in almost any expasnion senario. I don't want to give up games with Wisconsin, Iowa, Purdue, etc for more west coast games.

(09-02-2022 06:32 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 02:05 AM)Alanda Wrote:  Bad counting or Freudian Slip

Simple slip of the tongue or letting the cat out of the bag ... only time will tell which.

But if it's letting the cat out of the bag, accidentally repeating a line said behind closed doors which wasn't supposed to be made in public yet, it'd be pointing toward Washington / Oregon, since that's the pair where the OSU President would be arguing in terms of AAU status.

Most likely talking about the academic component of the conference which used to be called the CIC. Chicago (historic member) and John Hopkins (came when entered league with their only sport) are both in it.

So Ohio State's blocking is much improved this season?

(09-02-2022 08:26 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Most likely talking about the academic component of the conference which used to be called the CIC. Chicago (historic member) and John Hopkins (came when entered league with their only sport) are both in it.

But the "13 AAU of 14" doesn't seem to fit that, because John Hopkins affiliating with the Big Ten was in line with Maryland and Rutgers joining and the Big Ten going to five members with men's lacrosse, so that John Hopkins made six.

Wouldn't that make the CIC (then Big Ten Academic Association) go from:
11 AAU of 11, with the Big Ten + Chicago
12 AAU of 12, with Penn State joining
13 AAU of 13, with Nebraska joining
12 AAU of 13, with Nebraska losing AAU status
15 AAU of 16, with Maryland, Rutgers and John Hopkins joining
17 AAU of 18, when USC/UCLA join

That would "explain" the 17 AAU of 18 at the expense of now the "starting point" of 13 AAU out of 14 doesn't add up.

Far more natural for 13 AAU of 14 to refer to the full members of the conference, and 17 AA of 18 to be:
(1) an actual slip of the tongue, meaning to say 15 AAU out of 16
(2) accidentally repeating something that she had been saying "in the quiet rooms where decisions are made".

It would be ridiculous if she included Johns Hopkins for lacrosse but excluded Notre Dame for hockey. And if she included both, that would be 16/18.

(09-02-2022 08:41 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 08:26 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Most likely talking about the academic component of the conference which used to be called the CIC. Chicago (historic member) and John Hopkins (came when entered league with their only sport) are both in it.

But the "13 AAU of 14" doesn't seem to fit that, because John Hopkins affiliating with the Big Ten was in line with Maryland and Rutgers joining and the Big Ten going to five members with men's lacrosse, so that John Hopkins made six.

Wouldn't that make the CIC (then Big Ten Academic Association) go from:
11 AAU of 11, with the Big Ten + Chicago
12 AAU of 12, with Penn State joining
13 AAU of 13, with Nebraska joining
12 AAU of 13, with Nebraska losing AAU status
15 AAU of 16, with Maryland, Rutgers and John Hopkins joining
17 AAU of 18, when USC/UCLA join

That would "explain" the 17 AAU of 18 at the expense of now the "starting point" of 13 AAU out of 14 doesn't add up.

Far more natural for 13 AAU of 14 to refer to the full members of the conference, and 17 AA of 18 to be:
(1) an actual slip of the tongue, meaning to say 15 AAU out of 16
(2) accidentally repeating something that she had been saying "in the quiet rooms where decisions are made".

UChicago is no longer in the BTAA.

(09-02-2022 12:48 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 11:27 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 11:08 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 10:56 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 06:20 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Ohio St is probably looking at the scheduling implications of 18 members. Divisions are likely going by the wayside and with 16 you can do a 9 game conference schedule with the following format:

3-6/6 3 permanent rivals, everyone else gets played every other year

With 18 you need to add a 10th conference game to achieve the same thing or explore one of these formats:

1-8/8 —I don’t see this missing because Michigan and Michigan St are going to want to still be annual, Maryland and Rutgers are both going to want Penn St, and Iowa and Nebraska are going to want to play each other annually too.

5-4/4/4 —only seeing 12 of your conference mates once every 3 years is going to be rough. 5 permanent rivals probably keeps anything considered a rivalry game protected but that’s a long time to wait to see everyone else.

Yeah some scheduling formats even with 14 team leagues are stupid. A&M has played at UGA once since we joined the SEC, and we don't get them at home until 2024.

The ACC fixed there's and it actually makes a lot of sense and still gives them the 4-game OOC scheduling. If NBC gives Notre Dame the deal they want, no way they try to leave the ACC until the GOR is over.

https://theacc.com/news/2022/6/28/acc-an...23-26.aspx

"North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia"

We haven't brought this up much, but NC state is another "almost AAU" school like AZ state, Miami, etc.

So, these could potentially be four B10 invitees. Seemingly synergistic.

I think that the odds are very low that the B1G or SEC take 2 schools from the states of NC and VA. Not enough population, no really big brands other than UNC. Duke is an absolute no-go unless basketball valuations quadruple, maybe more, and UVA/VPI/NCState are marginal at best. Not impossible that B1G takes 1 each from VA and NC and the SEC also takes 1 each though, I think that would be ridiculously entertaining.

Duke is actually fairly high in revenue. Duke is the single biggest college basketball brand in America (even bigger than other blue bloods like Kansas, Indiana or UNC.) I remember Frank made some comment about how people in Europe who have never heard of Oklahoma or Texas football will have heard of Duke basketball.


As for NC State-I really don't understand why people mention them so often in SEC expansion. Their basketball program has been downright bad for about 30 years, and their football history is below average too. They also are the second lowest rated ACC school academically, ahead of only Louisville. Any conference would actually invite Duke long before they invited NC State.

(09-02-2022 08:26 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 06:32 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-02-2022 02:05 AM)Alanda Wrote:  Bad counting or Freudian Slip

Simple slip of the tongue or letting the cat out of the bag ... only time will tell which.

But if it's letting the cat out of the bag, accidentally repeating a line said behind closed doors which wasn't supposed to be made in public yet, it'd be pointing toward Washington / Oregon, since that's the pair where the OSU President would be arguing in terms of AAU status.

Most likely talking about the academic component of the conference which used to be called the CIC. Chicago (historic member) and John Hopkins (came when entered league with their only sport) are both in it.

Chicago is not a member of the CIC anymore. Notre Dame (hockey) is not AAU.

It was a slip. She said they were already 15 of 16 and USC/UCLA would make it 17/18.

One thing the Iowa AD does mention is that the travel costs to USC and UCLA are somewhat alleviated by the doubling up of travel. In other words, women's volleyball teams can make one plane trip where they visit both USC and UCLA.

That is one problem that Oregon and Washington could face, since you do have to hop on a plane to get from Eugene to Seattle. Well, either that, or you have to take a 4 hour 37 minute bus ride.

I guess that in theory this could also be an advantage for Stanford and Cal, but I just don't feel that those schools (especially Stanford) have enough of a fanbase to generate revenue for the Big 10. Plus, despite how people talk about the San Francisco-Oakland market for the BTN, that market's already being somewhat opened up by USC and UCLA.

(09-02-2022 08:19 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(09-01-2022 08:21 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 07:03 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Not sure I believe this, but hope true. As much as the realignment junkie in me, likes to see the next move, I don't actually like the idea of mega conferences and would take 16 over 20. I think 16 is as big as you can go and still feel kind of like it used to.

As for other reasons, Gene Smith did say he would prefer 8 conference games, but 9 was best for conference. Further expansion would likely push 10 conference games and,without Notre Dame, wouldn't involve more money.

Still not sold on anyone of it, but there is logic.

But 20 and 24 teams saves rivalry games, especially if you add more overall games to the season, remove nonsensical OOC games, and keep room for OOC rivalry games. 16 means USC will have to face it's main rival Northwestern too often.

I want it to feel like a conference. I would rather be playing everyone at least half the time (honestly more than that, but I guess Ill take half at this point).. You can preserve some extra rivalries in different setups, but we are going to be playing most traditional Big Ten teams less in almost any expasnion senario. I don't want to give up games with Wisconsin, Iowa, Purdue, etc for more west coast games.

With 18 teams, 3/6 model and no divisions, you will be playing the western teams exactly the same you do now, 6 of 14 years.

In the SEC now, they are playing their one opposite division rival every year and everyone else 2 times in 12 years.