Article on SicEm365 has a lot on it.

https://sicem365.com/s/13021/how-do-the-...n-viewers/

Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

It also doesn't hurt to have legit brands like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska as lead dogs.

(08-22-2022 12:21 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

It also doesn't hurt to have legit brands like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska as lead dogs.

No doubt. Not to pick on them but picture Indiana---every year you get to play in your division Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State. When you throw in the rivalry game with Purdue, five of your games at the minimum are must-see-tv. Now compare BC, a school of similar pedigree in the ACC. Their divisional games with nationally strong viewership is FSU, Clemson and then NC State. Cross division maybe Miami. That's a big difference between the two.

(08-22-2022 12:49 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:21 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

It also doesn't hurt to have legit brands like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska as lead dogs.

No doubt. Not to pick on them but picture Indiana---every year you get to play in your division Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State. When you throw in the rivalry game with Purdue, five of your games at the minimum are must-see-tv. Now compare BC, a school of similar pedigree in the ACC. Their divisional games with nationally strong viewership is FSU, Clemson and then NC State. Cross division maybe Miami. That's a big difference between the two.

Stanford benefits from similar.

Notre Dame
Oregon
USC
UCLA

EVERY YEAR.

Then a rival game vs Cal, division vs UW, and possible big noncon and they'll end up with solid numbers even if their actual draw is shaky.

Navy, the SEC west not named Bama, Auburn, or LSU, and the Big Ten East not named Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State benefit from this a lot.

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

So do you see why I'd rather have a school like Berkeley in the Big Ten over a school like Stanford? Which school will have closer to 700k living alumni?

If G5 schools were in P5 conferences? Their ratings will be higher. P5 schools do schedule Boise State. WHY? They are respectable G5 school to beat or lose to for playoffs purposes. Texas losing to Texas State would be bad news forTexas.

(08-22-2022 04:11 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

So do you see why I'd rather have a school like Berkeley in the Big Ten over a school like Stanford? Which school will have closer to 700k living alumni?

I’m not one of the ones on the board who disagrees with you on this. It’s pretty clear right now with a few exceptions, that small private schools are disadvantaged in terms of the number of eyeballs it brings to the table versus large state universities. It’s just a numbers game.

(08-22-2022 10:59 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Article on SicEm365 has a lot on it.

https://sicem365.com/s/13021/how-do-the-...n-viewers/

Where?
I want to see the individual listing of each University in The ACC, The PAC and The Big 12.

I see comments about The ACC being top heavy. Yet I see nothing to confirm that.

(08-22-2022 05:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 10:59 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Article on SicEm365 has a lot on it.

https://sicem365.com/s/13021/how-do-the-...n-viewers/

Where?
I want to see the individual listing of each University in The ACC, The PAC and The Big 12.

I see comments about The ACC being top heavy. Yet I see nothing to confirm that.

thanks - I thought I was missing something as well.

(08-22-2022 05:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 10:59 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Article on SicEm365 has a lot on it.

https://sicem365.com/s/13021/how-do-the-...n-viewers/

Where?
I want to see the individual listing of each University in The ACC, The PAC and The Big 12.

I see comments about The ACC being top heavy. Yet I see nothing to confirm that.

It's not obvious, but these charts show it:




The first one shows the current ACC performs better than the PAC10 or the Big 12 (new alignments).

The second one shows what happens when you removed Clemson and FSU (just above the AAC), and then also Miami (just below of the AAC). I think those AAC numbers are prior to realignment as opposed to after it though.

So it means it's very top heavy, because they're averages and not raw numbers.


But yeah, it doesn't give you access to the individual schools here.

(08-22-2022 06:28 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 05:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 10:59 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Article on SicEm365 has a lot on it.

https://sicem365.com/s/13021/how-do-the-...n-viewers/

Where?
I want to see the individual listing of each University in The ACC, The PAC and The Big 12.

I see comments about The ACC being top heavy. Yet I see nothing to confirm that.

It's not obvious, but these charts show it:




The first one shows the current ACC performs better than the PAC10 or the Big 12 (new alignments).

The second one shows what happens when you removed Clemson and FSU (just above the AAC), and then also Miami (just below of the AAC). I think those AAC numbers are prior to realignment as opposed to after it though.

So it means it's very top heavy, because they're averages and not raw numbers.


But yeah, it doesn't give you access to the individual schools here.

He mentions he will do that in a later article.

Thanks for the replies Guys…
I thought I was losing it for a moment

I will be interested in seeing his data on individual schools

(08-22-2022 01:02 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:49 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:21 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

It also doesn't hurt to have legit brands like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska as lead dogs.

No doubt. Not to pick on them but picture Indiana---every year you get to play in your division Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State. When you throw in the rivalry game with Purdue, five of your games at the minimum are must-see-tv. Now compare BC, a school of similar pedigree in the ACC. Their divisional games with nationally strong viewership is FSU, Clemson and then NC State. Cross division maybe Miami. That's a big difference between the two.

Stanford benefits from similar.

Notre Dame
Oregon
USC
UCLA

EVERY YEAR.

Then a rival game vs Cal, division vs UW, and possible big noncon and they'll end up with solid numbers even if their actual draw is shaky.

Navy, the SEC west not named Bama, Auburn, or LSU, and the Big Ten East not named Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State benefit from this a lot.

Interesting that you left out anybody from the SEC West. One of the teams you left out, A&M, averaged 98,407 people at home games last year, a whopping 313 behind bama for first in the SEC. In a season when the only 2 ranked teams A&M had at home were bama and auburn, and also played Kent State, New Mexico and Prairie View (average attendance for those 3 juggernauts: 99,123). That's not fluff, either, I was at the Kent State game and saw almost no empty seats.

It helps playing big brand teams, but that's not the only thing that matters.

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:08 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Shocked at how top heavy the ACC was and how the B1G showed up in 2021.

The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

If Cuse was 12-0 and getting great time slots they would track much better. Syracuse has a large fan base but it is shallow right now due to 20 years of mostly subpar Football.

Look at Hoops....they led the nation in attendance despite a losing record.

(08-22-2022 06:28 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 05:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 10:59 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Article on SicEm365 has a lot on it.

https://sicem365.com/s/13021/how-do-the-...n-viewers/

Where?
I want to see the individual listing of each University in The ACC, The PAC and The Big 12.

I see comments about The ACC being top heavy. Yet I see nothing to confirm that.

It's not obvious, but these charts show it:




The first one shows the current ACC performs better than the PAC10 or the Big 12 (new alignments).

The second one shows what happens when you removed Clemson and FSU (just above the AAC), and then also Miami (just below of the AAC). I think those AAC numbers are prior to realignment as opposed to after it though.

So it means it's very top heavy, because they're averages and not raw numbers.


But yeah, it doesn't give you access to the individual schools here.

I read that to mean that the SEC and B1G are just as top heavy as the ACC, if not more so. The drop from 1-2-3 in all 3 of those conferences is pretty significant though.

(08-22-2022 07:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 06:28 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 05:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 10:59 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Article on SicEm365 has a lot on it.

https://sicem365.com/s/13021/how-do-the-...n-viewers/

Where?
I want to see the individual listing of each University in The ACC, The PAC and The Big 12.

I see comments about The ACC being top heavy. Yet I see nothing to confirm that.

It's not obvious, but these charts show it:




The first one shows the current ACC performs better than the PAC10 or the Big 12 (new alignments).

The second one shows what happens when you removed Clemson and FSU (just above the AAC), and then also Miami (just below of the AAC). I think those AAC numbers are prior to realignment as opposed to after it though.

So it means it's very top heavy, because they're averages and not raw numbers.


But yeah, it doesn't give you access to the individual schools here.

I read that to mean that the SEC and B1G are just as top heavy as the ACC, if not more so. The drop from 1-2-3 in all 3 of those conferences is pretty significant though.

Those are the top games, not the top teams. The only place they really show it is when he pulls Texas/OU, UCLA/USC and FSU/Clemson, FSU/Clemson/Miami out of the conference numbers.

The reason he is showing the top games to to demonstrate why you have to compare similar numbers of games. If you have one conference with a much larger number of games, its average will be lower than a similar conference with fewer games, because the first conference is being rated more on its bottom games. For the other conference, those games might be buried on the BTN/ACCN/PTN and not rated.

(08-22-2022 07:01 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 01:02 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:49 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:21 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-22-2022 12:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The top-heaviness of the ACC was not much of a surprise to me. Really smacks that bs study that has been circulating that Syracuse has the 16tg largest fan base in the country.

As to the B10 viewership, I think people outside the region fail to understand how many students and alumni are cranked out at all these schools. Even middling football schools like Indiana and Purdue have like 700k living alumni each. Unlike the northeast and the west coast, people in the Midwest watch a lot of college football. Even if people from the Midwest may leave the area to live elsewhere, they still follow their alma mater and/or Big State U. That will equate to a lot of viewers.

It also doesn't hurt to have legit brands like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska as lead dogs.

No doubt. Not to pick on them but picture Indiana---every year you get to play in your division Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State. When you throw in the rivalry game with Purdue, five of your games at the minimum are must-see-tv. Now compare BC, a school of similar pedigree in the ACC. Their divisional games with nationally strong viewership is FSU, Clemson and then NC State. Cross division maybe Miami. That's a big difference between the two.

Stanford benefits from similar.

Notre Dame
Oregon
USC
UCLA

EVERY YEAR.

Then a rival game vs Cal, division vs UW, and possible big noncon and they'll end up with solid numbers even if their actual draw is shaky.

Navy, the SEC west not named Bama, Auburn, or LSU, and the Big Ten East not named Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State benefit from this a lot.

Interesting that you left out anybody from the SEC West. One of the teams you left out, A&M, averaged 98,407 people at home games last year, a whopping 313 behind bama for first in the SEC. In a season when the only 2 ranked teams A&M had at home were bama and auburn, and also played Kent State, New Mexico and Prairie View (average attendance for those 3 juggernauts: 99,123). That's not fluff, either, I was at the Kent State game and saw almost no empty seats.

It helps playing big brand teams, but that's not the only thing that matters.

The following are all true at the same time

1- Attendance isn't tv viewership.
2- A&M has ALWAYS had great attendance. Tons of students and local alumni plus a giant alumni base just an hour away in Houston make the logistics for it a breeze.
3- A&M does well in TV ratings even without the three teams I listed.
4- A&M absolutely gets a spike above #3's value because of those three games.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out that almost anyone playing Bama, LSU, and Auburn is going to average much more than otherwise not doing so.