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I will not give up my guns! They WILL have to take them from me. :mad: 03-puke :mad:
02-27-2003 10:16 AM
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Roll On Bro. Still!

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02-27-2003 02:36 PM
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Unfortunately most sheeple will willingly give them up with the promise of protection by big brother.

Things have yet to get anywhere near as bad as they will in the future. Our sociatal slide is just now getting into 2nd gear, and I believe it is equipted with a turbo charged V8 with a 5 speed!

When everyone is truly afraid to leave their homes because of potential violence, or fear you won't have a home to come home to, most people will give any and everything for a promise of protection.

Why do you think people of NYC or some of these other citys have gone along with it being illegal to own a hangun without a special permit. Stupidity yes, but more so fear! It seems they are more afraid of the govt. than the crook!
02-27-2003 02:47 PM
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georgew Wrote:Unfortunately most sheeple will willingly give them up with the promise of protection by big brother.
No Southerner that I know of would....
02-27-2003 07:13 PM
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You can take the boy out of Mississippi but you can't pry his gun out of his cold, dead hand. 04-cheers
02-27-2003 08:15 PM
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Rebel_Rx Wrote:
georgew Wrote:Unfortunately most sheeple will willingly give them up with the promise of protection by big brother.
No Southerner that I know of would....
Amen Rx! 04-cheers
02-27-2003 10:25 PM
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Sometimes, when I walk around America and I see figurines of policemen holding a drawn, cocked gun--with bullet casings scattered at his feet no less--and I read the tag which says "Men of Bravery" I wonder just where in the hell I am.

Is this really America? Land of freedom?

A land where it's okay to hate everybody? To blame the victims? To bang the drum of war constantly? To start a war where none exists? To bully other countries? To shift blame from our pitiful economy? And our dumb*** president?

I love y'all each and every one but you must know that I am opposed to ALL WARS and ALL FORMS of domination.

Outraged? That makes TWO of us! :eek:

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02-28-2003 08:50 AM
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I think a lot of the mess with IRAQ has to do with OIL. We should have taken care Saddam 12 years ago. Going after him full force at this point makes it seem all the more that it is about OIL.

I do think we need to pursue Osama Bin Laden until he is captured or killed - either way, justice will be served.

Bush is forced to clean up some of the mess that Clinton left undone.

Regardless of who is to blame, I have more faith and trust in Bush than I ever would Clinton. Bush tends to rush in without thinking and Clinton was a premeditating WEASEL.
02-28-2003 09:50 AM
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JBR, I'm glad you posted that! It's good to live in a country where you can and not be afraid you're going to get hunted down and punished for it.

I'm not for wars either, war is such a pitiful waste of human lives. One problem we must recognize is that without a leader, whether good or not, we would be wondering aimlessly. I'm afraid if it were Gore, it would be pointlessly.

The world unfortunately does not chant "can't we just all get along". The problem I see with Saddam is he should have been deposed long ago. Remember though, it was not the will of the UN to depose or kill him during the gulf war, just to get him to go back to Iraq.

As far as the economy, look back as the first signs of the slide, it was still under Clintons' watch, not Bushs'. If we scrapped all the Homeland Security and had no desire to pursue terrorist (talking war) our economy would be chipper. Then of course where would be the next plane crash or planted bomb that goes off put us?
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Saddam and OBL are both our little Frankensteins (as was Timothy McVeigh). If you live by the sword then you die by the sword. Not that they're justified in terrorizing innocent Americans but they're using the tactics they were taught by their former benefactor (the good ole U.S.A.) in order to advance their own twisted ideologies. Should Saddam be tried for his crimes against humanity? Certainly. So should OBL (if they ever get around to proving he was behind 9-11). But wasting an entire country in an effort to stamp out "evil" is an exercise in fruitlessness. Afghanistan is proof positive that razing an entire country doesn't automatically mean a W in the war column. Just ask Russia!

Besides that, Clinton was as ruthless as any American president ever has been. I'm certainly no fan of the Democratic party ("we're just like the Republicans! honest we are! just nicer!") but if you'd like to see a catalogue of his "belt notches" just peruse a copy of Howard Zinn's [I]A People's History of the United States[/I]. Clinton just had the luxury of actually focusing on a booming economy and thus did not need the distraction that a jingoistic campaign would provide.

Just my two cents! Does anybody want to talk about football now? :wave:
02-28-2003 10:53 AM
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Man would I ever!!!! I can't wait for fball to start again! That's the only sport I really get into other than golf, and golf only when I'm playing! 03-lol 03-lol Laughter because when I'm getting ready to tee off and someone is watching, I always seem to end up in the rough, trees, pond or maybe just beyond the ladies tee box. 03-lol 03-lol
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In an ideal world, I wouldn't be for war either. However, there are people in this world who think it's honorable to go down in a plane killing thousands. There are people who think it is honorable to blow up a building killing everyone in it. And, I just can't ignore that. War, in my opinion, should always be the last route. But it should be an option. Losing lives is never easy...but it seems so much more devastating in situations such as 9/11 when thousands of people are killed...as they just go about their daily business working an office job....or kids are at day care one minute and dead the next. Things like that can't be left to slide, and unfortunately, fighting is often the most effective method of retaliation.
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Rebel_Rx Wrote:Losing lives is never easy...
You're right, if we are going to lose any American lives (and God, I hope we don't), then I'd rather it be someone willing to die fighting for our freedom and our country on their own terms, not dying at the hands of some damned cowards in a sleezy terrorist act when they are basically asleep and defenseless.
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Well, JBR, so long as homo sapiens inhabits this world, there will be war and rumor of war. To attempt to avoid it generally results in catastrophic consequences. I am myself getting very tired of waiting for this one to begin, because I need it to end soon too. The ecomony is all a tither awaiting this thing.

While we are at it, I think we should take the North Koreans out,and maybe Mugabe and and Khaddafi as well. I know, its a little ham-fisted, but if there is going to be order in this world, it is evident that we are going to have to be the ones to impose it. And order for human beings is always imposed, our race being fundamentally incapable as a race to understand anything but the lash.

As for our good friends in Europe, I would turn our backs upon Germany and France, reward the United Kingdom, Spain and those of Eastern Europe that have assisted us. The game is played the way it has always been played: You reward your friends, punish your enemies. To think otherwise is hopelessly naive.

I could care less what motivated the attacks on New York and Washington. I could care less whether we propped up Bagdad when Iraq and Iran were bleeding each other dry. For me the only thing in the world that counts is our own interests. You can be sure that when some pathetic, pigstye of a country starts rambling about our "debts" to the world, you are seeing just a grab for money and position. You Democrats fall for it everytime, as that fool Jimmy Carter did with respect to the Panama Canal. You can be sure when some elderly European begins to natter on about these things, he is only mourning the loss of European vitality.

If we keep fooling with that den of knaves, madmen, dreamers and idiots at the UN, be assured the world, lacking an effective leader,will fall into even worse things than we have seen thusfar.

Quit having such a good opinion of human nature. Its not noble at all, just needy and greedy. Treat it for what it is and we will seldom be in the wrong.
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I don't think we have to send all those troops.......I don't think we have to turn Iraq into a parking lot. We send some special forces, green beret, Navy Seals, snipers, whom ever we need or what group we need to put an end to OBL and Saddam. Hell, send Earnest T. Bass if he can do the job. Cease their miserable lives and let's get ready for some football.
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